Having watched tons of Clippers games last season I can say that Collison is a very quick defender with pesky hands, plays the passing lanes well and pressures the opposing PG's(this is as a backup not starter minutes). His first instinct is to get in the lane, and he has improved his jumper over the years to the point where he can be a streaky shooter(especially from the corners). Thing is with the Clippers he was rarely asked to be a traditional PG, basically took over the role Eric Bledsoe left, (play next to Chris Paul, be agressive defensively, attack the rim, push the pace off of defensive stops, spot shooting). I like Collison in that role, the question is if he is capable of going from that to a full time starter and the responsibilities that come with being a starting PG. Playing behind/along with the best PG in the league certainly bodes well, seems like a player on a gradual ascension and we are getting him in his prime.
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I dont mind the signing though price is a little steep. Would have preferred to go with steve blake (better shooting and play making at 1/2 the price) who would have been a good veteran fpr leadership and a mentor to McCallum.
We can still get a defensive big fpr cheap too. Kaman, okafur, nazr Mohammad all could probably be had for ~2million or less and would be able to provide decent rim protection /backup for cousins for 15 mpg
We can still get a defensive big fpr cheap too. Kaman, okafur, nazr Mohammad all could probably be had for ~2million or less and would be able to provide decent rim protection /backup for cousins for 15 mpg
Maybe we bring in another guard....maybe not. What is clear to me is this is Cuz and Gay's team. And I believe the FO knows this and IT flat out wants to be THE guy......not going to happen. If we go into the season with a Collison and McCallum as the PG's, I'm completely ok with that right now. We have arguably he bet center in the league, we added an upper tier SF and with IT, we still can't win more than 28 games? Not putting all blame on IT, I understand the SG play was not good, and our PF play was ok at best, but IT is not irreplaceable. Cuz is irreplaceable. If Stauskas and Ben can play to potential....ssssooooo key......and if Collison and McCallum can be steady facilitators, we will win more games. With this signing, it's going to be nice not seeing other teams backcourts go off for career games most nights.
SOLD!
Except for the "on court real time decisions don't come naturally to him" part, which may or may not be true, if you'd asked me to describe my ideal point guard to play with DeMarcus Cousins, that's practically what I would have said, verbatim.
Also, I may be misunderstanding something about the ability to sign and trade Thomas: why are people saying that we've lost the leverage in dealing with him, since signing Collison? Don't we still have his Bird rights? Can't we go over the cap to re-sign him, if we're so inclined? How do we lose any leverage where he is concerned at all? Now, what Ranadive is or is not willing to do is a separate conversation but, unless I'm mistaken, Thomas is a restricted free agent whose Bird rights we own. As near as I can tell, we have all the leverage.
Except for the "on court real time decisions don't come naturally to him" part, which may or may not be true, if you'd asked me to describe my ideal point guard to play with DeMarcus Cousins, that's practically what I would have said, verbatim.
Also, I may be misunderstanding something about the ability to sign and trade Thomas: why are people saying that we've lost the leverage in dealing with him, since signing Collison? Don't we still have his Bird rights? Can't we go over the cap to re-sign him, if we're so inclined? How do we lose any leverage where he is concerned at all? Now, what Ranadive is or is not willing to do is a separate conversation but, unless I'm mistaken, Thomas is a restricted free agent whose Bird rights we own. As near as I can tell, we have all the leverage.
If the Kings will stick with the old school big man basketball, then this is a logical signing at a right price, IMO.
I think in Malone's system, the PG role is mostly to defend the opposing PG and on offenses bring the ball up and hand it over to our big man (either Gay or DMC) to start most of our play.
In that scenario, Collison will be sufficient because he won't take shots away from our main guns, he'll keep the opposing PG in check (like what George Hill does for Indiana), and keep defense honest by being a potent scorer on the wing once DMC gets doubled.
I think in Malone's system, the PG role is mostly to defend the opposing PG and on offenses bring the ball up and hand it over to our big man (either Gay or DMC) to start most of our play.
In that scenario, Collison will be sufficient because he won't take shots away from our main guns, he'll keep the opposing PG in check (like what George Hill does for Indiana), and keep defense honest by being a potent scorer on the wing once DMC gets doubled.
No chance; regardless of whether either guy ends the 2014-15 season on the Kings, or even starts the 2014-15 season on the Kings, they both have too many years left to be waived. You don't waive a guy who still has three years of guaranteed money. Waiving doesn't work like amnesty: Ranadive would still be on the hook for that $19M, if he waived either guy... Well, since only $2.6M of Thompson's contract is guaranteed for 2016-17, I guess he'd only be on the hook for about $15M if he waived Thompson, but still... why would he do that?
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While I don't mind Collison he has not really earnt a 3 year 16million dollar deal , he was terrible in Dallas and was just OK in LA, it all honesty we overpaid for another average player which is basically when the last management did at least this one kind of fills a role. But reality is Collison is one of the worst starting PG's in the NBA BUT he's a decent fit he can be our Patrick Bevelery which is a good but again OVERPAID.
He got Livingston money who is a far better/more versitile player. I will be rooting for him and I hope he EARNS the money we have given him, his defensive effort if you go by history should never be a issue he can be a bit bone headed but.
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He got Livingston money who is a far better/more versitile player. I will be rooting for him and I hope he EARNS the money we have given him, his defensive effort if you go by history should never be a issue he can be a bit bone headed but.
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Yes!! I really like all of this
Are we done? I'd hope not, and I don't think we are, because there are many other needs. But this is a step in the right direction. We can't claim anyone is "sitting on their hands", and we can't say they signed some old journeyman (knock on wood) or another undersized PF
Are we done? I'd hope not, and I don't think we are, because there are many other needs. But this is a step in the right direction. We can't claim anyone is "sitting on their hands", and we can't say they signed some old journeyman (knock on wood) or another undersized PF
They wouldn't just be waiving them, they'd be using the "stretch provision":
Individually negotiated revisions to the payment schedule are not allowed for contracts signed or extended under the current CBA2. For these contracts or extensions the remaining guaranteed salary for a waived player is "stretched" and paid in equal amounts over a greater time span, as follows:
- If the player is waived from July 1 to August 31, then his remaining salary is paid over twice the number of years remaining on his contract, plus one. For example, if the player is waived on August 1 with two seasons remaining on his contract at $10.2 million and $10.3 million, respectively, then his remaining salary is paid over five years (two seasons times two, plus one), in even amounts of $4.1 million per year.
Unlikely either JT or Landry is going to be traded any time soon. This way they get out from the pressure of the luxury tax while holding onto the valuable trade asset that is Jason Terrys expiring contract. This team has very few assets left and it would be unwise to waste his deal on a stretch provision. Same with Outlaw, they'd be better off getting a team to take his deal off their hands for cash and a 2nd like the Kings used to do for other teams under the Maloofs.
The end result of stretching JT would be a cap hit of 2.8 million (if you have to fully guarantee that last year) over the next century.
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Terry is most likely done. The myth about expiring contracts and their value is that most simply expire (disclaimer: If a deal is to be done, they CAN be the most important piece and hence their value). Thompson is still a serviceable big and a cap hit is a cap hit, especially one that goes 'over the next century.' Good luck in getting his replacement for $2.8 million.
It may net us freedom to breath offensively. Last year we were choking on the trio's usage percentages and lack of ball movement. Two of them are back for sure and set to be featured.
The big thing is that IT and Collison can NOT work as a starter/backup duo because of size (not to mention mentality). You know when the Kings lost Isaiah Thomas? It was that moment a year ago when they lost Tyreke Evans. Reke was that player who made many things possible with IT. IT could play behind him, but also next to him. So even if he was a reserve, he could get major minutes. That's not possible with Collison. You basically can't go any minutes at all with Isaiah Thomas at 5'9" 185 and Darren Collison, listed at 6'0" 160? You can't ever have a duo that tiny out there together. So at that point you've only got 48 min to share between them, and having them split $13 mil of salary is exorbitant and wasteful.
The big thing is that IT and Collison can NOT work as a starter/backup duo because of size (not to mention mentality). You know when the Kings lost Isaiah Thomas? It was that moment a year ago when they lost Tyreke Evans. Reke was that player who made many things possible with IT. IT could play behind him, but also next to him. So even if he was a reserve, he could get major minutes. That's not possible with Collison. You basically can't go any minutes at all with Isaiah Thomas at 5'9" 185 and Darren Collison, listed at 6'0" 160? You can't ever have a duo that tiny out there together. So at that point you've only got 48 min to share between them, and having them split $13 mil of salary is exorbitant and wasteful.
If IT was offered 8 mil per season for 3 seasons guaranteed he should have taken it. IMO his agent is playing IT a little too hard to get. He is a very talented scoring guard and should get a nice payday. But 8 per is a stretch.
I don't think the Kings will exceed their rumored offer of 6 million a year for IT.
In fact Collison was just signed for less. Collison's game improved in LA while practicing against Chris Paul and being coached Doc Rivers. His weight is also listed now at 175. So I suspect he has put on a little muscle.
I don't think the Kings will exceed their rumored offer of 6 million a year for IT.
In fact Collison was just signed for less. Collison's game improved in LA while practicing against Chris Paul and being coached Doc Rivers. His weight is also listed now at 175. So I suspect he has put on a little muscle.