Offseason Kings Thoughts, What's Next?
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While I generally agree with the sentiment that Cousins has incredible skills I don't think that they translate as well as the other players you mention. Ewing, for example could get a good shot off in the low post at any time he wanted Demarcus can't and I am not sure he will ever be able to. Ewing couldn't dribble the length of the floor and go around guys like DMC can but given the choice between the 2 skills I would pick Ewings every day.
They have different games. DMC is a far better shooter. That allows him to occasionally face up and often beat his man off the dribble. Cousins is also a far better passer, and we are talking right now, that punishes defenses for doubling. Even if Cuz only averages 22/12 but has 4-5 asst, that puts him up in that elite class in terms of production. Ewing was simply a great one v. one post player (and defender of course).
But you have to see how the put pressure on defenses (at least potentially) in different ways to accurately evaluate.
But you have to see how the put pressure on defenses (at least potentially) in different ways to accurately evaluate.
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The Landry signing.
I scratched my head in utter disbelief when it happened. And up to now the signing just doesn't make sense. The price is too high, length of the contract is too long, and he does not fit into our plan of putting premium in defense. If it was the burned-out Petrie who did the signing I probably would understand.
My friend once told me there could be some corruption or monkey business in the NBA between GMs and players. He said something like this: Guys, sign me for this much money for this long and I'll give you 10% commission under the table. I told my friend it is not probable, but now I am beginning to lean towards believing him.
I scratched my head in utter disbelief when it happened. And up to now the signing just doesn't make sense. The price is too high, length of the contract is too long, and he does not fit into our plan of putting premium in defense. If it was the burned-out Petrie who did the signing I probably would understand.
My friend once told me there could be some corruption or monkey business in the NBA between GMs and players. He said something like this: Guys, sign me for this much money for this long and I'll give you 10% commission under the table. I told my friend it is not probable, but now I am beginning to lean towards believing him.
In other news. Evans pops up as one of the worst moves of the offseason. For the pelicans. I hated to see him go, but maybe in the end we were right. It was just too much money (although I think he would have stayed here for less if we'd shown an ounce of interest in him). From ESPN:
"McNeill: New Orleans signing Tyreke Evans. It's hard to judge Evans because of the mess he dealt with in Sacramento, but I'm not convinced he's worth the money the Pelicans threw at him. I also have little idea how he'll fit with Eric Gordon and Jrue Holiday."
"Lynch: The Pelicans' addition of Tyreke Evans after nabbing Jrue Holiday was a pas de deux of surprise. It was shocking enough when New Orleans parlayed its sixth overall pick into Holiday. Bringing Evans and his $11 million salary on board, when his role is still undefined, doubled down on the confusion."
"McNeill: New Orleans signing Tyreke Evans. It's hard to judge Evans because of the mess he dealt with in Sacramento, but I'm not convinced he's worth the money the Pelicans threw at him. I also have little idea how he'll fit with Eric Gordon and Jrue Holiday."
"Lynch: The Pelicans' addition of Tyreke Evans after nabbing Jrue Holiday was a pas de deux of surprise. It was shocking enough when New Orleans parlayed its sixth overall pick into Holiday. Bringing Evans and his $11 million salary on board, when his role is still undefined, doubled down on the confusion."
That's just plain silly. "Dear employer: Please pay me more money than you think I am worth, and I will return some of it secretly. This benefits me in no way whatsoever. Thanks, Your employee." 
Which all the info was common knowledge of course. But seeing your "45% chance he would succeed" post as well I was wondering if you saw something that most of us didn't see. McCallum isn't really a special player imo. He has a good chance at making the team but he's currently behind two better PGs so I don't think he will even dress much, if at all. We will probably be seeing him in Reno for part of the year. Now all that can change with injuries of course, but at this point I didn't see anything in summer league that I didn't see in many other players.
I do think that you have to take into consideration that he had offers from UCLA, Mich, and several other top schools in the nation. He was a McDonalds all american, and one of the top ranked highschool PG's in the nation. The very fact that he committed to his father at Detroit, and that now, people like you are questioning his abilities because of it, should make his decision more impressive. Had he gone to one of the major schools, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.
I was impressed with him at summer league. I'll admit that I only saw him play three times this year at Detroit. Some of the mid-level schools are on more than others because of recent success. Teams like Lehigh, and Bucknell. Hell, even South Dakota St. and North Texas St. were on more then Detroit. But if you constantly check the guides, you'll stumble across them. If your a pass first PG on a mid-level team, its a lot harder to make a splash than if your a scoring PG, like C.J. McCullum. Especially if you only have one player on the team that might get consideration for the NBA.
I was impressed with him at summer league. I'll admit that I only saw him play three times this year at Detroit. Some of the mid-level schools are on more than others because of recent success. Teams like Lehigh, and Bucknell. Hell, even South Dakota St. and North Texas St. were on more then Detroit. But if you constantly check the guides, you'll stumble across them. If your a pass first PG on a mid-level team, its a lot harder to make a splash than if your a scoring PG, like C.J. McCullum. Especially if you only have one player on the team that might get consideration for the NBA.
I agree that we do have to look at his offers from mich and ucla, but I don't really think anyone has seen enough of the kid outside of the NIT game, summer league, and some clips online (except for you with the three games?)
I saw part of one game, and some summer league. He has potential, but he hasn't really impressed me enough to think he will get any time over IT or GV. Right now he's probably on the "3 piece suit patrol" behind the bench. I hope he succeeds though! It would be nice to finally have some size at our guard positions.
I saw part of one game, and some summer league. He has potential, but he hasn't really impressed me enough to think he will get any time over IT or GV. Right now he's probably on the "3 piece suit patrol" behind the bench. I hope he succeeds though! It would be nice to finally have some size at our guard positions.
If MLM is scoring a lot of that will probably be from Vasquez. So hopefully if Vasquez is doing well and his D isn't terrible we could look at keeping him as well so we wouldn't have to go after Rondo. This year will be a huge test for Rondo as well.
I really like Rondo though and would love him on the Kings.
I really like Rondo though and would love him on the Kings.
I have a suspicion that Rondo is a really, really difficult person to get along with. I haven't read anything that specifically said that, although I know that he and Ray Allen apparently had some issues. Having said that, here's a blurb from Bill Simmons on the idea.
Of course, keep in mind that Simmons is a complete Celtics homer and has been using the Kings as suckers in hypothetical trades in his pieces for many years.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9522281/the-nba-midnight-run-part-2
Look, I may or may not have been wasting inordinate amounts of time this summer on ESPN's Trade Machine making up fake Rondo trades. With Detroit out, one other Rondo suitor makes sense: the Kings. They're rebooting around a new arena, a new owner whom everyone loves (Vivek Ranadivé), a rejuvenated Boogie Cousins (at least that's the hope), and the chance to play an entire season without a Maloof involved. What about Rondo, Wallace's $30.3 million basketball cadaver and Jordan Crawford's expiring for Ben McLemore, the John Salmons–Patrick Patterson expirings, Greivis Vasquez, Jimmer Fredette and an unprotected no. 1 pick in 2014? (Thinking.) You're right, I need to get off the Trade Machine.
Of course, keep in mind that Simmons is a complete Celtics homer and has been using the Kings as suckers in hypothetical trades in his pieces for many years.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9522281/the-nba-midnight-run-part-2
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First of all, obligatory "What do you mean, you people?" [/TropicThunder]
Second of all, I never "questioned his abilities," or said anything of the sort. What I said was, if he passed up the chance to be the #1 Option at UCLA to be the #3 Option at Detroit, so that he could play for his dad, that's something to be lauded and impressed over. If he passed on the opportunity to be the #3 Option at UCLA to be the #3 Option at Detroit, that is also something to be lauded. If he even passed up the opportunity to be the #1 Option at Michigan to be the #1 Option at Detroit, then that's something to be lauded and impressed over, too. But, if he turned down being a little fish in a big pond, so that he could be the big fish in a goldfish bowl then, yeah... my "impressed" meter is hovering around zero.
Second of all, I never "questioned his abilities," or said anything of the sort. What I said was, if he passed up the chance to be the #1 Option at UCLA to be the #3 Option at Detroit, so that he could play for his dad, that's something to be lauded and impressed over. If he passed on the opportunity to be the #3 Option at UCLA to be the #3 Option at Detroit, that is also something to be lauded. If he even passed up the opportunity to be the #1 Option at Michigan to be the #1 Option at Detroit, then that's something to be lauded and impressed over, too. But, if he turned down being a little fish in a big pond, so that he could be the big fish in a goldfish bowl then, yeah... my "impressed" meter is hovering around zero.
Turned out ok for Delle Donne...
A for A swaps are virtuous. C for C swaps are virtuous. A for C swaps are eyeroll worthy.
I agree that we do have to look at his offers from mich and ucla, but I don't really think anyone has seen enough of the kid outside of the NIT game, summer league, and some clips online (except for you with the three games?)
I saw part of one game, and some summer league. He has potential, but he hasn't really impressed me enough to think he will get any time over IT or GV. Right now he's probably on the "3 piece suit patrol" behind the bench. I hope he succeeds though! It would be nice to finally have some size at our guard positions.
I saw part of one game, and some summer league. He has potential, but he hasn't really impressed me enough to think he will get any time over IT or GV. Right now he's probably on the "3 piece suit patrol" behind the bench. I hope he succeeds though! It would be nice to finally have some size at our guard positions.
Add in that IT is a restricted freeagent at seasons end, and he' likely to want a substantial raise, and I don't blame him. Along with IT, Vasquez will also be expecting more money. I don't see them retaining both, with McCallum under contract and very cheap. They could let IT walk if they don't trade him. They could also let Jimmer walk if they want, because his contract for the next year is a team option. There's a lot of flexability there, especially if they want to target a certain freeagent, and they need to clear capspace. I'm getting a little ahead of myself, but anyway I look at it, I see McCallum being a part of the future, and therefore he's likely to get minutes.