Kings active in trade talks?
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Chippy little bugger aren't you. The FO has been talking about a new culture and part of that was defense. At the same time they are letting the good defenders go and NONE of these defenders was a bad locker room guy that we know of. It makes no sense. If they aren't going to do what they are saying, quit saying anything. Certainly when addressing our FO we can look at their actions less than a year ago and should be allowed to discuss Tyreke in that context.
I agree with that to an extent but my bigger problem is the lack of defined direction.
Originally, we were going to not worry about wins but change the culture to a defensive oriented group that played unselfishly.
Then we went after a bunch of vets, none of whom (outside of Iggy) were good defenders and some of whom were selfish (Monte, Landry).
We let our other defenders walk.
Then we finally got Luc healthy and benched our selfish no d guys.
Then we traded our most unselfish, d playing guy for a guy that has a reputation of not playing well in a team system and playing no d.
How did we somehow come back to a team mostly made up of no d playing guys that don't share the ball well. I get the ones we couldn't trim but also the moves we have now deliberately made?
Originally, we were going to not worry about wins but change the culture to a defensive oriented group that played unselfishly.
Then we went after a bunch of vets, none of whom (outside of Iggy) were good defenders and some of whom were selfish (Monte, Landry).
We let our other defenders walk.
Then we finally got Luc healthy and benched our selfish no d guys.
Then we traded our most unselfish, d playing guy for a guy that has a reputation of not playing well in a team system and playing no d.
How did we somehow come back to a team mostly made up of no d playing guys that don't share the ball well. I get the ones we couldn't trim but also the moves we have now deliberately made?
What...just because I disagree with how many view our FO's recent moves? Last time I checked they did decline Jimmer's option, so there is an improvement in defense. How are they supposed to make the team better with the players on the roster? Look at their value. Do you honestly think they can acquire good defenders with guys like Salmons, Jimmer, Hayes and Thornton?
True, but it works both ways. People keep commenting that we let Evans walk, that we failed in keeping him, etc. There have been rumors floating around since day 1 that Evans, in fact, DID indicate to the front office that he would just as soon move on. So who knows? I could be somewhat jaded. I've never been as strong as some here on Evans, especially when it appeared obvious to me that it was an either/or situation with Evans and Cousins.
Regardless of how I felt, the situation was resolved. Cousins is part of our future and Evans isn't. I can live with that. And I can live with trading Luc Mbah a Moute for a player who might or might not fit into the long-range plans of the team. Others have mentioned it, but there had to be some lingering concern over just how long his knees would hold up. I think one thing almost all Kings fans have in common is that we still cringe and clutch our stomachs when we hear the words "knee injury."
Regardless of how I felt, the situation was resolved. Cousins is part of our future and Evans isn't. I can live with that. And I can live with trading Luc Mbah a Moute for a player who might or might not fit into the long-range plans of the team. Others have mentioned it, but there had to be some lingering concern over just how long his knees would hold up. I think one thing almost all Kings fans have in common is that we still cringe and clutch our stomachs when we hear the words "knee injury."
Why do people keep repeating that Adelman doesn't play young players? Did anyone not follow him after he left Sac, or are they basing his coaching philosophy simply off his years here?
In Hou, he played regularly and developed three PG's during his years there in Brooks, Lowry and Dragic. Played a rookie, 2nd rounder in Buddinger 20 mins a night as a rook. In Minn he showed zero hesitation with Rubio. He threw Shved into the fire as a rook. And for all the talk of Williams not getting a fair shake from him, he started Williams 71 times over his first two seasons including 56 starts last year.
Two ideas don't stack up here which are being repeated.
1) Adelman doesn't play youngsters. Look past his time here with one of the top teams in the league, you'll see there's little truth to that.
2)Williams didn't get a fair shot. Adelman played him 21+ mins per night in 2011, then close to 25 mins per night and 56 starts in 2012. Williams wasn't gifted the starting spot and 30+ mins per night, but it's hard to argue he hasn't been given a shot. Multiple shots actually to make an impression.
Williams is young though so we'll see how this goes.
In Hou, he played regularly and developed three PG's during his years there in Brooks, Lowry and Dragic. Played a rookie, 2nd rounder in Buddinger 20 mins a night as a rook. In Minn he showed zero hesitation with Rubio. He threw Shved into the fire as a rook. And for all the talk of Williams not getting a fair shake from him, he started Williams 71 times over his first two seasons including 56 starts last year.
Two ideas don't stack up here which are being repeated.
1) Adelman doesn't play youngsters. Look past his time here with one of the top teams in the league, you'll see there's little truth to that.
2)Williams didn't get a fair shot. Adelman played him 21+ mins per night in 2011, then close to 25 mins per night and 56 starts in 2012. Williams wasn't gifted the starting spot and 30+ mins per night, but it's hard to argue he hasn't been given a shot. Multiple shots actually to make an impression.
Williams is young though so we'll see how this goes.
Not going to share details of who, but ive talked with people very close to Tyreke and know what happened. He did want to stay here in Sacramento, and he was under the impression that they wanted him to stay. In response to Glenn, we DID make a move, but we only offered him around 32mil, which after CA taxs was even less, and they refused to pay any more than that. after that, he couldn't say no to the 44mil plus 4 mil bonus from the Pelicans
You talked with people close to Tyreke so you heard his version of the story. There are always two sides, and I've heard there were other considerations that were important to the future of the organization. Regardless, it's all water under the bridge. I think it's honorable of both sides to keep the behind-the-doors discussions behind the doors.
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Some people were sayiing the Bulls might blow it up and if they do I'm really interested in one Taj Gibson he's a elite pick n roll defender, great athelte and solid mid range J and brings toughness if we could get him for like Patterson/Jimmer since they both expiring that would be unreal the Bulls get cap space we get a near perfect fit next to Cousins.
This would than mean we package Thompson for anything that's like a 2 year contract and have a frontline of Cousins, Gibson, Landry and Derrick Williams filling in at times.
This would than mean we package Thompson for anything that's like a 2 year contract and have a frontline of Cousins, Gibson, Landry and Derrick Williams filling in at times.
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incidentally, they're over the tax line again and in line to pay the repeater tax, meaning Gibson costs them significantly more this season (2nd year tax is 2.5$ per every dollar over LT line, IIRC) and dropping him would get them under the tax line, so they wouldn't face next year's escalation. however, they'd need instant cap relief, something the Kings can't provide, while other teams could.
Picks yes, but I would reserve the cap space for a few years down the road once you actually have your core in place that you build through the draft. I suppose they could just keep the space till then and not sign anyone in the time being... but I guess the question then becomes whether they want to keep Gibson. He's a young player with good value who can be part of their rebuilt team, not an ageing veteran that needs to be sent away.
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His contract is a bit high in terms of $$ for them and he does a lot of the things Noah does and imo no chance they trade Noah he's the heart of that team. His contract is a bit high for us but I just think he's a great fit next to Cousins and might be worth it purely cause of that.
Another guy I would not mind having a look at is Amir Johnson he's a similar sort of player to Gibson but I am not sure if he's all that mentally stable.
Another guy I would not mind having a look at is Amir Johnson he's a similar sort of player to Gibson but I am not sure if he's all that mentally stable.
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