2014 Draft Prospects:
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If embiid keeps putting moves like this in this game I'd take him over anyone but parker and wiggins. 7ft big men don't do euro steps besides cousins I can't think of one and on his ft you could also see how good his machines are. His agility and coordination will make him and terror in pick and role defense. His potential is through the roof
Wiggins who? No, he's made big strides since a couple of years ago. The more great players that are available in the next draft, the better the chance we'll get one of them. Being greedy, I want more than one. It's going to fun to follow Embiid's journey this season.
By the way, Noah Vonleh and Indiana are playing this evening at 6 PM Pacific on ESPN2. He having a very good year so far. For those that don't know, Vonleh is a 6'9" PF who is very athletic. He's a certain 1st round pick and if he keeps playing at the current level, he's probably a top 10 pick.
By the way, Noah Vonleh and Indiana are playing this evening at 6 PM Pacific on ESPN2. He having a very good year so far. For those that don't know, Vonleh is a 6'9" PF who is very athletic. He's a certain 1st round pick and if he keeps playing at the current level, he's probably a top 10 pick.
What impresses me the most about Embiid is that he doesn't look like a player who's picked up the game fairly late in life and is still relying on his natural size and athleticism to compete against more experienced players. The way he moves without the ball, the way he rotates into the passing lanes on defense, and the way he recognizes double teams and delivers the ball to the open player all suggest a player with a lot more experience playing team basketball. That tells me that his instincts are all very good. As excited as I am about Parker, Randle, and Wiggins as prospects -- I think Embiid is probably the best fit for our team from the top 5. I can see his skill-set and mobility playing really well next to Cousins.
I agree to take Parker over Embiid but in reality we may have the option to get Embiid and not get Parker. Picky, huh? 
Let us not pass on a big guy again. Last I heard, we needed one. In any case, we may solve a positional problem in this draft in a way not possible through a trade or free agency.
I would hate to get into an argument about whether to pick BPA or for need but this is a draft where anyone in the top 6 or so might very well allow us or any team to be able to pick for need. I think we have all learned there is no FO that can predict the future of a college kid once he hits the NBA and has 4 years experience. Look at Cousins! Bennett is getting boo'd. Drummond has blossomed quickly. Jimmer. TRob. Etc. Top 5 picks have been busts and 60th picks have done very well. I used to be in super tanker mode but now I think we just need to rise or fall to our natural level and we will solve a problem in our lineup.
Let us not pass on a big guy again. Last I heard, we needed one. In any case, we may solve a positional problem in this draft in a way not possible through a trade or free agency.I would hate to get into an argument about whether to pick BPA or for need but this is a draft where anyone in the top 6 or so might very well allow us or any team to be able to pick for need. I think we have all learned there is no FO that can predict the future of a college kid once he hits the NBA and has 4 years experience. Look at Cousins! Bennett is getting boo'd. Drummond has blossomed quickly. Jimmer. TRob. Etc. Top 5 picks have been busts and 60th picks have done very well. I used to be in super tanker mode but now I think we just need to rise or fall to our natural level and we will solve a problem in our lineup.
I agree to take Parker over Embiid but in reality we may have the option to get Embiid and not get Parker. Picky, huh? Let us not pass on a big guy again. Last I heard, we needed one. In any case, we may solve a positional problem in this draft in a way not possible through a trade or free agency.
I would hate to get into an argument about whether to pick BPA or for need but this is a draft where anyone in the top 6 or so might very well allow us or any team to be able to pick for need. I think we have all learned there is no FO that can predict the future of a college kid once he hits the NBA and has 4 years experience. Look at Cousins! Bennett is getting boo'd. Drummond has blossomed quickly. Jimmer. TRob. Etc. Top 5 picks have been busts and 60th picks have done very well. I used to be in super tanker mode but now I think we just need to rise or fall to our natural level and we will solve a problem in our lineup.
Let us not pass on a big guy again. Last I heard, we needed one. In any case, we may solve a positional problem in this draft in a way not possible through a trade or free agency.I would hate to get into an argument about whether to pick BPA or for need but this is a draft where anyone in the top 6 or so might very well allow us or any team to be able to pick for need. I think we have all learned there is no FO that can predict the future of a college kid once he hits the NBA and has 4 years experience. Look at Cousins! Bennett is getting boo'd. Drummond has blossomed quickly. Jimmer. TRob. Etc. Top 5 picks have been busts and 60th picks have done very well. I used to be in super tanker mode but now I think we just need to rise or fall to our natural level and we will solve a problem in our lineup.
Once again, I believe that if you do your homework, and not rely on Chad Ford for your info on players, you can be very successful in the draft. Especially when you picking in the top 5 or 10. But I agree that its not an exact science, and everyone does it a little differently. At the end it comes down to what can a player do right now, and what do you think he'll be capable of doing in 4 or 5 years. The larger the gap between the two, the bigger the upside of the player. However, if you can't rebound in college, its likely your not going to rebound in the NBA. If you have bad hands in college, you'll have bad hands in the NBA. If you can't jump in college, your not suddenly going to be an explosive leaper in the NBA. Anyway, you already know all this stuff.
In most drafts, there is usually one player, maybe two, that if you were to issue a guarantee, they would get it. That's whats unusual about this draft. There are at least 5 players that could be stars, and another 6 to 10 players that should be solid to very good NBA players, and maybe a couple of stars as well. You have players like Poythress, who would have been a first round pick, maybe a lottery pick last season, that could slide in the second round this year. If you pick in the top 10 this year, and you don't get a very good player, then your an idiot. Not talking about you of course.
This was sure a bit picky but I will agree wholeheartedly with what I have retained from your note. Both points. My view is that anyone in the top 10 will at least be the 2nd best player on our team and there are a few who could be better than Cousins. I have a few question marks on a few but what's new? No one is perfect however a few come as close as I have seen as a collection of players in a long time. It certainly isn't unusual that every year turns out a super fantastic player like Davis but we may have roughly 4-6 super fantastic players in this draft. One of my question marks has to do with Embiid but he hasn't been playing long and I know darn well he would make the Kings a much better team. MUCH better. If someone introduces him to the idea of shot blocking, he will be scary.
Please, no one correct my use of 4-6 super fantastic. I don't know for sure but am simply pointing out what is a fact about this draft - it is deep at the top and I will take bajaden's word for it that this depth continues on and on. The 30th pick this year will be better than other 30th picks of other years which is what I assume he is trying to point out.
If we finish low, we will possibly get two rotational players. I hope we make a few trades and get draft picks. Unlike the weird year a few decades ago when we had 4 first round picks, many of whom were a grossly incomplete, 4 picks in this draft would be just plain fun for the fan to watch how they evolve.
My view is that anyone in the top 10 will at least be the 2nd best player on our team and there are a few who could be better than Cousins. I have a few question marks on a few but what's new? No one is perfect however a few come as close as I have seen as a collection of players in a long time. It certainly isn't unusual that every year turns out a super fantastic player like Davis but we may have roughly 4-6 super fantastic players in this draft. One of my question marks has to do with Embiid but he hasn't been playing long and I know darn well he would make the Kings a much better team. MUCH better. If someone introduces him to the idea of shot blocking, he will be scary.Please, no one correct my use of 4-6 super fantastic. I don't know for sure but am simply pointing out what is a fact about this draft - it is deep at the top and I will take bajaden's word for it that this depth continues on and on. The 30th pick this year will be better than other 30th picks of other years which is what I assume he is trying to point out.
If we finish low, we will possibly get two rotational players. I hope we make a few trades and get draft picks. Unlike the weird year a few decades ago when we had 4 first round picks, many of whom were a grossly incomplete, 4 picks in this draft would be just plain fun for the fan to watch how they evolve.
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This was sure a bit picky but I will agree wholeheartedly with what I have retained from your note. Both points. My view is that anyone in the top 10 will at least be the 2nd best player on our team and there are a few who could be better than Cousins. I have a few question marks on a few but what's knew? No one is perfect however a few come as close as I have seen as a collection of players in a long time. It certainly isn't unusual that every year turns out a super fantastic player like Davis but we may have roughly 4-6 super fantastic players in this draft. One of my question marks has to do with Embiid but he hasn't been playing long and I know darn well he would make the Kings a much better team. MUCH better. If someone introduces him to the idea of shot blocking, he will be scary.
Please, no one correct my use of 4-6 super fantastic. I don't know for sure but am simply pointing out what is a fact about this draft - it is deep at the top and I will take bajaden's word for it that this depth continues on and on. The 30th pick this year will be better than other 30th picks of other years which is what I assume he is trying to point out.
If we finish low, we will possibly get two rotational players. I hope we make a few trades and get draft picks. Unlike the weird year a few decades ago when we had 4 first round picks, many of whom were a bit shaky, 4 picks in this draft would be just plain fun for the fan to watch how they evolve.
My view is that anyone in the top 10 will at least be the 2nd best player on our team and there are a few who could be better than Cousins. I have a few question marks on a few but what's knew? No one is perfect however a few come as close as I have seen as a collection of players in a long time. It certainly isn't unusual that every year turns out a super fantastic player like Davis but we may have roughly 4-6 super fantastic players in this draft. One of my question marks has to do with Embiid but he hasn't been playing long and I know darn well he would make the Kings a much better team. MUCH better. If someone introduces him to the idea of shot blocking, he will be scary.Please, no one correct my use of 4-6 super fantastic. I don't know for sure but am simply pointing out what is a fact about this draft - it is deep at the top and I will take bajaden's word for it that this depth continues on and on. The 30th pick this year will be better than other 30th picks of other years which is what I assume he is trying to point out.
If we finish low, we will possibly get two rotational players. I hope we make a few trades and get draft picks. Unlike the weird year a few decades ago when we had 4 first round picks, many of whom were a bit shaky, 4 picks in this draft would be just plain fun for the fan to watch how they evolve.
A few notes: Dante Exum's highschool career ended this weekend, so it will be interesting to see what he does now. He said he'd probably visit a few US colleges, but I'm not sure he could compete this year, maybe, and I doubt he'd play college ball next year with his draft status being as high as it is. As it is, he probably couldn't help his status, but only hurt it, so why take the gamble. A couple of GM's said they'd consider taking him with the first pick in the draft. Best comparison, Penny Hardaway.
Doug McDermott just keeps on going on. He had another great game yesterday playing 36 minutes and scoring 33 points on 9 of 17 shooting overall, 3 of 7 from behind the 3 pt line, and 12 of 15 from the freethrow line. He added 15 boards, 2 assists, and 2 steals. He may not be the greatest athlete in the world, but he's hard to ignore, especially since he more than held his own against NBA players at the USA team tryout camp in Las Vegas. Very high BBIQ, and he can score from anywhere on the floor.
Here are some updates on players of note:
Jabari Parker: 5 games played - 27.6 MPG, 22.4 PPG, 56.6% FGP, 65% 3PP, 8.8 RPG, 2.4 APG, 1.2 SPG, 2 BPG
Rodney Hood: 5 games played - 32.8 MPG, 21.8 PPG, 73.3% FGP, 72.7% 3PP, 4.8 RPG, 2.4 APG, 0.8 SPG, 0.6 BPG
Andrew Wiggins: 3 games played - 29.7 MPG, 17.0 PPG, 54.5% FGP, 33.3% 3PP, 6.0 RPG, 1.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.3 BPG
Joel Embiid: 3 games played - 19 MPG , 9.0 PPG, 69.2% FGP, 8 RPG, 1.7 APG, 0.3 APG, 1 BPG
Marcus Smart: 4 games played - 26.3 MPG, 20.0 PPG, 45.1% FGP, 38.5% 3PP, 4.3 RPG, 3.5 APG, 4.2 SPG, 0.8 BPG
Doug McDermott: 4 games played - 30.3 MPG, 27.5 PPG, 55.1% FGP, 50.0% 3PP, 8.0 RPG, 1.0 APG, 0.5 SPG
Noah Vonleh: 6 games played - 21.7 MPG, 12.8 PPG, 49.0% FGP, 10.2 RPG, 0.8 APG, 1.0 SPG, 0.8 BPG
Julius Randle: 5 games played - 29.4 MPG, 20.8 PPG, 61.1% FGP, 13.4 RPG, 2.2 APG, 1.0 BPG
Aaron Gordon: 5 games played - 28.6 MPG, 13.0 PPG, 48.1% FGP, 50.0 3PP, 9.0 RPG, 1.4 APG, 0.6 SPG
1.8 BPG
Willie Cauley-Stein: 5 games played - 22.8 MPG, 7.2 PPG, 58.3% FGP, 9.4 RPG, 1.4 APG, 1.4 SPG,
2.2 BPG
Jordan Adams: 4 games played - 28.8 MPG, 22.3 PPG, 51.9% FGP, 47.8% 3PP, 5.0 RPG, 1.5 APG,
3.5 SPG
Johnny O'Bryant: 4 games played - 29.0 MPG, 17.8 PPG, 48.1% FGP, 11.5 RPG, 1.8 APG, 0.5 SPG,
1.8 BPG
Perry Ellis: 4 games played - 29.5 MPG, 16.8 PPG, 69.4% FGP, 66.7% 3PP, 7 RPG, 1.2 APG, 0.8 SPG,
0.8 BPG
James McAdoo: 4 games played - 31.3 MPG, 17.0 PPG, 50.0% FGP, 7.5 RPG, 1.2 APG, 1.2 SPG, 0.5 BPG
Adreian Payne: 6 games played - 28.2 MPG, 17.2 PPG, 51.4% FGP, 47.1% 3PP, 8.0 RPG, 1.5 APG, 0.7 BPG, 1.5 BPG
Glenn Robinson: 5 games played - 34.8 MPG, 13.4 PPG, 42.3% FGP, 26.3% 3PP, 6.0 RPG, 2.2 APG,
2.4 SPG, 0.2 BPG
Andrew Harrison: 5 games played - 30.2 MPG, 11.0 PPG, 48.1% FGP, 63.6% 3PP, 2.8 RPG, 3.6 APG,
0.4 SPG
Kyle Anderson: 4 games played - 32.5 MPG, 10.3 PPG, 40.6% FGP, 20.0% 3PP, 9.8 RPG, 8.0 APG,
1.6 BPG
Wayne Selden: 4 games played - 26.5 MPG, 10.5 PPG, 51.7% FGP, 33.3% 3PP, 2.5 RPG, 3.3 APG,
0.2 SPG
Mitch McGary: 3 games played - 23.0 MPG, 9.7 PPG, 52.0% FGP, 7.3 RPG, 1.3 APG, 2.0 SPG, 1.0 BPG
Mamadou N'Diaye: 6 games played - 18.2 MPG, 9.8 PPG, 82.1% FGP, 5.8 RPG, 0.2 APG, 2.7 BPG.
If you've never heard of Mamadou N'Diaye, you can't be blamed. He's another newcomer to basketball, and he made his presence felt when U.C. Irvine upset Washington earlier this season. What makes him unique, is the fact that he's 7'6" with an 8'1" wingspan, and weighs 290 Lbs. I'm sure that scouts will be following him closely. Disappointed in McAdoo so far. Just disappears in games. Adreian Payne is really playing well. Jordan Adams is really on a roll offensively, and he's playing great defense as well.
Doug McDermott just keeps on going on. He had another great game yesterday playing 36 minutes and scoring 33 points on 9 of 17 shooting overall, 3 of 7 from behind the 3 pt line, and 12 of 15 from the freethrow line. He added 15 boards, 2 assists, and 2 steals. He may not be the greatest athlete in the world, but he's hard to ignore, especially since he more than held his own against NBA players at the USA team tryout camp in Las Vegas. Very high BBIQ, and he can score from anywhere on the floor.
Here are some updates on players of note:
Jabari Parker: 5 games played - 27.6 MPG, 22.4 PPG, 56.6% FGP, 65% 3PP, 8.8 RPG, 2.4 APG, 1.2 SPG, 2 BPG
Rodney Hood: 5 games played - 32.8 MPG, 21.8 PPG, 73.3% FGP, 72.7% 3PP, 4.8 RPG, 2.4 APG, 0.8 SPG, 0.6 BPG
Andrew Wiggins: 3 games played - 29.7 MPG, 17.0 PPG, 54.5% FGP, 33.3% 3PP, 6.0 RPG, 1.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.3 BPG
Joel Embiid: 3 games played - 19 MPG , 9.0 PPG, 69.2% FGP, 8 RPG, 1.7 APG, 0.3 APG, 1 BPG
Marcus Smart: 4 games played - 26.3 MPG, 20.0 PPG, 45.1% FGP, 38.5% 3PP, 4.3 RPG, 3.5 APG, 4.2 SPG, 0.8 BPG
Doug McDermott: 4 games played - 30.3 MPG, 27.5 PPG, 55.1% FGP, 50.0% 3PP, 8.0 RPG, 1.0 APG, 0.5 SPG
Noah Vonleh: 6 games played - 21.7 MPG, 12.8 PPG, 49.0% FGP, 10.2 RPG, 0.8 APG, 1.0 SPG, 0.8 BPG
Julius Randle: 5 games played - 29.4 MPG, 20.8 PPG, 61.1% FGP, 13.4 RPG, 2.2 APG, 1.0 BPG
Aaron Gordon: 5 games played - 28.6 MPG, 13.0 PPG, 48.1% FGP, 50.0 3PP, 9.0 RPG, 1.4 APG, 0.6 SPG
1.8 BPG
Willie Cauley-Stein: 5 games played - 22.8 MPG, 7.2 PPG, 58.3% FGP, 9.4 RPG, 1.4 APG, 1.4 SPG,
2.2 BPG
Jordan Adams: 4 games played - 28.8 MPG, 22.3 PPG, 51.9% FGP, 47.8% 3PP, 5.0 RPG, 1.5 APG,
3.5 SPG
Johnny O'Bryant: 4 games played - 29.0 MPG, 17.8 PPG, 48.1% FGP, 11.5 RPG, 1.8 APG, 0.5 SPG,
1.8 BPG
Perry Ellis: 4 games played - 29.5 MPG, 16.8 PPG, 69.4% FGP, 66.7% 3PP, 7 RPG, 1.2 APG, 0.8 SPG,
0.8 BPG
James McAdoo: 4 games played - 31.3 MPG, 17.0 PPG, 50.0% FGP, 7.5 RPG, 1.2 APG, 1.2 SPG, 0.5 BPG
Adreian Payne: 6 games played - 28.2 MPG, 17.2 PPG, 51.4% FGP, 47.1% 3PP, 8.0 RPG, 1.5 APG, 0.7 BPG, 1.5 BPG
Glenn Robinson: 5 games played - 34.8 MPG, 13.4 PPG, 42.3% FGP, 26.3% 3PP, 6.0 RPG, 2.2 APG,
2.4 SPG, 0.2 BPG
Andrew Harrison: 5 games played - 30.2 MPG, 11.0 PPG, 48.1% FGP, 63.6% 3PP, 2.8 RPG, 3.6 APG,
0.4 SPG
Kyle Anderson: 4 games played - 32.5 MPG, 10.3 PPG, 40.6% FGP, 20.0% 3PP, 9.8 RPG, 8.0 APG,
1.6 BPG
Wayne Selden: 4 games played - 26.5 MPG, 10.5 PPG, 51.7% FGP, 33.3% 3PP, 2.5 RPG, 3.3 APG,
0.2 SPG
Mitch McGary: 3 games played - 23.0 MPG, 9.7 PPG, 52.0% FGP, 7.3 RPG, 1.3 APG, 2.0 SPG, 1.0 BPG
Mamadou N'Diaye: 6 games played - 18.2 MPG, 9.8 PPG, 82.1% FGP, 5.8 RPG, 0.2 APG, 2.7 BPG.
If you've never heard of Mamadou N'Diaye, you can't be blamed. He's another newcomer to basketball, and he made his presence felt when U.C. Irvine upset Washington earlier this season. What makes him unique, is the fact that he's 7'6" with an 8'1" wingspan, and weighs 290 Lbs. I'm sure that scouts will be following him closely. Disappointed in McAdoo so far. Just disappears in games. Adreian Payne is really playing well. Jordan Adams is really on a roll offensively, and he's playing great defense as well.
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Some of those lines are insane. Parker and Randle are just destroying. The line that caught my attention is Smart's. He's not shooting so bad for a disputed poor shooter which confirms my suspicion that his shot was going to improve.
Regarding Wiggins, I'd like to see him raise his APG to around 3. A player with his handle and ability to drive should make his teammates better.
Regarding Wiggins, I'd like to see him raise his APG to around 3. A player with his handle and ability to drive should make his teammates better.
This is a picture I took of N'Diaye a while back at the rec cen haha. He goes to my school, UCI
http://www.youtube.com/embed/FJW-dPRvkq8?feature=oembed
Embiid at 50 seconds with a sick move showing his quickness and agility dude is gonna be a star
Embiid at 50 seconds with a sick move showing his quickness and agility dude is gonna be a star
And Jimmer wasn't slow by NBA standards, nor was his ball handling subpar by NBA standards. I just don't know what .I'm talking about. Smart's advantage is his size in the college game; not his quicks. I don't see him blowing by people like they are standing still in college. On the other hand, I do see teams pressuring him in the backcourt and I see Smart bringing the ball up the floor very laboriously in that situation; not what I want to see in college.
Did you just compare his situation to Jimmers? Dear Lord. I don't know if I should respond to that or not, given that it's pretty obvious you haven't really watched Smart play. Smart is one of the most athletic guards in all of college ball and will be way above average in the NBA for a PG. Not in Rose/Westbrook territory, but one level below. He might not look awfully quick, but for a guy of his build, he's very quick and has great hops. His lateral quickness and defense is some of the best I've seen in college ball over the last 5 years, he's a terror defensively. Seriously, I really don't think you know what you're talking about. Guess we'll just have to wait and see how he does in the NBA. And for the record, his handles are far, far superior to Jimmers. The comparison is a bit mind-boggling - and yes, I know you're not talking about style of game, you're talking about speed and handles. Still completely ludicrous to be quite honest.
His advantage in college may be size, but guess what, the dude is still strong enough to run over most PGs in the NBA physically. The physical advantage won't stop at the next level.
His advantage in college may be size, but guess what, the dude is still strong enough to run over most PGs in the NBA physically. The physical advantage won't stop at the next level.
Hood is an example of how a change of scenery can help. He transferred from Tennessee to Duke, and all of a sudden he's a different player. He currently listed at number 14 on DraftExpress. Very athletic kid, who has obviously worked on his outside shot, which was his weakness last season.
Edit: Hood transfereed from Mississippi St., not Tennessee. My bad. For some strange reason I get those two schools mixed up in my mind. Whats left of it.
Edit: Hood transfereed from Mississippi St., not Tennessee. My bad. For some strange reason I get those two schools mixed up in my mind. Whats left of it.
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I wouldn't call Smart slow, but he's not what I would call an elite athlete. He is blessed with very good lateral quickness though. He's definitely shooting the ball better from the three so far this season, and that was one of my main complaints. I'd feel better about him if he got his assist totals up. I still see him as a combo guard, or perhaps a SG more than a strict PG. A lot of season left though for him to change my mind.
Yeah, I'd say he's certainly a good enough athlete to play in the NBA. I wouldn't call him an elite ballhandler, such as in the Tyreke Evans class, but he's certainly far better than Jimmer. Considering that Smart makes most of his living by driving to the basket, I'd have to say that his ballhandling is adequate. My problem was, and still is to some extent, is his outside shot. I do agree with Kingster in that his size isn't going to be such an advantage in the NBA, though it will certainly help.
I'll tell you who I've been really impressed with so far this year, and I've seen him play 4 times now, and thats Jordan Adams of UCLA. Not only is he scoring the ball extremely well, he's been playing lock down defense. He's right up there with Smart in steals per game. I think he had around 7 steals in his last game. His stock is rapidly rising.
I'll tell you who I've been really impressed with so far this year, and I've seen him play 4 times now, and thats Jordan Adams of UCLA. Not only is he scoring the ball extremely well, he's been playing lock down defense. He's right up there with Smart in steals per game. I think he had around 7 steals in his last game. His stock is rapidly rising.