You're Pete, and get a call from Detroit Dec 22
- Thread starter Iced Espresso
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jdbraver
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So was Rudy Gay...
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jdbraver
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JT is playing on the upper cusp of his ability, he will fall back to earth soon.
Huh?
JT this year is shooting .125 points lower from the field than his career average, free throws .150 points below his career average, his points per game are well under half of his career average, and he's getting one fewer rebound, all in essentially the same minutes. Statistically he is doing the worst he has ever done. The only thing he's doing well is playing defense, and it's not like he's going to "start missing" on that.
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jdbraver
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He will start getting back to bad habits. Like slapping at the ball and playing D with his hands. He does this now just isn't getting called like normal.
Rudy didn't have 3 years on his deal nor was his athleticism in major decline while not having an ideal position.
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jdbraver
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The guy is only barely 29. His athleticism will hold up 3 years.
kingsnation
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Augustin makes the deal for me. He is a top notch 6th man PG who can spot start if needed.
Iced Espresso
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One thing I'm curious about is for those that make the move. Who do you send out? JT or Landry?
Well it hadn't held up that well the last 2 so not sure what you're banking on.
I think people are confusing the gay/smith reclamation projects. Gay was asked to carry a scoring load which highlighted bad offensive habits and decreased his effeciency. Outside of that, moving him into a complimentary scorer role was a huge help. Smith takes bad shots and makes bonehead plays even though his coaches beg him not to. His personality and decision making have been in question for years and his diminishing athleticism doesn't cover for some of his mental lapses.
Where gay was a calculated risk, his contract was shorter, his role clearer and the parts exchanged more easily lost.
We need to tread carefully here.
Here's a scary thought to consider. Dj has been less consistent in his career than sessions.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
He came into the league at 18 so he's already logged 11 NBA seasons.
No matter who you are, that's gonna take a toll on your athletic ability.
ockingsfan
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You would have to send out Landry. No deal if JT had to be included. JT would be the ideal 3rd big on a playoff team. He can back up DMC and JSmith.
Kings send Detroit: Landry, DWill, Sessions
Detroit sends Kings: Josh Smith and DJ Agustin.
Kings do it to get the legitimate 3rd option in JSmoove. Hopefully DMC and Gay can keep him straight and him moving back to Power Forward on the Kings will help him find his groove again. He has been a two way player his whole career until he got to Detroit and they tried to change him into a small forward. DJ Augustin gives kings a backup PG they thought they had with Sessions
Detroit would do it to get out of the bad contract and a bad fit for them. Landry gives them offense, which is what they need right now in their 3rd big. DWill will get a final chance to show he belongs in the league. Sessions has proven capable while playing in the Eastern conference before.
Heck, I would do it even if we don't exchange PG in this trade.
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Kingster
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I'd talk to Detroit about other players on their roster; not Smith. Has anybody seen enough Detroit games to analyze why they are doing so poorly? The fact that they put together this dysfunctional group could mean they just don't know what the heck they are doing, which could be a very good thing for a trading partner.
Glenn
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jdbraver
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I know there are some JT homers, but come on Smith is clearly more talented. Even w half his original athleticism he is the better player. The Kings will not get a better player in FA. Sorry but Sac is still not a premier FA market. If you can get talent for a career backup you do it.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I ask this in all seriousness, have you watched either guy play over the last two years?
Kingster
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SwishKing
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I ask this in all seriousness, have you? Josh Smith is EASILY more talented than JT has ever been. Yeah, he's had a few rough years, but JT has been mediocre his entire career and is just now turning into a decent defensive player (still not great). Josh Smith is a better scorer, better rebounder, better passer, and even a better shot blocker than JT. The only thing JT has on Smith is length.
randymoss1881
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Then why is his PER below average and why is he shooting 36% from 2. JT is a better fit with the staters and you don't trade him for smith period. They take landry/DWill/ray or we move on
SwishKing
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I'm not necessarily saying we need to trade JT for Smith, or that Smith would be a better fit than JT. I'm just saying Josh is EASILY the better basketball player, and I think most people would agree with that (maybe not).
JT's shooting the same pct as Josh Smith btw, and that's mostly from right under the basket.
randymoss1881
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Oh alright I thought you were comparing the two as in we should trade JT but ya agree he is more talented but don't trade JT.
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jdbraver
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You have to give to get. I'm sure they can find JT type talent for Smith. Yes smiths trade value is low, but not that low.
ockingsfan
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Smith's value is really low. Not many GM's would have the green light to trade for the 3 years / $42 million left on his contract. PDA is one of the few teams with both the will and owner support to make such a trade.
The kings are a very borderline playoff team in the west and they still need to take one more leap of faith to break into solid playoff team territory.
If its Landry and dwill for j smith I think you have to do it. As team stands now, it will be #7-10 seed every year in the west. With j smith we could be an upper echelon team, #4-6 seed playoff team.
randymoss1881
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If that's the case id rather keep JT. I think it's harder than you make it seem to get JT skill set of playing spectacular defense at the 4/5. Those players rarely become available. If rather than do trades to fix the bench.
Thompson not being as talented as Smith is irrelevant to whether or not I would trade for him. There are dozens of guys in the NBA that are more 'talented' than Jason Thompson that I would not trade for Jason Thompson, because they are not a better fit for this team. You know how everybody likes to bag on Jason Thompson's 'low bball iq'? Well, Josh Smith also has low basketball IQ, and he's lazy as ****, and he wants to take a ****-ton of shots. And he doesn't want to play defense. Aside from the occasional highlight block, he doesn't really play any defense. He's also several years removed from being effectively able to play power forward, which is what we would need out of him.
Smith doesn't help us as much as losing Thompson would hurt us, talent notwithstanding. I wouldn't send Thompson to Detroit in any deal that doesn't bring back Andre Drummond (and, before the jdbraver's of the world get all worked up, relax: that is not, in fact, me saying that Jason Thompson is as good as Andre Drummond). Thompson is a guy who we can send out there and say, "Go make Anthony Davis/Blake Griffin/Zach Randolph/Pau Gasol/LaMarcus Aldridge sing for his supper" so, getting rid of a guy like that and getting back a guy who can't do that, and is going to take shots away from our meal ticket, is a bad deal.
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KingMilz
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At this point I would rather gamble on Javale McGee than Smith, but if the Pistons want to do Landry/Williams for Smith imo you don't turn that down. While JT is not a star or anything close to it, the deal he's on and what he provides you only trade him in a package if your getting a All-Star back he's a good role player which we need.
I don't know if I'd go that far; I think, for example, that you'd have to listen to a Thompson for McGee trade. If you can sucker Portland into a Thompson for Lopez trade, you definitely pull the trigger on that. But I wouldn't trade Thompson for, say, Amar'e Stoudemire, who is a (former) All-Star, and a much more 'talented' player than Thompson, but would be a horrible fit for this team.
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KingMilz
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Lopez for sure but I would not trade Thompson for McGee (durability and mental issues), I guess I should have said for a legit starter who fits well next to Cousins.
