Offseason Kings Thoughts, What's Next?
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My thoughts on what's next are, what the hell is next? Mbah was the only decent move we've made and he still has to prove he's starting material. We heard when Reke's contract was declined and we acquired Vasquez, and a number of fans flipped their lid, that relax, it's only July 4th. Then it was it's only July 5th. Then it was only July 7th. Well, it's now Aug 3rd and the only other change we've made is add Landry which did nothing to solve any of our weaknesses and simply clogged our PF rotation while eating cap room.
And I thought people were confident we'd be able to move some players and get some talent in return. Yet, nothing. This off season thus far is a fantastic failure when it comes to basketball related decisions. I don't consider the purchase of the team as part of the off season as it was pre draft and pre free agency. Has nothing to do with PDA and our FO's decisions anyway. But we're now to Aug 3rd and are no closer to solving a single issue.
As of right now I'm very happy Vivek bought the team and the Kings are staying, but aside from seeing if Cuz turns into a legit All Star and one of the top players in the league and being curious to see the impact Malone will have, there's nothing about this roster or team to be excited about. Looks pretty much the same as last year, minus a 2nd option, more congested in both the backcourt and frontcourt and less defense potential along with no cap space. Malone should be able to squeeze out 7-10 more wins simply by not being the idiot Smart was and we might get a few more depending on Cuz's greatness. But the actual roster hasn't improved nor has the FO cleared out congestion or solved any of our glaring issues.
And I thought people were confident we'd be able to move some players and get some talent in return. Yet, nothing. This off season thus far is a fantastic failure when it comes to basketball related decisions. I don't consider the purchase of the team as part of the off season as it was pre draft and pre free agency. Has nothing to do with PDA and our FO's decisions anyway. But we're now to Aug 3rd and are no closer to solving a single issue.
As of right now I'm very happy Vivek bought the team and the Kings are staying, but aside from seeing if Cuz turns into a legit All Star and one of the top players in the league and being curious to see the impact Malone will have, there's nothing about this roster or team to be excited about. Looks pretty much the same as last year, minus a 2nd option, more congested in both the backcourt and frontcourt and less defense potential along with no cap space. Malone should be able to squeeze out 7-10 more wins simply by not being the idiot Smart was and we might get a few more depending on Cuz's greatness. But the actual roster hasn't improved nor has the FO cleared out congestion or solved any of our glaring issues.
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I was all for the Landry signing since I thought there was going to be another move made after. But atm that signing is looking crap, I still think he's our best PF but we still have not got a starting level SF and we still got log jams at positions with average talent at best. Hopefully they try pull something out of the hat and get a decent SF who can defend and space the floor.
Note: I've moved the fascinating discussion of soccer to its own thread.
Pretty much how I feel about this offseason as well.
However, I actually think Vasquez is going to be a big positive moving forward. We havent had a starting caliber PG since Beno, and he was borderline. Its just too bad we had to lose Reke (which I think was a major mistake) to get Vasquez. If we had acquired him in a way that didnt involve ditching our second best player, I think we'd have more people hyped on him.
But yeah, taken as a whole, the Mbah move is the only one I'm 100 percent OK with. Losing Reke sucked, signing Landry sucked, the lack of anything else moving foward is concerning...But time will tell. Its not like we have great trade pieces though.
However, I actually think Vasquez is going to be a big positive moving forward. We havent had a starting caliber PG since Beno, and he was borderline. Its just too bad we had to lose Reke (which I think was a major mistake) to get Vasquez. If we had acquired him in a way that didnt involve ditching our second best player, I think we'd have more people hyped on him.
But yeah, taken as a whole, the Mbah move is the only one I'm 100 percent OK with. Losing Reke sucked, signing Landry sucked, the lack of anything else moving foward is concerning...But time will tell. Its not like we have great trade pieces though.
I haven't really chimed in on this topic, but to answer the title of this thread of what's next... I can only say who knows! I doubt even PDA really knows what's going to happen next. No shotblocker (though Cousins saying he needs one has given me some hope) and no clear SF (moute starting seems likely at this point). I wish we picked up Iggy, but we didn't so now we are stuck. I have no clue of what might happen next. I am hoping we clear up the PF issue ASAP.
Not everything can be done in 1 off-season. And there really weren't any impact SF's or Shotblockers in the FA market.
After the Iggy situation, AK47 was the only quality guy left. And he obviously had every intention of going to play for BK.
As far as defensive bigs go, the FA market was incredibly barren after Howard. I've had a man-crush on Brandan Wright, but there simply wasn't a lot to choose from FA wise.
Trades also take awhile to develop
After the Iggy situation, AK47 was the only quality guy left. And he obviously had every intention of going to play for BK.
As far as defensive bigs go, the FA market was incredibly barren after Howard. I've had a man-crush on Brandan Wright, but there simply wasn't a lot to choose from FA wise.
Trades also take awhile to develop
I swear the kings and especially dmc are soo underrated in that ####### game its maddening. I can see the Kings roster being playable in the new 2k.
1.Vasquez (distributor who can shoot) and IT a speed demon scorer
2. MT/Jimmer (scorers) and if you ever play with MT you know he can catch fire late and is flat out clutch.
3.Luc (defensive & rebs) Salmons (overall okay)
4. Patterson/Landry (good players Landry can get rebs while Patterson spreads the floor)
5. CUZ (beast) and JT (runs the court well and can rebs and score)
Notable: Hayes can make plays on D and can score under the rim if the defense doubles & Jimmer is a GREAT distraction because nobody wants him to get pts on them they overplay him and the jury is still out on the rook.
1.Vasquez (distributor who can shoot) and IT a speed demon scorer
2. MT/Jimmer (scorers) and if you ever play with MT you know he can catch fire late and is flat out clutch.
3.Luc (defensive & rebs) Salmons (overall okay)
4. Patterson/Landry (good players Landry can get rebs while Patterson spreads the floor)
5. CUZ (beast) and JT (runs the court well and can rebs and score)
Notable: Hayes can make plays on D and can score under the rim if the defense doubles & Jimmer is a GREAT distraction because nobody wants him to get pts on them they overplay him and the jury is still out on the rook.
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That is easily three of the "most" things I've seen in recent drunken history: 1) Cutest (look at the hilarious, cute kangaroo being relentless); 2) cruel (it's cruel that they're provoking an otherwise harmless animal, but at least it's not anything more sinister); 3) funny - the whole set up is completely ridiculous. Not funny in an intelligent way, just funny, well, just because. Now it's time to sleep. Time for us non-Americans to get some sleep
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BTW, on a semi related note, I'm taking the opportunity to brag about my tiny nations prowess in being tough, physical athletes who punch way above their weight through heart and physical toughness and mental strength. Posting this because of the Aussie connection, all the Aussie posters here will know exactly what I'm talking about when I talk about the Aussie rules game, which has been banned the last few years because it just turned into a bloodbath. I was lucky enough to witness probably the most violent one ever a few years ago when I was a teeneged kid in Dublin, was awesome to see. It's a far more entertaining watch than "soccer" for you guys, even if I have major problems with our sport (I'll get into that if anyones actually interested, which I doubt).
Worth a watch for guys like Brick and others who may have preconceived notions about non-US athletes (BTW, all the Irish guys are amateur who breathe sport) [/patriotism]
Also, when you American boys are ready to take off the pads and play with the "soft Euros", come talk to me. (This is said mostly tongue in cheek because I happen to love American Football and know the athletes you have, but theres seriously a world of "Euro" sport out there that you guys have no idea about ) I'm happy to help anyone that wants to find out more. From my experiences in the US, it's unbelievable how different the cultures are. I absolutely love the US and everything about it and I know I'll be back there, but being completely honest, I know who I'd want in the trenches with me when it comes to the average clean-cut American or the typical European (which is an impossible term given the diversity of Europe (and indeed the US), but there's definitely a hardy steeliness in most European countries that doesn't exist (and to be fair probably isn't necessary) in many Americans. Not a criticism, because I love the US, and that's genuined. But I digress. This post might also be suited more to another thread, sorry mods for the extra work!
One more BTW, Glenn MAY know what he's watching here... Maybe not.
Worth a watch for guys like Brick and others who may have preconceived notions about non-US athletes (BTW, all the Irish guys are amateur who breathe sport) [/patriotism]
Also, when you American boys are ready to take off the pads and play with the "soft Euros", come talk to me. (This is said mostly tongue in cheek because I happen to love American Football and know the athletes you have, but theres seriously a world of "Euro" sport out there that you guys have no idea about
) I'm happy to help anyone that wants to find out more. From my experiences in the US, it's unbelievable how different the cultures are. I absolutely love the US and everything about it and I know I'll be back there, but being completely honest, I know who I'd want in the trenches with me when it comes to the average clean-cut American or the typical European (which is an impossible term given the diversity of Europe (and indeed the US), but there's definitely a hardy steeliness in most European countries that doesn't exist (and to be fair probably isn't necessary) in many Americans. Not a criticism, because I love the US, and that's genuined. But I digress. This post might also be suited more to another thread, sorry mods for the extra work!One more BTW, Glenn MAY know what he's watching here... Maybe not.
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BTW, on a semi related note, I'm taking the opportunity to brag about my tiny nations prowess in being tough, physical athletes who punch way above their weight through heart and physical toughness and mental strength. Posting this because of the Aussie connection, all the Aussie posters here will know exactly what I'm talking about when I talk about the Aussie rules game, which has been banned the last few years because it just turned into a bloodbath. I was lucky enough to witness probably the most violent one ever a few years ago when I was a teeneged kid in Dublin, was awesome to see. It's a far more entertaining watch than "soccer" for you guys, even if I have major problems with our sport (I'll get into that if anyones actually interested, which I doubt).
Worth a watch for guys like Brick and others who may have preconceived notions about non-US athletes (BTW, all the Irish guys are amateur who breathe sport) [/patriotism]
Also, when you American boys are ready to take off the pads and play with the "soft Euros", come talk to me. (This is said mostly tongue in cheek because I happen to love American Football and know the athletes you have, but theres seriously a world of "Euro" sport out there that you guys have no idea about ) I'm happy to help anyone that wants to find out more. From my experiences in the US, it's unbelievable how different the cultures are. I absolutely love the US and everything about it and I know I'll be back there, but being completely honest, I know who I'd want in the trenches with me when it comes to the average clean-cut American or the typical European (which is an impossible term given the diversity of Europe (and indeed the US), but there's definitely a hardy steeliness in most European countries that doesn't exist (and to be fair probably isn't necessary) in many Americans. Not a criticism, because I love the US, and that's genuined. But I digress. This post might also be suited more to another thread, sorry mods for the extra work!
One more BTW, Glenn MAY know what he's watching here... Maybe not.
Worth a watch for guys like Brick and others who may have preconceived notions about non-US athletes (BTW, all the Irish guys are amateur who breathe sport) [/patriotism]
Also, when you American boys are ready to take off the pads and play with the "soft Euros", come talk to me. (This is said mostly tongue in cheek because I happen to love American Football and know the athletes you have, but theres seriously a world of "Euro" sport out there that you guys have no idea about
) I'm happy to help anyone that wants to find out more. From my experiences in the US, it's unbelievable how different the cultures are. I absolutely love the US and everything about it and I know I'll be back there, but being completely honest, I know who I'd want in the trenches with me when it comes to the average clean-cut American or the typical European (which is an impossible term given the diversity of Europe (and indeed the US), but there's definitely a hardy steeliness in most European countries that doesn't exist (and to be fair probably isn't necessary) in many Americans. Not a criticism, because I love the US, and that's genuined. But I digress. This post might also be suited more to another thread, sorry mods for the extra work!One more BTW, Glenn MAY know what he's watching here... Maybe not.
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I'm pretty sure you skimmed over my post and responded without thinking, because almost nothing in it has anything to do with soccer (I may have mentioned it once, not sure). It's actually about a completely different sport, which actually competes (and strongly dislikes soccer, hence one of my problems with my national sport) against it, so I'm bemused! But if in fact you did watch the video and still came away thinking a) it's soccer and b) it's not entertaining... Well, then... this is where I'm speechless.
Worth a watch for guys like Brick and others who may have preconceived notions about non-US athletes (BTW, all the Irish guys are amateur who breathe sport) [/patriotism]
Also, when you American boys are ready to take off the pads and play with the "soft Euros", come talk to me. (This is said mostly tongue in cheek because I happen to love American Football and know the athletes you have, but theres seriously a world of "Euro" sport out there that you guys have no idea about ) I'm happy to help anyone that wants to find out more. From my experiences in the US, it's unbelievable how different the cultures are. I absolutely love the US and everything about it and I know I'll be back there, but being completely honest, I know who I'd want in the trenches with me when it comes to the average clean-cut American or the typical European (which is an impossible term given the diversity of Europe (and indeed the US), but there's definitely a hardy steeliness in most European countries that doesn't exist (and to be fair probably isn't necessary) in many Americans. Not a criticism, because I love the US, and that's genuined. But I digress. This post might also be suited more to another thread, sorry mods for the extra work!
One more BTW, Glenn MAY know what he's watching here... Maybe not.
Also, when you American boys are ready to take off the pads and play with the "soft Euros", come talk to me. (This is said mostly tongue in cheek because I happen to love American Football and know the athletes you have, but theres seriously a world of "Euro" sport out there that you guys have no idea about
) I'm happy to help anyone that wants to find out more. From my experiences in the US, it's unbelievable how different the cultures are. I absolutely love the US and everything about it and I know I'll be back there, but being completely honest, I know who I'd want in the trenches with me when it comes to the average clean-cut American or the typical European (which is an impossible term given the diversity of Europe (and indeed the US), but there's definitely a hardy steeliness in most European countries that doesn't exist (and to be fair probably isn't necessary) in many Americans. Not a criticism, because I love the US, and that's genuined. But I digress. This post might also be suited more to another thread, sorry mods for the extra work!One more BTW, Glenn MAY know what he's watching here... Maybe not.
Also, let us not forget that in the Southern Hemisphere there are some tough guys also.
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That, the stocking of average talent, is what makes trades such a long shot. No one is knocking on our door trying to steal away jimmer, IT, salmons, Hayes, outlaw, or JT. JT is the only one in the group who makes what he's worth, except he has almost no upside. He just is what he is, painfully average. Teams aren't looking to acquire avg players with lengthy contracts. We seem to go out of our way to find those guys (Landry).
That was the original point of my post. Who is even tradeable? At this point, unless a buyout is involved, outlaw and Hayes seem like dead ends. Which makes trading IT tough, cause he makes so little, that to get any value back, he'd have to be paired with one of those guys. Salmons might be the most tradeable with an expiring contract. There remains the small problem that he sucks out loud at this point. And frankly, an expiring contract is just as valuable to us as anyone else.
Decent sf that can defend and space the floor? Yeah,they got mbah a moute. I think I said somewhere else, he's half of what we needed (the defending part). His offense is pretty much non existent though. But, THAT'S the move. There's nothing else coming. And the shot blocking pf? Carl Landry. Yeah, he's not a shot blocker. But that's where the money went. What else can you say?
That was the original point of my post. Who is even tradeable? At this point, unless a buyout is involved, outlaw and Hayes seem like dead ends. Which makes trading IT tough, cause he makes so little, that to get any value back, he'd have to be paired with one of those guys. Salmons might be the most tradeable with an expiring contract. There remains the small problem that he sucks out loud at this point. And frankly, an expiring contract is just as valuable to us as anyone else.
Decent sf that can defend and space the floor? Yeah,they got mbah a moute. I think I said somewhere else, he's half of what we needed (the defending part). His offense is pretty much non existent though. But, THAT'S the move. There's nothing else coming. And the shot blocking pf? Carl Landry. Yeah, he's not a shot blocker. But that's where the money went. What else can you say?
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It has not been that good a offseason than, seeing how cheap Brandon Jennings got signed 24mil over 3years hell we could have just kept Reke signed Brandon and traded Ben Mclemore for a SF but again hindsight is 20/20 but to me other than Vasquez unless we make another major move by some miracle the offseason has not been good at all. I love Landry and Luke Richard but we didn't need Landry unless we are trading away the other PF's and Luke Richard is a smarter James Johnson who I will like but again he's a back up who will kill the floor spacing and make it easier for teams to pack in on Cousins.
I was thinking about Granger but the Pacers just signed Scola and a back up PG meaning they don't need Thompson or Thomas making a move impossible unless they want Thornton which I doubt. To me you would only make the Landry signing if you already knew another deal was going down where you were going to move some pieces (PF's and SG's) I was convinced that was the case. But that was clearly not the case at all which kind of makes me now question well wtf is the front office doing?
I was thinking about Granger but the Pacers just signed Scola and a back up PG meaning they don't need Thompson or Thomas making a move impossible unless they want Thornton which I doubt. To me you would only make the Landry signing if you already knew another deal was going down where you were going to move some pieces (PF's and SG's) I was convinced that was the case. But that was clearly not the case at all which kind of makes me now question well wtf is the front office doing?
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BTW, on a semi related note, I'm taking the opportunity to brag about my tiny nations prowess in being tough, physical athletes who punch way above their weight through heart and physical toughness and mental strength. Posting this because of the Aussie connection, all the Aussie posters here will know exactly what I'm talking about when I talk about the Aussie rules game, which has been banned the last few years because it just turned into a bloodbath. I was lucky enough to witness probably the most violent one ever a few years ago when I was a teeneged kid in Dublin, was awesome to see. It's a far more entertaining watch than "soccer" for you guys, even if I have major problems with our sport (I'll get into that if anyones actually interested, which I doubt).
Worth a watch for guys like Brick and others who may have preconceived notions about non-US athletes (BTW, all the Irish guys are amateur who breathe sport) [/patriotism]
Also, when you American boys are ready to take off the pads and play with the "soft Euros", come talk to me. (This is said mostly tongue in cheek because I happen to love American Football and know the athletes you have, but theres seriously a world of "Euro" sport out there that you guys have no idea about ) I'm happy to help anyone that wants to find out more. From my experiences in the US, it's unbelievable how different the cultures are. I absolutely love the US and everything about it and I know I'll be back there, but being completely honest, I know who I'd want in the trenches with me when it comes to the average clean-cut American or the typical European (which is an impossible term given the diversity of Europe (and indeed the US), but there's definitely a hardy steeliness in most European countries that doesn't exist (and to be fair probably isn't necessary) in many Americans. Not a criticism, because I love the US, and that's genuined. But I digress. This post might also be suited more to another thread, sorry mods for the extra work!
One more BTW, Glenn MAY know what he's watching here... Maybe not.
Worth a watch for guys like Brick and others who may have preconceived notions about non-US athletes (BTW, all the Irish guys are amateur who breathe sport) [/patriotism]
Also, when you American boys are ready to take off the pads and play with the "soft Euros", come talk to me. (This is said mostly tongue in cheek because I happen to love American Football and know the athletes you have, but theres seriously a world of "Euro" sport out there that you guys have no idea about
) I'm happy to help anyone that wants to find out more. From my experiences in the US, it's unbelievable how different the cultures are. I absolutely love the US and everything about it and I know I'll be back there, but being completely honest, I know who I'd want in the trenches with me when it comes to the average clean-cut American or the typical European (which is an impossible term given the diversity of Europe (and indeed the US), but there's definitely a hardy steeliness in most European countries that doesn't exist (and to be fair probably isn't necessary) in many Americans. Not a criticism, because I love the US, and that's genuined. But I digress. This post might also be suited more to another thread, sorry mods for the extra work!One more BTW, Glenn MAY know what he's watching here... Maybe not.
I still prefer the real stuff over the hybrid game of International Rules. Irish are not up to it. The moment they complained that Aussies tackled too hard, it was time to put the cue in the rack.
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