[Grades] Grades v. Bulls 3/15/2014

A confusing question for a Kings fan: which King played the best defense tonight?

  • Gay

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • Evans

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • Cousins

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • McLemore

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • Thomas

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • Thompson

    Votes: 8 53.3%
  • Williams

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • McCallum

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Acy

    Votes: 1 6.7%

  • Total voters
    15
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
Ok, well, this is one of those where its too bad people are drifting away. The last game out, a "win", was pretty terrible basketball. This game, a loss, was really quite well played. It was the sort of tough hard fought defensive battle that you hope the Kings will be playing a lot more of in future years, because its what the playoffs look like. And if we are not ready to win these yet, we competed and played hard throughout, on both ends. It was good game to watch.

Cuz played big, but had all he could handle with Noah playing out of his mind. IT scored more through persistence than brilliance, but did rack up numbers. Reggie Evans (back in the starting lineup) gave us some board hustle and neutralized Boozer, but JT might have been more impressive with his defensive hustle off the bench. Ben had some more moments where he made professional looking moves, but my lord, he cannot shoot and it was just a killer as the Bulls doubled Cuz and time and again Ben was the outlet guy and just... cannot shoot. 0-7 tonight, and he's shooting .314 from 3pt land now. Tyreke last year shot .338 from out there. Most of all though, we brought effort on defense and the glass, where we dominated. Its just the details which we do not have and will not have until next year. Too few assists, a few loose turnovers, missed FTs etc. But it was a good tight game worthy of a watch.

We are going Consortiumless tonight. And we'll do a quick theme given the game tomorrow. My mom sent me some spectacular weather photos a couple of days ago, that'll do. So theme = Weather.

P.S. And no, Jimmer did not get to play.

Boxscore

Stats: 31min 13pts (5-12, 0-1, 3-4) 5reb 3ast 1stl 2blk 1TO
Gay ( C ) -- in the first half, might have been the best of the big three, but was boxed up and put away by the Bulls after half. what he did do on the night was often brilliant. But he just did not do enough. Made a brilliant early alley oop pass to McLemore in the first few minutes, and his first scpre was a nice slice to the hoop off a good Cousins pass out of a double. Got into a little rhythm after returning in the 2nd. Made a nice save of a loose ball which he turned into a bucket with a spinning pullup, and that got him into a little rhythm as our most consistent first half offensive weapon. After a pretty drive to tie the game back up at 52 in the third, got very quiet. Was repeatedly late feeding Demacus in the post, and I couldn't even see what he was looking at. Didn't seem to be trying to get his own, just would enter the pass 2 seconds too late each time letting the defense recover. Did not score again until the 4:40 mark, when, following a great block from behind on Butler to save a hoop, Rudy came down the other way and after two selfish looking takes finally got to the line, where he split a pair. And that was it. Was involved in a near turnover on an out of bounds pay, that was not. Passed the ball to an 0-6 McLemore for yet another three attempt with 24 seconds to go that moved the need to 0-7 and finished us. But was not clear if that was what we drew up and that was on Malone throwing more bad money after the bad money we had already thrown after the good money with Ben, or whether it was Rudy not being aware of who was hot. In any case, not terrible, but 13pts 5reb was not enough, and in the second half it was 3pts.

Lightning Over the Grand Canyon -- I would have thought that was a painting, instead its a pretty amazing photograph from last August.

Stats: 24min 5pts (2-4, 0-0, 1-2) 8reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Evans ( B- ) -- in trying to figure out where this grade fell I have eventually settled on this: he did his job out there. He wasn't brilliant, but he did what it is that he is supposed to do, and notably his counterpart, who sometimes is and sometimes isn't a major factor for the Bulls, wasn't. In the early going actually was not as much on the boards as you would have thought. Mostly just mixing it up with Boozer, and even got a technical for some sort of in your face scream at him after a hoop (Boozer has been known to chatter to go along with his elbows). And that was kind of the early contribution -- with Cuz drawing attention, Reggie slipped in there for a few hoops, and Boozer never got going. Began to get some of those hustle offensive boards against Gibson late in the half, and kept the rebounding going into the third, when he and Cuz were actually fighting over them in there. But he was also getting beat on defense a few times in there, and once JT returned and brought some major defensive hustle, that was it for Reggie's night. 8rebs in 24min is strong work for most guys, for Reggie its almost just average. A solid game and a contributor, but not a major impact game this time.

Supercell in Texas -- from last June. Something bad could happen there.

Stats: 38min 25pts (10-21, 0-0, 5-7) 14reb 2ast 4stl 1blk 5TO
Cousins ( B+ ) -- well this was certainly the highlight matchup of the game, and it didn't disappoint. I thought Cousins had good energy from the start of this one, and while he wasn't in A+ mode, he was all set up to have a strong start...but Joakim Noah has just been going nuts and flat took it from him early. Wasn't that Cuz was bad. Was that Noah's been on some sort of high now for a month, and he came out in this one the same way and just hit everything early, was there on every challenge. Aside from several more bad pass turnovers, including an egregious overpassing one where he tried to do something for IT that IT might not for him and slip the ball to Isaiah for the layup on the break, only to get the pay broken up, most of what Boogie was trying to do was right. Give Noah that fugly jumper. Oh, oops. Ok, close on him. Oh, oops. Hammer inside, oh oops. Cuz was playing well, and he's the best center in the game, but tonight Noah started off playing better. He held his temper though, and he came out in the second half and turned the matchup, scored 7 quick points inside and out to begin the half and draw us back even, and we were in the game the entire rest of the way. Tied up Noah for a jumpball, won the tip. Was doing a good job of reading the Bulls doubles and hitting open guys...unfortunately too often that open guy was Ben, and you might as well just throw the ball out of bounds at that point. Yeah, he got two assists, but he could have had about 8. Another thing he started doing a real nice job of was freeing IT up top with screens. I would bet at least half of IT's jumpers came directly off of him getting open behind Cuz screens up top. Came up big down the stretch too, really on the boards, and scoring inside, even through saavy Chicago doubles (Noah would shade his left shoulder, Gibson would run over to take away that dropstep baseline). But Noah, with some B.S. help from the refs on some flat bad and VERY late calls, answered back, and good as Cuz was after half, in the end Noah probably still won the matchup. But it was a heavyweight duel worthy of the name. I'm not going to blame Cuz for getting narrowly outpointed by the hottest center in the league while putting up 25pts 14reb, just not. On the other hand its hard to call it an A when your opponent nearly puts up a monster triple double of his own. So B+. As an aside, a grade and game that once again shows the gulf between Cuz and just normal humans. 25 and 14 is a career night for half the NBA. A season highlight for most of the rest. For Cuz, "good game". Against the withering Chicago defensive pressure, you could see he was the guy with the talent to shrug it off.

Waterspouts in Lake Michigan -- off the coast of Wisconsin in September.

Stats: 36min 6pts (3-12, 0-7, 0-0) 6reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 2TO
McLemore ( D ) -- to grade Ben McLemore is to feel like you are beating up on Ben McLemore, but then again he's been beating up on us all season so turnabout is fair play. Fortunately in this one there were a few good things, mostly early, to provide some sort of offset. Missed his first jumper, wide open (which would be a recurring theme), but ran the court and took an alley oop pass from Gay in the open court for a quick slick slam. And later in the quarter finally made a good play on the break, looking off his defender faking it to Cuz, then calmly pulling up and hitting a little jumper. Was a perfectly professional looking move, something that you can rarely say about his open court adventures this year. And made a great play to close the first half, coming across the top of the key to get a blindside steal on Butler, then racing out the other way for a dunk to close the gap back to 5 as we went to intermission. So there were some things. 3 or 4 professional basketball player moves that should be just a given for a lottery pick, but for Ben are marked steps forward. Unfortunately... Austin Rivers drew a lot of negative attention as a flat out megabust last year when he shot .372 from the field and .324 from the 3pt line. Ben is now shooting .367 from the field and .314 from the 3pt line. Which is my way of introducing: he can't shoot. And from the 3rd quarter on that became the dominant theme here. He can't shoot. Cuz was doing a much better job of reading the doubles and kicking the ball out to Ben, who shockingly enough the Bulls often left open, and...can we have Tyreke back as a shooter? How about Salmons? Clank, clank, clank. Open, challenged, did not matter. Thought he was going to make one more nice play at the 5 minute mark when he made a good move along the baseline and was going to swoop in...unfortunately that good move along the baseline included stepping over that baseline, which unfortunately has been deemed illegal. Recent rule change, no more than a century old. Missed ANOTHER wide open three from Cuz kicking the ball out of a double at the 4:00 mark. And then in something I did not understand...we came out of a timeout at the 24 second mark down 4 and Rudy kicked the ball to Ben like it was planned? That was the play we drew up? Give it to the guy who was 0-6 from 3pt land to shoot a three to keep us in it? If that was mind games by Malone it did not work. Maybe it was still cover their asses games by the front office. In which case it also didn't work. On the other hand if it was tanking games by the front office it was brilliant. Anyway, what the hell. Very much over this whole experiment, but know we won't be as a team for another 16 games. So...you soldier on. At least apart from being the worst "shooter" to ever be compared to Ray Allen, Ben has been, and continued today to flash a few more mature basketball plays. And notably his defense was not notable. For much of the season I have considered him quite possibly the very worst defender in the entire NBA. But tonight we played tough on defense, and Ben wasn't badly taken advantage of. So steps I guess.

Roll Cloud, Racine Wisconsin --this is called a roll cloud. intimidating no? Wisconsin gets all the fun weather.

Stats: 42min 26pts (7-18, 2-5, 10-13) 3reb 5ast 0stl 0blk 4TO
Thomas ( B- ) -- game followed a familiar pattern of late. Hit his first jumper on the catch and shoot from Cuz, but there was a lot of physical bumping and mishandles taking place, and IT simply was not able to create for teammates against the tough defense. Seemed to be guessing wrong on defense vs. Hinrich as well, and while the defense was not lackadaisical, it seemed mistake prone. Shading a guy left as he went right. Going under a screen on Augustin and watching him hit a three etc. Got to the foul line a few times so that he had a decent 8pts in the half, but it was just very drab once more. And then things turned a bit after half, and that's where the familiar pattern kicked in. Because what it has been feeling like for some time is this: early on IT tried to play the game like a PG. But its not him. It goes against his instincts, and frankly as a PG he is very mediocre and just doesn't get anything accomplished. Then after half he started to say screw it and play like IT. And ironically even with the gunning that implies, he actually became more effective as a passer too as he quit deferring or worrying about sharing the ball and just started attacking. I think it was a major factor in Rudy's disappearance after half, but IT started working with Cuz, starting the 3rd setting him up with a little dropoff pass for a jumper for just IT's second assist of the game, and starting to work off of big Cuz picks up top to get open for his own jumpers. The game remained physical, and IT began to let's say not fight as hard to avoid hitting the floor, and eventually it led to major foul trouble for the Bulls PGs , which not only let IT begin to score from the line, but further freed him up for shots. There was one bad gunner shot when Hinrich had to leave the game and IT greeted Augustin with an immediate keepaway 1 on 1 hero three point attempt, but really most of what he was doing was taking kicks from Cuz for open threes, working around those Cuz screens up top to find little holes in the Chicago defense to get off his jumpers, etc. When Cuz left he worked well with Acy for a few minutes in the early 4th and set him up at the rim, but made a bad mistake fouling Augustin on a 3pt attempt in the corner. A mistake he would make up for by doing the same thing to Augustin on the other end, leading to IT retying the game at the line. Just flat turned the ball over up top at the 5:30 mark, triggering the Bulls out on the break and putting us back down, and he just never was that hto,a dn sat at 5-15 from the field heading into the stretch run. But down the stretch hit a big three with 1:30 to go to cut the lead back to 3, and at the 30 second mark hit another little jumper working around a Cuz screen to get the lead back to 5. Head scratching moment of the night came a few seconds later, as with us down 3, the Bulls with the ball, and more than 24 seconds on the clock (there were 30 in fact) -- a situation clearly calling for us just to hustle on back, set up the D, try to get a stop, and try to tie the game to send it to OT -- IT instead runs over and intentionally fouls Kurt Hinrich and sen s him to the line to make it a 2 possession game again. The post game presser reveals that wasn't what Malone wanted, and it was the sort of late game brainfart that just kills this team, and has for about 8 years now. Just amazing. Anyway, we went on to lose again, but other than Big Cuz's battle with Noah, and the hustle and defense we got from the PFs, ITs scoring half, his reverting to being IT again, was the third biggest thing keeping us in this.

Blizzard Aftermath, Connecticut -- aftermath of a blizzard in a car dealership in Connecticut, from last winter, although it certainly could have been from this one.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Bench

Stats: 23min 5pts (2-8, 0-0, 1-4) 8reb 0ast 0stl 2blk 1TO
Thompson ( B ) -- impressive hustle and aggression in this one that unfortunately was not paired with efficiency. Into the game in and quickly missed a follow., and his offensive aggression continued throughout the first half. Unfortunately was not able to catch or finish cleanly, and at one point Cuz got frustrated with him after he blew about the third attempted assist from the big guy by getting blocked from behind. Returned to the game in the late 3rd and played strong defense forcing Boozer into a turnover. Then drew the offensive charge on Gibson when he got popped in the chops. The offense still would not come around as he started 4th missing a pair of FTs, but the defense was a major factor by that point, and he came up with one of the more impressive looking blocks of his career getting up for a fierce swat of a Gibson attempt inside. Hit a jumper falling away to retie us at the 8:10 mark, and his hustle play on the boards was impressive as Malone stayed with him rather than Reggie (both guys put up 5pts 8rebs in about 24 min, so 10 and 16 combined for the position). Unfortunately closed this one with a downtick, as down the stretch he was late challenging a Gibson baseline jumper that put the Bulls back up 5 with 45 seconds to go. Defensive and boarding hustle here held back gradewise by the 2-8 and 1-4 offensive inefficiency. Still likely the energy Malone was hoping to get from him as a response to being benched for..just whoever on any given night.

Grand Canyon fog -- back to the Grand Canyon where a rare event took place on Black Friday this year, and the canyon filled up with a thick fogbank. Apparently a special event that only happens once every few years, although if I am a tourist and I came there to see a giant hole in the ground, be a bit of a mixed blessing perhaps to not be able to see the bottom.

Stats: 18min 3pts (1-3, 0-0, 1-3) 5reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Williams ( C ) -- the biggest impression DWill left in this one was of a guy racing out trying to force transition opportunities before the Bulls defense could get back and get set. Unfortunately it was often a solo 1 on the Bulls team sort of effort that had you covering your eyes. Got to the line once with the tactic in the early second. Later took advantage of a rare open lane to run in for a baseline dunk. But that was it for the positive stuff, at least on offense. Gave us a legit effort on the boards, including saving us in the early 4th by snagging the o-reb after JT bricked a pair of FTs. Was late once on a closeout on a Dunleavy three...and MAY have been responsible for a couple of other open looks out there where I could not tell who was supposed to have the man, but did not look lazy.

Lianyungang smog -- here's some manmade "weather". Some of China's remarkable smog in the city of Lianyungang. You would have thought they would have learned from the West's mistakes. Instead they are doubling down.

Stats: 7min 0pts (0-3, 0-1, 0-0) 2reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Outlaw ( INC ) -- well, he won't quit getting these random minutes, and he won't quit shooting,l neither of which I can explain. He's shooting .211 in March. Read that again. Came into this one and immediately forced up a baseline jumper that it remains inconceivable we want him to take. Will say that he was part of an all bench crew that despite featuring a bunch of nothing performances, as a group gritted it out on defense and did not let things get away from us. But his terrible, combined with Ray's terrible and Johnson's apparent soon to be off the rosterness explains how you get Ben left out there to shoot 0-7 from 3ptland.

End of the rainbow, North Sea -- hey check this out -- I didn't think you were ever supposed to be able to find the end of the rainbow, but this ship did. Wonder if there is a pot of gold down beneath the waves there.

Stats: 11min 1pts (0-2, 0-0, 1-2) 0reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
McCallum ( D ) -- flat ineffective in a way that continues to make future plans for him as a major player a "?". Followed a good defensive play on Augustin with a forced pullup the other way, and while Cousins was trying to run a two man game with him, just simply not good enough to penetrate and create vs.,the Bulls defense, and so ended up getting walled outside the paint and wandering around passively dribbling side to side. Unfortunately traveled when he had an open drive to the hoop in the early 4th, and basically got nothing at all accomplished in his minutes, leading indirectly to Ben getting left on the floor to miss and miss.

Death Valley -- so Death Valley, CA, hits 131 degrees Fahrenheit back in June, these two pudgy guys' reponse? Get dressed up in hot black/wookie Star Wars costumes to better bake themselves.

Stats: 10min 3pts (1-2, 0-0, 1-2) 4reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Acy ( B- ) -- in the game to start the 2nd and I thought initially did a good job bodying Gibson on
defense. But he began to rack up foul calls, and Gibson's big game really got underway against him. Good offensive rebound tip save of a Ben miss after returning late in the 3rd, and a big alley oop dunk from IT to start the 4th. On another inside setup got to the line and split the pair. This wasn't anything to blow you away, but on Acy's bad days he's a ghost, and can easily go 10min and give you 0pts 1reb. this night wasn't that and he gave us some production while spelling Cuz.

South Gate Lighthouse, England -- methinks they should have built a taller lighthouse.
 
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#3
We are a very bad 3 point shooting team and we were 2/14 tonight. Seriously we need to try to take a couple steps in and we might have won the game

The biggest offender was b-mac who was 0-7 from 3 point. He is 31% on the season, so just please stop it... Get it going from 2 point range first, then go to the 3.

In addition to missing shots he is always going out of bounds. Maybe he needs glasses? I am about ready to pull the plug on this kid
 
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Spike

Subsidiary Intermediary
Staff member
#4
I think all grades should be given in haiku.

For example:

DeMarcus Cousins
Why you no like Dunleavy?
I ate a donut.

Isaiah Thomas
Did not get to play Jimmer
Npliam sad.

Jason Thompson, hey!
Surprisingly good defense
Mr. Celery
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

Doryphore of KingsFans.com
Staff member
#5
I think all grades should be given in haiku.

For example:

DeMarcus Cousins
Why you no like Dunleavy?
I ate a donut.

Isaiah Thomas
Did not get to play Jimmer
Npliam sad.

Jason Thompson, hey!
Surprisingly good defense
Mr. Celery
Isaiah Thomas
Why you no play like point guard?
Pass the damned ball, son!


Yo, Ben McLemore,
Who taught you to shoot, young man?
Zero for seven?!


Reggie Evans will
try to get all rebounds, but
not so good at blocks.


I see five-for-twelve,
and I think one thing 'bout Gay:
he took the night off.


Ray McCallum had
one point, and one turnover.
That's not a good look.


D-Will only had
3 and 5, in 18 mikes.
More Quincy Acy.


Travis Outlaw played
seven minutes. Did not score.
Thanks for showing up!


Fifty-five rebounds.
But, fourteen missed free throw shots.
Wonder why we lost?


Joakim Noah can
play on my team, any day.
Someone extort Thibs!
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#6
I think all grades should be given in haiku.

For example:

DeMarcus Cousins
Why you no like Dunleavy?
I ate a donut.

Isaiah Thomas
Did not get to play Jimmer
Npliam sad.

Jason Thompson, hey!
Surprisingly good defense
Mr. Celery
Drunk fans are the best fans! :p
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#7
In the last two games Cousins has played more like a man than a baby. Progress? I sure hope so.

The Kings just had a tad too many misses on open shots and too many mistakes to win. Still, if they play at this level, they can be entertaining enough to watch.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#9
We are a very bad 3 point shooting team and we were 2/14 tonight. Seriously we need to try to take a couple steps in and we might have won the game

The biggest offender was b-mac who was 0-7 from 3 point. He is 31% on the season, so just please stop it... Get it going from 2 point range first, then go to the 3.

In addition to missing shots he is always going out of bounds. Maybe he needs glasses? I am about ready to pull the plug on this kid
Maybe he's the Wild Thing from Major League. I'm only semi-joking.
 
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KingMilz

Guest
#10
Why Jason Thompson and Mclemore were in at any point in the 4th quarter is beyond me, some of Malone's coaching moves have been a joke he's not punishing anyone for having zero pride In defence (Cousins first half defence was pathetic) and we have two guys on the floor who can't catch a pass or make a shot. Derrick Williams was playing ok why not put him in the game? Reggie was really solid much better than JT why not play him? What was the point of signing Orlando Johnson if Ben can put on a performance like that and still get time in the 4th? Where was Ray Mac?

There was also a play where there was a loose ball and Rudy Gay could have dove for it but off course knowing Rudy didn't which exactly why I hope he opts out the dude never makes dirty/hard plays like that. We need more tough players on this squad who can play a bit someone like Afflalo I would rather over Gay.

Not really impressed by anyone's game I thought Thomas/Cousins were the best, Reggie did his thing didn't get enough time nor did D-Will for the effort and level of play they put out. I really hope the Bulls if they go after Melo are forced to move Gibson I would throw the kitchen sink to get him for us.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#11
Why Jason Thompson and Mclemore were in at any point in the 4th quarter is beyond me, some of Malone's coaching moves have been a joke he's not punishing anyone for having zero pride In defence (Cousins first half defence was pathetic) and we have two guys on the floor who can't catch a pass or make a shot. Derrick Williams was playing ok why not put him in the game? Reggie was really solid much better than JT why not play him? What was the point of signing Orlando Johnson if Ben can put on a performance like that and still get time in the 4th? Where was Ray Mac?

There was also a play where there was a loose ball and Rudy Gay could have dove for it but off course knowing Rudy didn't which exactly why I hope he opts out the dude never makes dirty/hard plays like that.

Not really impressed by anyone's game I thought Thomas/Cousins were the best, Reggie did his thing didn't get enough time nor did D-Will for the effort and level of play they put out. I really hope the Bulls if they go after Melo are forced to move Gibson I would throw the kitchen sink to get him for us.

Thompson's defensive energy was excellent.
 
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KingMilz

Guest
#12
Thompson's defensive energy was excellent.
Was not really any better than Reggie tbh, JT had a crap game and his defence was nothing really impressive, also made a huge blunder helping on Noah when Cousins had him covered leaving Taj open for a dagger.
 
#13
Was a pretty decent defensive game by the Kings imo. Once this team finds a pass first PG, I think they'll be a playoff team. Ben is driving me crazy though, I dont get why hes such a poor shooter. I understand hes a rookie and all, but he sure sucks at it right now. I wish the Kings could somehow get Taj. He would be a good fit next to Cuz.
 
#15
I agree, was not particularly impressed by JT defense. I recall one play where he got out on baseline to defend a shooter (can't recall which Bulls forward swished it) but made himself strangely small - not the first time. Instead of making himself BIG (using all of his 6'11" frame) he was too crouched down and uncoordinated like he was expecting drive to the basket. All JT (Mr Mediocre IQ talent) had to do was stay BIG not small with his hands way up to contest plus position for possible charge - he did neither. I do like his role as backup center to Cousins which appears to be the new designated role.
 

Spike

Subsidiary Intermediary
Staff member
#16
Was not really any better than Reggie tbh, JT had a crap game and his defence was nothing really impressive, also made a huge blunder helping on Noah when Cousins had him covered leaving Taj open for a dagger.
Helping on Noah was the correct move. You want Gibson taking that 18 footer in that situation.
 
#17
If Isaiah hadn't fouled intentionally for absolutely no reason there may have been a different outcome.

Hard to win when your starting PG has no awareness of the game situation.

FTs killed us. That's becoming a theme.

I thought JT was really getting after it defensively. Wasn't perfect, but his size always makes him our best defensive option at that position.
 
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KingMilz

Guest
#18
Helping on Noah was the correct move. You want Gibson taking that 18 footer in that situation.
No you don't you want Noah (who's not that good scoring when he's defended) forcing a shot over a guy who was clearly in front of him who has a 7'6 winspan and is stronger than Noah and was actually playing defence at that point, you don't want Gibson a very solid shooter to get a wide open jumper. That was Marcus Thornton like with the overhelp for no reason that was terrible by JT but not half as terrible as Gay not diving for a loose ball or Cousins first half effort on D in particular.
 
#19
I recorded the game and watched it late last night. Mistakenly I had recorded the Bulls feed. Those Bulls announcers are pretty bad. Former player Stacy King and some guy who's name I did not catch. King had props for the Kings talent level, Malone's coaching and especially Cousins. He thinks with time Malone can make a contender out of this Kings squad.

Taj Gibson is known as their "Minister Of Defense". I have to agree he would look awfully good next to Big Cuz.

The Kings would have won this game if they had hit a normal percentage of Free Throws and 3 pointers. Noah and Taj played awesome. Dunleavy has matured into a solid NBA player. Ben was 3 for 12 but the Bulls Jimmy Butler was 1 for 11.

The Bulls are pretty darn good and Noah is no slouch. Wow, Petrie missed Noah by one pick........Same goes for James Harden......Tank.
 
#20
So the Bulls fans think Noah is, at worst the 2nd best center in the NBA behind Dwight. Pretty hard to argue with that. Guy does everything you want to help your team win.
 
#21
I think all grades should be given in haiku.

For example:

DeMarcus Cousins
Why you no like Dunleavy?
I ate a donut.

Isaiah Thomas
Did not get to play Jimmer
Npliam sad.

Jason Thompson, hey!
Surprisingly good defense
Mr. Celery
I was sad. I really didn't expect him to play though, Thibs has a tight rotation and it is working so who am I to second guess it.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#22
So the Bulls fans think Noah is, at worst the 2nd best center in the NBA behind Dwight. Pretty hard to argue with that. Guy does everything you want to help your team win.
Oh, pretty easy to argue that actually. Or was up until the All Star break. Since that time he has turned into the ultimate roleplayer and basically been doing everything at a high level. But he's getting overrated in a huge hurry now. Even the assisting, which is amazing, is not really as amazing as the numbers look. You watch his games and he'll make a couple of real nice passes a game, but at least half of those assists are basically dribble handoffs up top followed by his guy hitting a long jumper. He's not exactly carving teams up with behind the back bounce passes ala Divac.
 
#23
Oh, pretty easy to argue that actually. Or was up until the All Star break. Since that time he has turned into the ultimate roleplayer and basically been doing everything at a high level. But he's getting overrated in a huge hurry now. Even the assisting, which is amazing, is not really as amazing as the numbers look. You watch his games and he'll make a couple of real nice passes a game, but at least half of those assists are basically dribble handoffs up top followed by his guy hitting a long jumper. He's not exactly carving teams up with behind the back bounce passes ala Divac.
I think his offense is nice and efficient and his passing really is very good and he moves the ball so well (the whole team does) but where he really has an impact on the game is on the defensive end. He is everywhere and his energy has an impact on the whole team.
 
#24
I think his offense is nice and efficient and his passing really is very good and he moves the ball so well (the whole team does) but where he really has an impact on the game is on the defensive end. He is everywhere and his energy has an impact on the whole team.
I love what Noah does on the floor, but hate watching him do it. It's more his technique than anything else. He never fully looks in control when handling the ball, making passes, and especially shooting. Can't argue with the results, but the cringe factor is notable.
 

CruzDude

Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
#25
The importance of making FT's was never more painful than this game. Missing 14 and losing by 7? hmmm. Other than too many dumb passes, overall game was fun to watch being so close for most of game vs. a good team. Wow, would I like Gibson on Kings??? Kings 2nd unit did well and played together for the most part. McCallum still learning that passing is not really setting up others yet.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#26
I think his offense is nice and efficient and his passing really is very good and he moves the ball so well (the whole team does) but where he really has an impact on the game is on the defensive end. He is everywhere and his energy has an impact on the whole team.
Cousins 32.2min 22.2pts (.487 .726) 11.7reb 2.8ast 1.5stl 1.3blk 3.6TO
JoNoah 34.5min 12.4pts (.488 .728) 11.3reb 5.0ast 1.1stl 1.5blk 2.3TO
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#28
So uh,

What do these have to do with Noah's impact defensively?
Nothing.

But they do point to the normal tendency, especially in the East to get overhyped over big guys without perspective. That Noah sure is tearing things up! Best center in the league! Look at those numbers. Which is true. However him tearing it up has done no more than get him into Cuz's number range. With defense, with half the offense. Thus making claims of his best in the league center status quite dubious. As in at no point in the history of the league would an uber roleplayer have been considered best in the league over a franchise player #1 option. It would be a bit like me trying to claim that Doug Christie circa 2002 was better than Vince Carter. Doug Christie was great, but no.
 
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Cousins 32.2min 22.2pts (.487 .726) 11.7reb 2.8ast 1.5stl 1.3blk 3.6TO
JoNoah 34.5min 12.4pts (.488 .728) 11.3reb 5.0ast 1.1stl 1.5blk 2.3TO
I knew this was coming. Cousins is a better offensive player (well not statistically as the major difference is he takes more shots) but there are equal number of offensive and defensive possessions in a game and Noah is clearly a much much better defender.

Now I want to be clear here. Cousins can do things on the offensive end that Noah can't do. He shoots better, is stronger, has better footwork and a much better touch around the basket but I think the 2.3 more assists and the 1.3 less turnovers help his team on that end too and help close some of the gap offensively.

The other this is that Noah is clearly the team leader and has rallied a squad that isn't really better than what the Kings put on the floor to the 4th in the eastern conference with an outside chance of 50 wins. I realize that the Eastern Conference isn't as good as the Western Conference but the Bulls are a much better team than the Kings.

Simply put if you switched Noah and Demarcus I think the Kings would better and the Bulls would be worse.