Jimmer Fredette
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lol - a strawman on top of your strawman....
1) Strawman 1 --- changed operating assumption to "only does one thing well"...
2) Strawman 2 --- a clever strawman to divert attention from what my strawman accusation was about... i wasn't attacking your comparison to or existence of Justin Williams (although i don't agree)
1) Strawman 1 --- changed operating assumption to "only does one thing well"...
2) Strawman 2 --- a clever strawman to divert attention from what my strawman accusation was about... i wasn't attacking your comparison to or existence of Justin Williams (although i don't agree)
What I find disturbing is the FO's confidence in McCallum and McLemore as part of our future. Where is this coming from? Are they really such talented scouts and judges of talent? That's not to say you write them off but to treat a second round pick and a underachieving top 10 pick as guaranteed future pieces makes no more sense to me than treating Jimmer as the future. In fact, you could argue that Jimmer (albeit already in his 3rd year) has shown recent signs of being a decent rotational player! So why pin all our hopes on Ben (to the extent that he was one of the few we were not willing to trade) and Ray while writing off Jimmer? Can we honestly say that Jimmer, when given a fair chance and regular minutes, has failed to show more promise than whatever Ben and Ray have shown?
Maybe, maybe not. Tough to tell when he's coaching a bunch of guys who had no idea if they'd be here past the deadline and have no idea if they'll be here come training camp. That amount of instability within a roster, along with our GM very publicly stating since day one he'll be looking to make moves and overhaul the roster, makes it much tougher for a group of guys to buy into a system.
There are things I question about Malone. At the same time, when both Boogie and Rudy were healthy, our offense was pretty decent. We sure weren't and aren't losing games due to our offense, it's the other side of the ball. Ya know, both Thibs and Brooks aren't great offensive coaches either. Their sets aren't that imaginative, like an Adelman. But you control the defensive end and have good support players around your stars, you leave yourself much more wiggle room.
Frankly, Malone's use of Jimmer has little do with whether he's a good offensive coach or not and little to do with our record. We have a bad roster stacked with terrible defenders and zero stability as no one aside from Boogie knows if they'll even be here come July.
There are things I question about Malone. At the same time, when both Boogie and Rudy were healthy, our offense was pretty decent. We sure weren't and aren't losing games due to our offense, it's the other side of the ball. Ya know, both Thibs and Brooks aren't great offensive coaches either. Their sets aren't that imaginative, like an Adelman. But you control the defensive end and have good support players around your stars, you leave yourself much more wiggle room.
Frankly, Malone's use of Jimmer has little do with whether he's a good offensive coach or not and little to do with our record. We have a bad roster stacked with terrible defenders and zero stability as no one aside from Boogie knows if they'll even be here come July.
I am not saying that Coach Malone isn't a good coach. He just isn't a very good offensive coach. Even when the team looked ok on offense it wasn't because they were running any kind of sets for players or that the ball movement was good. It was individual players making plays. Rudy Gay was making all of his ill-advised jumpers and Cousins was just running over people on his way to the basket. It wasn't because you had players running a good system it was because you had good players making tough plays.
The fact the he continues to let IT just dominate the offense, Keep Cousins out at the three point line and seems to only focus on defense in interviews and press conferences, even if the offense looked terrible makes me think he just isn't a very good offensive coach. The fact the he can't 3-4 open looks for the best (statistically) 3 point shooter in the NBA only adds to my belief.
The fact the he continues to let IT just dominate the offense, Keep Cousins out at the three point line and seems to only focus on defense in interviews and press conferences, even if the offense looked terrible makes me think he just isn't a very good offensive coach. The fact the he can't 3-4 open looks for the best (statistically) 3 point shooter in the NBA only adds to my belief.
yeah... this is why it's fruitless to argue with Entity. Every single response is met with a strawman...
I also never said he was really really good either.... in fact, in this thread I've used the word "unproven", alluded to him being better than Ray (which isn't saying much), suggested he is worth back-up minutes, etc.
None of those say really really good. In fact, his best buddy from his BYU team said in an interview the other day that he doesn't see Jimmer as a star in the league... but that is much different than suggesting he doesn't belong.
The fact is, Entity is a troll and always has been.
I also never said he was really really good either.... in fact, in this thread I've used the word "unproven", alluded to him being better than Ray (which isn't saying much), suggested he is worth back-up minutes, etc.
None of those say really really good. In fact, his best buddy from his BYU team said in an interview the other day that he doesn't see Jimmer as a star in the league... but that is much different than suggesting he doesn't belong.
The fact is, Entity is a troll and always has been.
Troll for 14 years? All this because I think the exact same way the kings coaches and FO thinks about jimmer? Hate you feel that way guys but arguing about the talent level of jimmer is pointless. You want facts. Do you really want facts? Jimmer isn't good enough to get min from a ball hogging pg, a rookie pg a rookie sg a sg with attitude. All while being on a team headed for top 5 in the draft. If that doesn't prove a point to his talent level then nothing u can say will convince you. Troll for years? Yet neither of you were here before jimmer got here?
Dude you're the one who is constantly picking fights with Liam (who for the most part has been a pretty good poster here), always making "jokes" about Jimmer and Jimmer fans in every other game thread. If that's not trolling I don't know what is. You don't actually attempt to discuss Jimmer in a basketball-related context, nor do you choose to simply ignore talking about Jimmer if he bothers you so much. In fact, you practically go out looking to start fights! It's not so much your viewpoint, which many others actually share to begin with, but it's your persistent ... really the only word I can think of is trolling ... that is messed up.
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