Starting SG spot will be Thornton or Jimmer?!?

[Bricklayer]

I have to give credit here to Jimmer this preseason. Before this camp I actually thought Jimmer was going to be out of the league in couple years time due to physical/game limitations. It's obvious though that the kid does have heart, will bust azz to get better, and he has now refined his game to the level that he can IMHO be a deep rotation guy for somebody for the next 7-8 years. That is actually a good thing for him that I now believe he can make a career out of this

I find it amusing that all this Jimmer stuff is basically because he had one good half in preseason. He actually started off the first month of last season looking better too, then things slowed.

I'm wondering if at some point Malone is actually going to announce starters here, or if he's just going to apply for an exemption so he only has to start 1 guy and can just bring the other 11 off the bench.

 

[Gary]

Wrong. Click on the user name and the profile says "Male."

DOH!!! I was just looking at the avatar. The posts seem kinda femal'ish too Oh well I was wrong!

 

[Section 101]

Yep. Heck, give Favors starters mintues last year and he might have made the all-star team with 14-10-2.6 BPG P/36 averages. He's a case where it P/36 actually applies: He has a large sample size of producing huge numbers in his 22 MPG averages. So it's very likely he can duplicate it at starter minutes. As far as the comparison between he and Cousins... well, they are two totally different players. Favors is a defensive minded who relies on athleticism. Cousins is offensive minded who relies on footwork, size, and strength to get the job done.

All in all, I wouldn't be surprised to see both guys be in the conversation for best big in the game in a few years.

And how many fouls in that per 36? His foul trouble would limit his minutes.

 

[Glenn]

DOH!!! I was just looking at the avatar. The posts seem kinda femal'ish too Oh well I was wrong!

I am tempted to ask a question but will stifle it.

 

[VF21]

DOH!!! I was just looking at the avatar. The posts seem kinda femal'ish too Oh well I was wrong!

Oh no, you didn't...

 

[Bricklayer]

DOH!!! I was just looking at the avatar. The posts seem kinda femal'ish too Oh well I was wrong!

He posts like a girl! He posts like a girl! Na-na! Na na!

 

[Kingsfan23]

I find it amusing that all this Jimmer stuff is basically because he had one good half in preseason. He actually started off the first month of last season looking better too, then things slowed.

I'm wondering if at some point Malone is actually going to announce starters here, or if he's just going to apply for an exemption so he only has to start 1 guy and can just bring the other 11 off the bench.

All this Jimmer stuff? I said he had the capability of a deep rotation player (9th through 11th player in rotation) for someone (not necessarily us), but if you don't think he capable of that its all good, lol

 

[Bricklayer]

All this Jimmer stuff? I said he had the capability of a deep rotation player (9th through 11th player in rotation) for someone (not necessarily us), but if you don't think he capable of that its all good, lol

The comment was not aimed specifically at you, but rather at the renewal of the oddness. Jimemr scored in double figures 1 time in preseason. Once. He scored 23 in that game, I think mostly after half if I recall (could be wrong). But that's all it takes to again be talking about starting him, 10 year careers, too valuable to trades and the whole nine yards.

As for where Jimmer's career will take him, I actually don't know. I do know that its hard to achieve any stability if you actually are just a deep bench shooter, especially one without the ability to either play PG or much defense. If you can't cement a rotation spot, that's a recipe for a journeyman career, and you will always be one step from out because every year a new generation of guys just like you will enter the league and be competing for your spot.

 

[Hadlowe]

The comment was not aimed specifically at you, but rather at the renewal of the oddness. Jimemr scored in double figures 1 time in preseason. Once. He scored 23 in that game, I think mostly after half if I recall (could be wrong). But that's all it takes to again be talking about starting him, 10 year careers, too valuable to trades and the whole nine yards.

As for where Jimmer's career will take him, I actually don't know. I do know that its hard to achieve any stability if you actually are just a deep bench shooter, especially one without the ability to either play PG or much defense. If you can't cement a rotation spot, that's a recipe for a journeyman career, and you will always be one step from out because every year a new generation of guys just like you will enter the league and be competing for your spot.

A good half of scoring wasn't the only improvement with Jimmer. There was apparent defensive improvement and just generally pretty good, efficient team play while staying out of the way of Cousins being the dominant force on the team. That coupled with Thornton's lackluster showings through all but the last game gave some weight to the concerns that Thornton would struggle in a set offense and in the defensive sets.

 

[t-rex]

The comment was not aimed specifically at you, but rather at the renewal of the oddness. Jimemr scored in double figures 1 time in preseason. Once. He scored 23 in that game, I think mostly after half if I recall (could be wrong). But that's all it takes to again be talking about starting him, 10 year careers, too valuable to trades and the whole nine yards.

As for where Jimmer's career will take him, I actually don't know. I do know that its hard to achieve any stability if you actually are just a deep bench shooter, especially one without the ability to either play PG or much defense. If you can't cement a rotation spot, that's a recipe for a journeyman career, and you will always be one step from out because every year a new generation of guys just like you will enter the league and be competing for your spot.

There are diehard jimmer fans who love Jimmer no matter what. And there are kings fans who despise Jimmer no matter what. I think we know which group Brick falls into. And then there are a few of us who grew up diehard kings fans who believe he should play more. I like coach Malone and I trust his judgement. Honestly, the best way to shut up all the jimmer homers would be for him to ride the pine and the kings win a bunch of games. Im tired of the losing and I believe Coach Malone will put the team in the best position to win. If that means jimmer sits or plays so be it. Time will tell.

 

[Glenn]

There are diehard jimmer fans who love Jimmer no matter what. And there are kings fans who despise Jimmer no matter what. I think we know which group Brick falls into. And then there are a few of us who grew up diehard kings fans who believe he should play more. I like coach Malone and I trust his judgement. Honestly, the best way to shut up all the jimmer homers would be for him to ride the pine and the kings win a bunch of games. Im tired of the losing and I believe Coach Malone will put the team in the best position to win. If that means jimmer sits or plays so be it. Time will tell.

Are you saying that people who don't think Jimmer has NBA talent "despise" him??? What if the analysis is accurate?

 

[t-rex]

Are you saying that people who don't think Jimmer has NBA talent "despise" him??? What if the analysis is accurate?

I don't think he's objective but that's my opinion

 

[treach1976]

Everyone needs to chill. Jimmer is in the NBA because he has NBA talent. He's better than a lot of guards in some ways and not as good as others in other ways. If the Kings decide to play to his strengths, he'll be a valuable role-player, he's the best shooter on the team, a good passer, and a decent team player. You can't objectively say that he is the best or worst guard on the team, because they all have different skills/abilities. It all depends on Malone's vision on how the game is played and whether Jimmer's style / skill-set fit into that.

Please end this thread!

 

[Henkel]

You can't "objectively" say if Jimmer is better or worse then our other guards? Good stuff.

They won't pick up his option, he's on his way out. Maybe we can pawn him off but I doubt there's much interest.

 

[pshn80]

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I find it amusing that all this Jimmer stuff is basically because he had one good half in preseason. He actually started off the first month of last season looking better too, then things slowed.

I'm wondering if at some point Malone is actually going to announce starters here, or if he's ju going to apply for an exemption so he only has to start 1 guy and can just bring the other 11 off the bench.

 

[pshn80]

Sorry. This thread is forever. It started when I was young and ...........

 

[VF21]

Everyone needs to chill. Jimmer is in the NBA because he has NBA talent. He's better than a lot of guards in some ways and not as good as others in other ways. If the Kings decide to play to his strengths, he'll be a valuable role-player, he's the best shooter on the team, a good passer, and a decent team player. You can't objectively say that he is the best or worst guard on the team, because they all have different skills/abilities. It all depends on Malone's vision on how the game is played and whether Jimmer's style / skill-set fit into that.

Please end this thread!

If people quit posting in it, it would drop off... Just sayin'

 

[Turgenev]

Honestly I would just let Ben Mclemore start.

Jimmer could be a useful piece to have. Marcus could also be a useful piece to have. There is not room on the roster for two of them. Even less room considering IT is here. As a reserve SG I think Jimmer suits the team a little better than Marcus.

We still don't have anybody at the three spot. I figure management was hoping for a more capable Luc M than what they got.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Jimmer scored in double figures 1 time in preseason. Once.

You shouldn't put up numbers like that, Jimmer Dangerously. My grandmother scored in double figures in the preseason once... Once.

 

[jalfa]

You know, lost in all of the Cousins vs. Favors debate last season, a lot of Kings Fans like to overlook the fact that Favors is actually very good. Like, potential Top 10 post in the league good. LaMarcus F. Aldridge, on the other hand, may be the most overrated post in the league: he's a less talented Dirk Nowitzki.

Tyrone Corbin is a good coach. Not a particularly great coach, but a good coach, and he coaches a system that's structured enough that he's not going to get killed by a rookie point guard. Stotts, on the other hand, is a poor coach. He's lost everywhere he's been and, most places, he's lost badly. Whatever you think their W-L record is going to be, you might as well subtract ten wins, just from Stotts' coaching. They're not going to be any good.

whether or not Favors is top 10 big man material is debatable (personally, I'm sceptical), but him actualising his potential this season seems a reach. Section101 has already mentioned his proneness to foul trouble and there's still quite a few other holes in his game that need fixing. and even if he were to completely blow everybody's socks off this season and be a top 10 guy that's still not enough to drag a roster lacking starting calibre talent and, frankly, maybe even rotation calibre talent in two positions on their roster. nevermind that they don't have any bigs off their bench anymore. the fact that the Jazz have barely addressed those needs in the offseason, instead opting to nail down their core guys, making sure they have to be played extensively and filling their roster out with guys that mostly don't look to be on the team past this year also suggests to me that they aren't very much interested in winning. they seem to be looking to add at least one impact guy through next year's draft and have the financial flexibility to do things in next year's free agency, using the upcoming season to evaluate what they have and not caring overly about winning lots of games.

as far as Portland goes, I don't have strong feelings about Stotts either way, but he seemed mostly fine last year. all he has to do, really, is to stay out of the way and not impact things too negatively, which I expects he'll manage (or get fired midway through the season). their starting five has proven to be very good, which isn't surprising given that it's four above-average guys, three of which are capable of operating at or near allstar level, and a solid fifth guy, who will be an improvement over Hickson defensively, at least. they don't have a good defense and the bench is only so-so, but it still might be enough to get them into the playoffs. their competition for the seventh and eighth seed is not going to include the Jazz, though. the locks are SAS, OKC, HOU, LAC, GSW and MEM and then there will be a dogfight between DEN, DAL, PDX, NOLA, MIN and maybe LAL. Utah will be comfortably out of reach in the bottom third of the conference, maybe even its second worst team.

(I know all this is thread derailment and I apologise for that. I'll happily continue the discussion elsewhere, if you want)

 

[Npliam]

whether or not Favors is top 10 big man material is debatable (personally, I'm sceptical), but him actualising his potential this season seems a reach. Section101 has already mentioned his proneness to foul trouble and there's still quite a few other holes in his game that need fixing. and even if he were to completely blow everybody's socks off this season and be a top 10 guy that's still not enough to drag a roster lacking starting calibre talent and, frankly, maybe even rotation calibre talent in two positions on their roster. nevermind that they don't have any bigs off their bench anymore. the fact that the Jazz have barely addressed those needs in the offseason, instead opting to nail down their core guys, making sure they have to be played extensively and filling their roster out with guys that mostly don't look to be on the team past this year also suggests to me that they aren't very much interested in winning. they seem to be looking to add at least one impact guy through next year's draft and have the financial flexibility to do things in next year's free agency, using the upcoming season to evaluate what they have and not caring overly about winning lots of games.

as far as Portland goes, I don't have strong feelings about Stotts either way, but he seemed mostly fine last year. all he has to do, really, is to stay out of the way and not impact things too negatively, which I expects he'll manage (or get fired midway through the season). their starting five has proven to be very good, which isn't surprising given that it's four above-average guys, three of which are capable of operating at or near allstar level, and a solid fifth guy, who will be an improvement over Hickson defensively, at least. they don't have a good defense and the bench is only so-so, but it still might be enough to get them into the playoffs. their competition for the seventh and eighth seed is not going to include the Jazz, though. the locks are SAS, OKC, HOU, LAC, GSW and MEM and then there will be a dogfight between DEN, DAL, PDX, NOLA, MIN and maybe LAL. Utah will be comfortably out of reach in the bottom third of the conference, maybe even its second worst team.

(I know all this is thread derailment and I apologise for that. I'll happily continue the discussion elsewhere, if you want)

Derrick Favors is an unpolished offensive player. He has shown flashes of being an effective post player but nothing that would make me think he can be a go to guy on the offe3nsive side. He is a really, really good defender and changes the game on that end. He is an efficient offensive player so he isn't going to shoot you out of games and he is a monster on the boards. David locke (the Jazz play by play guy) think that Favors will lead the league in rebounds this year.

Enes Kanter is a very skilled offensive player and will be a draw double teams in the post. He is also a very good rebounded and a good post defender. He will either lead the team in scoring or be second to Gordon Hayward.

Gordon Hayward will need to take a step forward on the offensive side of the ball if the Jazz are going to win. He has the skills and the work ethic and he will get the time and the shots to prove him self. Defensively he is very good, especially in transition defense.

The Jazz wont be very deep and they won't score a ton but they will be in a lot of games because they will play good defense and rebound well. I expect them to lose a bunch of close games this year but be competitive almost every night.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Drummond lead the league in rebounding if he gets the minutes (and his minute will certainly go up this year - just remains to be seen how much). Makes me depressed to think we could have had him next to Cuz.

 

[jalfa]

Derrick Favors is an unpolished offensive player. He has shown flashes of being an effective post player but nothing that would make me think he can be a go to guy on the offe3nsive side. He is a really, really good defender and changes the game on that end. He is an efficient offensive player so he isn't going to shoot you out of games and he is a monster on the boards. David locke (the Jazz play by play guy) think that Favors will lead the league in rebounds this year.

Enes Kanter is a very skilled offensive player and will be a draw double teams in the post. He is also a very good rebounded and a good post defender. He will either lead the team in scoring or be second to Gordon Hayward.

Gordon Hayward will need to take a step forward on the offensive side of the ball if the Jazz are going to win. He has the skills and the work ethic and he will get the time and the shots to prove him self. Defensively he is very good, especially in transition defense.

The Jazz wont be very deep and they won't score a ton but they will be in a lot of games because they will play good defense and rebound well. I expect them to lose a bunch of close games this year but be competitive almost every night.

as far as the whole Favors thing goes, someone much smarter and much more articulate than me has already written just about the most extensive scouting report ever on the guy, so I'll just refer to that: http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-t...-derrick-favorss-extension-means-for-the-jazz

as far as the defense thing goes, I'm, again, sceptical. your team wasn't very good last year on that end and while swapping Favors in for Big Al full time should be a considerable upgrade, he'll have to plug a lot of leaks, with both Tinsley/Burke and whoever ends up starting at the SF not projecting to be defensive stalwarts. putting that much of an onus on a guy that has historically struggled with foul trouble isn't exactly a recipe for good defense, nevermind that the bench is likely going to struggle big time on that end. it would surprise me greatly if you guys end up with an above-average defense.

 

[Bricklayer]

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Drummond lead the league in rebounding if he gets the minutes (and his minute will certainly go up this year - just remains to be seen how much). Makes me depressed to think we could have had him next to Cuz.

grrrr....


Grrrrr......


GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dime Dropper]

grrrr....


Grrrrr......


GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He was an absolute beast in pre-season in limited minutes. The thing is, even if he didn't develop into the force that he is now, he was always a freak athlete and a very good defender and shotblocker at Uconn. Even taking into account his poor freshman season, many GMs would have seen him as the best fit/talent to put next to Cuz, regardless of whether he could develop offensively. Unfortunately GP was allergic to shot-blocking, defensive bigs...

 

[VF21]

He was an absolute beast in pre-season in limited minutes. The thing is, even if he didn't develop into the force that he is now, he was always a freak athlete and a very good defender and shotblocker at Uconn. Even taking into account his poor freshman season, many GMs would have seen him as the best fit/talent to put next to Cuz, regardless of whether he could develop offensively. Unfortunately GP was allergic to shot-blocking, defensive bigs...

That's precisely why Brickie is growling.

 

[Dime Dropper]

That's precisely why Brickie is growling.

Ohh, I'm aware of that. I remember Brick was a staunch advocate of Drummond before the draft, which must make his pain even greater!

 

[Gary]

Oh no, you didn't...

I said 'ish!! geeez. No harm meant!

 

[Hadlowe]

Ohh, I'm aware of that. I remember Brick was a staunch advocate of Drummond before the draft, which must make his pain even greater!

I would really hate to cause Brick pain by pointing out that the Kings current lineup could conceivably be Tyreke, McLemore, Kawhi Leonard, Drummond, Cousins. That would be very unkind of me, and so I shall refrain.

 

[Bricklayer]

I would really hate to cause Brick pain by pointing out that the Kings current lineup could conceivably be Tyreke, McLemore, Kawhi Leonard, Drummond, Cousins. That would be very unkind of me, and so I shall refrain.