Would You ... Part II (SAC/PHX)

[Superman]

Sacramento outgoing: Kevin Martin, Brad Miller, Francisco Garcia and Quincy Douby

Sacramento incoming: Amare Stoudemire, Marcus Banks

Salaries work. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...56~2165~1727&teams=21~21~21~21~23~23&te=&cash=

Amare wants to be the focal point of the offense, and is not content in Phoenix. Brad Miller's trade value is at it's highest point since we got him. Garcia and Douby don't have a place in the lineup here. Phoenix gets a young scorer who doesn't have to have the ball to put up points. We get one of the best young big men in the NBA. Would Phoenix be tempted, especially if they don't win the title this year and Steve Nash's wheels fall off?

Would you? Why? Wouldn't you? Why not?

 

[VF21]

I'll be honest. My response is at least partially emotional. In addition, though, I think we're giving up too many pieces...

 

[Superman]

I'll be honest. My response is at least partially emotional. In addition, though, I think we're giving up too many pieces...

You'd miss Douby that much?



Garcia and Douby make the salaries match, and neither has a regular spot in the rotation. Maybe if Kevin is getting moved Garcia becomes the third/swingman, but he's replaceable, in my opinion. And we still have Dahntay Jones.

Miller should be moved as soon as possible before remembers that he was an undrafted rookie from Indiana who can't jump.

Martin is the catalyst, the only player we have that would even get Phoenix to not shred the fax that the offer comes over on.

 

[C Diddy]

I voted no. The price appears to be a little too steep. Giving up 3 of our best young players and our center, who while getting older in age still has a handful of solid seasons left, appears to be too much to pay. If we could somehow manage it with Martin, Miller, and a one of our dead bodies playing PF, it would be a much more enticing proposition. It wasn't an easy decision for me, and its definitely a close one.

 

[Superman]

I'm shocked. I thought I was going to get laughed out of the building on this one, with most people stating all the reasons why Phoenix wouldn't do this deal.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Miller actually clouds this a bit for me. I bet the Suns would actually want Moore more, as he'd be great getting the countless open dunks from Nash. But yeah, Phx, not Sac, would be the ones holding back here.

If, with some sort of divine intervention and/or sweetner, we pulled this off, look at the lineup:
Miller
Amare
Artest
Salmons
Bibby.

How could you not like that?

 

[venom_7]

Try Miller, Salmons, Douby for the same package. Salaries work, Salmons is at high value right now, and Kmart is too important.

 

[VF21]

Try Miller, Salmons, Douby for the same package. Salaries work, Salmons is at high value right now, and Kmart is too important.

Now that deal is the one I think Phoenix would laugh at...

 

[RunNGun]

Maybe I'm wrong here but doesn't anyone else think that maybe Amare's fantastic stats are due in large part to Nash's passing ability. Not that I'm saying that he's no good, but would he be a 20/10 player on our team without a facilitator?

 

[Widowmaker2k]

I wouldn't want to part with Martin for Amare for several reasons. Obviously Amare is the better player, but neither of them play defense, Amare has serious injury concerns, and he makes alot more money. Add to the fact that I like Martin's attitude better and that he's a fan favorite, and I just don't like this deal.

Now, if Pheonix flamed out in the playoffs, it'd be interesting to see if they'd do a sign and trade with Ron. They'd have two of their best players at the 3, but they don't seem to mind playing Marion at the 4, and Marion/Artest would make a pretty decent defensive combo. I don't have the time right now to check realgm, but perhaps Ron, Salmons/Garcia, and Miller for Amare and one or more of their bad contracts. A starting lineup of Nash/Salmons (Or Garcia)/Ron/Marion/Miller would be pretty good. Meanwhile Bibby(or Udrih)/ Kevin/ Garcia (or Salmons)/Amare/Whoever (Hawes and Amare frontcourt? Tora Tora Tora...) would be pretty good for us as well.

 

[Jerryaki]

i wouldn't trade for amare because i don't think he is as valuable without such a high-level distributor like nash. amare and nash? yes. amare and chris paul? yes. amare and baron davis or deron williams? sure.

amare and mike or beno? not so much.

 

[Superman]

Amare put up 13 and 9 in his rookie year, and then put up 21 and 9 the year after. Both of those years without Nash. He doesn't need a point guard to set him up. Just "give him the damn ball".

 

[kennadog]

Actually my very first thought was, "Amare's nuts to be unhappy in Phoenix." Sometimes I don't get these guys. Would he really rather be the offensive focal point, even if it means being on a crappy team? His knee seems okay and he's an impressive big man, but I sure don't like that attitude. (I like Howard better, but dream on.....)

 

[crutonimo]

Why would Phoenix want to add 55 milllion more in salary at the 2 spot...Theyve already got Barbosa and Bell locked up for alot of money..
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm
Maybe if the Kings added Mikki and took back one of those 2 guard contracts..

 

[Superman]

Why would Phoenix want to add 55 milllion more in salary at the 2 spot...Theyve already got Barbosa and Bell locked up for alot of money..
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm
Maybe if the Kings added Mikki and took back one of those 2 guard contracts..

Bell is a swingman, and Barbosa is a tweener. I'd take Bell, but that doesn't help our glut at the position. They can keep Barbosa. I have no use for him.

 

[Jerryaki]

Amare put up 13 and 9 in his rookie year, and then put up 21 and 9 the year after. Both of those years without Nash. He doesn't need a point guard to set him up. Just "give him the damn ball".

ah, fair enough. but both of those years, he was also a young kid putting up good numbers, not the number one target for opposing defenses (which he would surely be on this team); i feel that would affect his numbers.

no reason for me to argue anyway, it's all just pipe dreaming for us kings fans.

 

[Smills91]

Now that deal is the one I think Phoenix would laugh at...

I dunno, Salmons will be making HALF as much as Salmons for the next 3 years....I'm not so sure the penny pinching Sarvar would laugh at a Salmons proposal here...we'd HAVE to add a Douby or 1st though.

 

[Gary]

I am going with a no on this one. Amare has knee issues which scare the hell out of me (as with probably a lot of Sac fans).

 

[Heuge]

I wouldn't even need to think about it. Yes, and hurry and seal the deal before someone cries foul play. Great bigs are a heck of alot easier to get then great swingmen. Just look a Salmons. A nutch down from Kevin but uber cheap and easy to find.

 

[ParniValjak]

I'd do it in a heartbeat!

 

[Superman]

ah, fair enough. but both of those years, he was also a young kid putting up good numbers, not the number one target for opposing defenses (which he would surely be on this team); i feel that would affect his numbers.

no reason for me to argue anyway, it's all just pipe dreaming for us kings fans.

It would allow us to keep Mike for a few more years (we all know how much better he does with a dominant big), and coupled with another move or two, makes us a legitimate playoff team with an opportunity to contend in a year or so.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

i wouldn't do it. amare had microfracture surgery! hes had knee swelling since coming back. we're giving up alot of young talent for those guys. i'd rather us take our chance in the lottery and free agency (whenever they decide to stop spending it on MLE players)

 

[Rockmeister]

I think we would be giving up too many players. I know Amare has had knee surgery and he's knee has been swollen since coming back, however, I still would take a chance on him. I kind of would like to keep Brad Miller. I was critical of him last year and I've been impressed with how well he has played. I think he's playing his best since becoming a Kings player. I say let's package Kevin, Quincy Douby and Mikki Moore.

 

[Wuster]

I am going with a no on this one. Amare has knee issues which scare the hell out of me (as with probably a lot of Sac fans).

Exactly my thought re: the micro-fracture surgery. I can't help but thinking the 'damaged-goods' thing will surface at some point and be the CWebb result.

 

[NewMonkey]

I'd definitely do it, but Phoenix certainly would not. Really good big guys are few and far between, and Stoudemire is still really young. If you can dump Miller's salary and bring back a good, young big guy, you do it.

 

[BawLa]

I wouldn't do that exact trade, but something similar. How about:

Miller, Artest, Salmons and Douby

for

Stoudemire, Bell, Banks and Hill


We take on the crap conract of Banks but we get the PF of our future. Amare starts at C for now, but moves over to PF when Hawes puts on some more weight.

Phoenix makes out pretty well in this trade IMO. They get a group of guys that are all playing well for their standards, and similarly, all of them can play run 'n gun. All of a sudden the Suns look really deep.

New Lineups:

Nash/Douby
Salmons/Barbosa
Artest/Diaw
Marion/Marks
Miller/Skinner

*they could swing Artest to PF to backup Marion over Marks and swing Salmons to SF to redistribute minutes...that would be a solid 9 man rotation

Bibby/Udrih/Banks
Martin/Bell/Jones
Garcia/Hill
Moore/Williams/Thomas
Stoudemire/Hawes

- we then go out and trade Bibby at the deadline...maybe we could return a draft pick...maybe we could ship out KT with him...either or works for me but I would prefer the latter.

 

[Venom]

I think this question hinges on how you think Hawes-Amare will match up in three years against Oden-Aldridge. If you want to get out of the West in the next cycle, 3-4 years from now, you need to be able to beat Portland. You may not match up against them every year, but you need a team that can beat them if you do. I think that is a good matchup because Hawes can draw one of them outside, and Amare can punish them inside.

Martin is an OG, the most easily filled position in the NBA, and therefore disposable. The key would then be to find a PG who applies constant pressure off the dribble. This draft will be full of them.

Furthermore, Amare holds more value than the sum of the parts we trade. He is a blue-chipper.