Cousins Extension agreed upon

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KingMilz

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When you compare this deal to the deals complete scrubs like DeAndre Jordan and overrated role players like Serge Ibaka got this is good value deal. A highly skilled athletic big who is rarely injured relies on size/skill over athletic ability and still has not learned (or been put into position to do so) to play to his strengths (still dominates and commands attention) it's something the Kings just had to do not to mention he's easily one of the most entertaining players in the L(when the teams bad you may as well be entertaining or have 1 player to provide some hope for the future).

When I look at big contracts the first thing I ask is does the player getting the contract has a skillset which can translation into a playoff series and with Cousins I really think he does. To often big contracts are handed out to guys who can only perform during the regular season (Blake Griffin) and once what's important begins they completely fade away because they can no longer do any of those things come playoffs since they don't have the skillset for that brand off basketball.
 
chief bromden

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This is great news for the franchise, and it backs up all the talk from Cousins that he wants to make it work here. Great timing too, as it comes before camp opens - no contract distractions/topics this seasons means that he can concentrate on basketball.
 
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dude12

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The_Jamal said:
This is the kind of player you go down with the ship on. Not Tyreke Evans

Well done FO
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No kidding.......now the job is to see if they get a worthy FA next year at max type money or big contract money that is actually worth it. Not just anyone like Evans but a guy you want to make a difference to play with Cuz.
 
Hallama

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Great move. Had to be done. This allows time for the FO office to build around him and I think the next logical progression will be Cousins @ PF with a shot blocking center next to him. Nice to have stability for once with this team.
 
Capt. Factorial

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Section 101 said:
They can't do an option for 5th year under the CBA.
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There's no reason to believe that there's anything other than a four-year extension here, but are you certain about the CBA not allowing an option for the fifth year? Interestingly, the CBA FAQ seems to be mute on the subject.

A maximum qualifying offer to an RFA can't have any options, but this is not an MQO. Extensions to veteran contracts are explicitly allowed to have an option, but there's no comment either way on extensions to rookie contracts. Now, in order to give a fifth-year team option you'd have to make Cousins the Designated Player, but I don't see anything disallowing an option on the final year of a Designated Player extension. Might be an interesting question for Coon.
 
Kingster

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If they can't build a good team in 4 years, keeping Cousins around isn't going to be on the top of my worry list.

This is a good move for the franchise. If he doesn't turn the corner in his mental/emotional issues, they should be able to trade him for value. If he does turn it around, all the better.
 
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Capt. Factorial said:
There's no reason to believe that there's anything other than a four-year extension here, but are you certain about the CBA not allowing an option for the fifth year? Interestingly, the CBA FAQ seems to be mute on the subject.

A maximum qualifying offer to an RFA can't have any options, but this is not an MQO. Extensions to veteran contracts are explicitly allowed to have an option, but there's no comment either way on extensions to rookie contracts. Now, in order to give a fifth-year team option you'd have to make Cousins the Designated Player, but I don't see anything disallowing an option on the final year of a Designated Player extension. Might be an interesting question for Coon.
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I cant access the FAQ from here, but on rookie contract extensions there are limitations on what years options are available. The 5th year has to be designated since you can only have 1 player with a 5 year extension off a rookie contract.
 
Bosnian Diehard

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Obviously the right decision made by the ownership group. good to see we got him that 'cheap' (obviously 15 mill isn't cheap, but still a argain). I am confident that in four years time, Cousins will have panned out and this will have been a good move.
 
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Kingsfan23 said:
Is Greg Monroe roughly equivalent? I don't see anything concrete for him?
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His situation is a lot different the Pistons just got Josh Smith who will play the SF and if that does not work could mean the Pistons might have to move Monroe (Smiths contract makes his hard to move) in order to pair Smith and Drummond which could be a better pairing chemistry wise. I also don't think Monroe has the same high level potential off Cousins but imo Monroe is a excellent player and a joy to watch and will be a All-Star sooner than later.

The situations are different the Pistons will more likely look to build around Drummond/Smith rather than Monroe (if it works than all 3 of them) so the Pistons will wait to the end of the season to see if they extend Greg, if it goes pear shaped in Detroit they could make a very attractive package of Jennings/Monroe for something like Rondo +filler or something even better I'm not exactly sure. Pistons got flexibility when it comes to talent that the Kings simply don't, Detroit has 4 players who could any given year possibly be All Stars in Jennings, Smith, Monroe and Drummond (bit later in the future) we only have Cousins.
 
Trueblood

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andremiller07 said:
His situation is a lot different the Pistons just got Josh Smith who will play the SF and if that does not work could mean the Pistons might have to move Monroe (Smiths contract makes his hard to move) in order to pair Smith and Drummond which could be a better pairing chemistry wise. I also don't think Monroe has the same high level potential off Cousins but imo Monroe is a excellent player and a joy to watch and will be a All-Star sooner than later.

The situations are different the Pistons will more likely look to build around Drummond/Smith rather than Monroe (if it works than all 3 of them) so the Pistons will wait to the end of the season to see if they extend Greg, if it goes pear shaped in Detroit they could make a very attractive package of Jennings/Monroe for something like Rondo +filler or something even better I'm not exactly sure. Pistons got flexibility when it comes to talent that the Kings simply don't, Detroit has 4 players who could any given year possibly be All Stars in Jennings, Smith, Monroe and Drummond (bit later in the future) we only have Cousins.
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Rondo/Wallace for Jennings/Monroe would be a great move for the Pistons. Get a true SF to take Smoove's spot at the 3 then move Smoove to his natural 4 spot. And of course Rondo is a huge upgrade over Jennings.
 
bajaden

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Capt. Factorial said:
There's no reason to believe that there's anything other than a four-year extension here, but are you certain about the CBA not allowing an option for the fifth year? Interestingly, the CBA FAQ seems to be mute on the subject.

A maximum qualifying offer to an RFA can't have any options, but this is not an MQO. Extensions to veteran contracts are explicitly allowed to have an option, but there's no comment either way on extensions to rookie contracts. Now, in order to give a fifth-year team option you'd have to make Cousins the Designated Player, but I don't see anything disallowing an option on the final year of a Designated Player extension. Might be an interesting question for Coon.
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Your absolutely right. They could have given Cousins five years, but they would have to make him their designated player, of which your only allowed to have one on the team at the same time. Unless you trade for a player that is also a designated player. However, I'm also not sure whether you can make the last year, or any of the years option years if you designate him. I also didn't read anything that said you couldn't.
 
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bajaden said:
Your absolutely right. They could have given Cousins five years, but they would have to make him their designated player, of which your only allowed to have one on the team at the same time. Unless you trade for a player that is also a designated player. However, I'm also not sure whether you can make the last year, or any of the years option years if you designate him. I also didn't read anything that said you couldn't.
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Faq # 59

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q59

Rookie scale contracts may be extended for up to four seasons beyond the last option season in the contract, bringing the total contract length to five seasons. Teams can also select one player (called their "Designated Player") who can receive a five-year extension, bringing the total contract length to six seasons. A team can have at most one player on its roster whom they have designated for a longer extension, plus at most one player designated by another team whom they acquired in trade.
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The salary in the first year of an extension to a rookie scale contract (other than for a team's Designated Player) may be any amount up to the player's maximum. This is usually the 0-6 year maximum, which is based on 25% of the salary cap (see question number 16). However, a player may receive up to the 7-9 year maximum, which is based on 30% of the cap, if he meets any of the following criteria (called the "5th Year 30% Max criteria"):

  • Named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team at least twice
  • Voted as a starter in the All-Star game at least twice
  • Named the NBA Most Valuable Player at least once
The salary in the first year of an extension to a rookie scale contract for a team's Designated Player must be the player's maximum salary. If the player has also met the 5th Year 30% Max criteria, the player's salary may be any amount between the 0-6 year maximum and the 7-9 year maximum.

Since the maximum salaries for the following season are not known at the time the extension is signed, and the player may meet the 5th Year 30% Max Criteria during his fourth season (also after the extension is signed), the following amounts can be specified in lieu of a specific salary:

  • "The Maximum Annual Salary applicable to such player in the first Season of the extended term" (for any player)
  • "XX% of the Salary Cap in effect during the first Season of the extended term," where XX% is between 25% and 30% (if the player has already met the 5th Year 30% Max criteria)
  • "25% of the Salary Cap in effect during the first Season of the extended term, or, if the player meets at least one of the 5th Year 30% Max Criteria during the fourth Season of his Rookie Scale Contract, XX% of the Salary Cap in effect during the first Season of the extended term," where XX% is between 25% and 30% (if the player has not already met the 5th Year 30% Max criteria)
When the first season of the extension arrives and the maximum salaries for that season have been defined, the salaries in the extension are filled-in (or amended downward, if necessary).

Extensions for players signed using the 5th Year 30% Max criteria must be at least four seasons (not including the fourth season of the player's rookie scale contract).

Raises in a rookie scale extension are limited to 7.5% of the salary in the first year of the extension4. If the salary in the first year of the extension is filled-in or amended downward, the salaries in all subsequent seasons are filled-in or amended as well.
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Bricklayer

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Trueblood said:
Rondo/Wallace for Jennings/Monroe would be a great move for the Pistons. Get a true SF to take Smoove's spot at the 3 then move Smoove to his natural 4 spot. And of course Rondo is a huge upgrade over Jennings.
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And of course they potentially blow up the best frontcourt in the league for the next 10 years for what?
 
bajaden

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Capt. Factorial said:
Nothing there says that there cannot be an option (team or player) on the fifth year of a Designated extension.
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Yeah, I agree. I've read this a hundred times. At this point my eyes are burning. But I agree, I didn't read anything in there that says you can't have an option year, team or player option.
 
Section 101

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Capt. Factorial said:
Nothing there says that there cannot be an option (team or player) on the fifth year of a Designated extension.
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But you have to designate the player when they sign the contract.


58. What are option clauses? What kind of option clauses are there?

An option clause allows a contract to be extended for one additional season after the date it is scheduled to end. For example, a three-year contract with an option for the fourth year means that if the option is exercised, then the contract extends through the fourth season, but if the option is not exercised, then the contract ends after the third season. Once exercised, an option cannot be revoked (for example, a player cannot invoke an option on June 20 and change his mind on June 25). Conditional options are not allowed -- the availability of the option may not be contingent on some condition, such as the number of games the team wins or the player's points per game1.


There are three types of options:

  • Team Options give the team the right to invoke the option. There can be only one option year (except in the case of rookie scale contracts).
  • Player Options give the player the right to invoke the option. There can be only one option year.
  • Player Early Termination Options (ETOs) give the player the right to terminate the contract early. An ETO can't occur prior to the end of fourth season of the contract (which implies that the contract must be for five seasons). An ETO is not allowed in a veteran extension (see question number 59).
A contract may not contain more than one option in the same season (for example, the last season cannot contain both a player option and a team option). In fact, a contract may not contain more than one option at all, with the following two exceptions:

  • A rookie scale contract for a first round draft pick contains a team option before both the third and fourth seasons. No other options are permitted in rookie scale contracts. See question number 49 for more information.
  • Under the previous CBA a six-year contract could contain an ETO prior to the fifth season and an option (player or team) prior to the sixth season. Since six-year contracts are not permitted under the current CBA, this is no longer possible. Only Chris Bosh, LeBron James and Dwyane Wade (each with an ETO in 2014 and a player option in 2015) remain with both an ETO and a player option.
Here's a summary of the differences between an option and an ETO:

  • Options can be included in any multiyear contract, but ETOs are allowed only with five-year contracts.
  • Options can be held by the player or the team, but ETOs are always held by the player (i.e., there's no such thing as a team Early Termination Option).
  • Option years may not have a lower salary than the previous season. ETOs have no such restriction.
  • A contract with a player option can be extended (see question number 59) when the option is not exercised. A contract with an ETO may not be extended if the ETO is exercised.
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http://www.nba.com/kings/kings-livestream-coverage

Demarcus Press conference.

Cliff Notes-

-Vivek and PDA knew from day 1 Cousins was foundation of team.

-Shaq and Cousins have been talking every day. Not talking about on-court stuff, but off-court

-Cousins has taken steps forward with leadership role. Leading the voluntary workouts over off-season and getting on guys for not showing up or practicing hard enough.

-Cousins not worried about if wins don't come right away. He knows everyone on the right path now and that it will eventually lead to wins.

-He's donating $1 million to Sacramento and also Kevin Johnson's charity.

All in all, very, very cool. It's clear as day that this is the first time DeMarcus feels like the team is actually on his side and rooting for him to succeed.
 
Glenn

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The_Jamal said:
http://www.nba.com/kings/kings-livestream-coverage


All in all, very, very cool. It's clear as day that this is the first time DeMarcus feels like the team is actually on his side and rooting for him to succeed.
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The FO can say all they wish about what they like about Boogie but there is nothing like a huge contract to cement his expected leadership in a very concrete way . (Is there a pun in there somewhere?) Anyway, Boogie seems to be the kind of guy who takes this seriously, so far, and not a contract that is part of his birth right. His contract comes with it a lot of responsibility and he feels it.
 
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