Woj says Gay will exercise option and re-sign with Kings

[gunks]

Never was a fan of Rudy, then he had me eating crow.

I dont want us to overpay him with a fat extension, as I think he's a bit overrated....But on the other hand, he does seem to work well with Cousins and he is a legit talent.

I'll opt to be cautiously optimistic. If we replace IT with a better PG (or...Best case, replace IT as a starter and keep him as a 6th man), shore up the 2, and grab some defenders and role players...We can make some noise next season.

PDA still has his work cut out for him, but locking in a talent like Gay was a crucial first step.



....I'd still rather have Deng though

 

[ParniValjak]

Great news for us. Classy of Rudy to let us know his intentions before the draft. I wouldn't have expected anything different from him.

This also puts the front office on the watch to put together a good team for this season and prove to Rudy they are not just blowing smoke but serious about it. That is why I expect us to be very active this off-season starting with the draft.

 

[KingMilz]

I was having a good day till I read this, all that's left to completely ruin next season for me is to re-sign IT to 7+ million dollar deal.

The only move that PDA that was decent was getting D-Will for a hobbled LRMAM other than that it's been pretty awful at this point.

This means we should do everything we can to move Derrick Williams he's just going to be unhappy/wasting away here playing behind Rudy.

 

[Tetsujin]

I was having a good day till I read this, all that's left to completely ruin next season for me is to re-sign IT to 7+ million dollar deal.

The only move that PDA that was decent was getting D-Will for a hobbled LRMAM other than that it's been pretty awful at this point.

This means we should do everything we can to move Derrick Williams he's just going to be unhappy/wasting away here playing behind Rudy.

If we're making decision solely to appease underachieving tweener prospects, then we're in bizzaro land.

We do not let the tail wag the dog. D-Will can play out his contract like everyone else, no matter how much it displeases him. (Now would be a good time to point out that there is absolutely no indication that D-Will has been less than a class act about coming off the bench behind Rudy.)

Miami didn't trade their underachieving tweener prospect (Beasley) to make him happy, they traded him to improve their team (and also because he's a crazy person).

 

[ParniValjak]

If we're making decision solely to appease underachieving tweener prospects, then we're in bizzaro land.

We do not let the tail wag the dog. D-Will can play out his contract like everyone else, no matter how much it displeases him. (Now would be a good time to point out that there is absolutely no indication that D-Will has been less than a class act about coming off the bench behind Rudy.)

Miami didn't trade their underachieving tweener prospect (Beasley) to make him happy, they traded him to improve their team (and also because he's a crazy person).

Thank you! Peope should learn not to take patches of form from player in certain periods as a gospel. Those periods are immediately after they get traded and increase in production in April. Notoriously misleading!

D-Will is what he is. He came back to earth with us as the season went on and became a player T-Wolves were desperate to get rid off while he had some value. Clinging to hope that the real D-Will is the one we saw after we got him and before we got Gay is misguided to say the least.

D-Will is a difficult player to have on your team. He needs extended minutes to produce any type of effectiveness but he is not a good enough player to be a genuine starter on a good team or a true defensive specialist to earn minutes otherwise. I would trade him in a heart beat as he does have some value as an expiring contract and a former #2 pick that just teases enoug for someone to take a chance. He is my prime candidate to get traded. With all due respects to D-Will, if as a team you are banking on him being a key piece to the puzzle, then you are in for some very dark times ahead!

 

[KingMilz]

With all due respects to D-Will, if as a team you are banking on him being a key piece to the puzzle, then you are in for some very dark times ahead!

You can say the exact same thing about Rudy Gay who will eat an extra 13million more than D-Will of your salary cap.

Look at how little Toronto wanted back in return just to get rid of him.

 

[Tetsujin]

You can say the exact same thing about Rudy Gay who will eat an extra 13million more than D-Will of your salary cap.

Except Gay has a proven track record as an 18+ ppg, has recognizeable offensive strengths, is relatively consistent, shows glimpses of defensive effort when healthy, and is in the second tier of SFs in the league.

Yep. The exact same situation.

D-Will is an asset, a trade chip we can dangle to hopefully get something we need in return. Sure, he shows flashes. But those are just flashes. Now, three years into his NBA career, D-Will needs to start showing more than just flashes and the ability to jump high.

In a perfect world, D-Will develops into the next Lebron James over summer league and we can then use Rudy as a 19 million dollar expiring trade chip. But the chances of that happening are somewhere between zero percent and zero-point-one percent.

It'll take Williams a lot of improving and a lot of effort to become more valuable to the team than Rudy Gay. Not saying it won't happen. I just wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[KingMilz]

Except Gay has a proven track record as an 18+ ppg, has recognizeable offensive strengths, is relatively consistent, shows glimpses of defensive effort when healthy, and is in the second tier of SFs in the league.

Yep. The exact same situation.

D-Will is an asset, a trade chip we can dangle to hopefully get something we need in return. Sure, he shows flashes. But those are just flashes. Now, three years into his NBA career, D-Will needs to start showing more than just flashes and the ability to jump high.

In a perfect world, D-Will develops into the next Lebron James over summer league and we can then use Rudy as a 19 million dollar expiring trade chip. But the chances of that happening are somewhere between zero percent and zero-point-one percent.

It'll take Williams a lot of improving and a lot of effort to become more valuable to the team than Rudy Gay. Not saying it won't happen. I just wouldn't hold my breath.

There's also a proven track record his stats don't make his team's better and to me Derrick is more valuable cause he can allow you to actually sign another player who will help you win games, I rather spend 5 million on a up and coming talent who might help you win than 12+ on a guy who is what he is and you know in the long run won't help you achieve anything.

Who is the last team to win a championship with a player like Rudy Gay as there second best player making insane money? You don't give guys that type of money when all they do is stop the ball and play with very liitle heart, I literally can't remember Rudy Gay diving for a single loose ball the whole time he was with us.

 

[Chubbs]

I was having a good day till I read this, all that's left to completely ruin next season for me is to re-sign IT to 7+ million dollar deal.

The only move that PDA that was decent was getting D-Will for a hobbled LRMAM other than that it's been pretty awful at this point.

This means we should do everything we can to move Derrick Williams he's just going to be unhappy/wasting away here playing behind Rudy.

Huh?

Who cares what Williams thinks? Guy shows up once every ten games and you're worried about him? He should be worrying about finding a job after next season.

 

[KingMilz]

Huh?

Who cares what Williams thinks? Guy shows up once every ten games and you're worried about him? He should be worrying about finding a job after next season.

Where did I write anything about what Williams thinks? I said we should trade him now cause we have zero use for him.

 

[Chubbs]

You can say the exact same thing about Rudy Gay who will eat an extra 13million more than D-Will of your salary cap.

Look at how little Toronto wanted back in return just to get rid of him.

Rudy is as consistent as they come despite claims otherwise around here.

Let's get this clear, we didn't "sign" gay to a 19.3 million contract, he opted in. And it's for one year. And it's 19 million that would have been filled with more crap like our current multi headed interchangeable core of pfs.

 

[Chubbs]

Where did I write anything about what Williams thinks? I said we should trade him now cause we have zero use for him.

Right here

"This means we should do everything we can to move Derrick Williams he's just going to be unhappy/wasting away here playing behind Rudy."

The state of being unhappy requires thought that somehow things would be better elsewhere or in a different situation.

I'd take one rudy gay over 3 guys like JT, Williams and Landry any day.

 

[KingMilz]

Rudy is as consistent as they come despite claims otherwise around here.

Let's get this clear, we didn't "sign" gay to a 19.3 million contract, he opted in. And it's for one year. And it's 19 million that would have been filled with more crap like our current multi headed interchangeable core of pfs.

Yeah he consistantly stops the ball and chucks up awful fadeaway low % shots. He's consistant at putting up stats without helping you actually win.

Unless Rudy Gay turns by some miracle into a point forward I don't want him here. He also consistantly for the most part has been badly outplayed by the premier SF's in the NBA.

Right now DMC and Reggie Evans are the only two players on the entire roster that will help you win.

 

[Albatros]

There's a couple of undersized PF's in the draft we can replace D-Will with. So don't worry the quota of tiny PF's who can't finish won't take too much of a hit if he is traded.

yeyyy!

 

[Tetsujin]

There's also a proven track record his stats don't make his team's better and to me Derrick is more valuable cause he can allow you to actually sign another player who will help you win games, I rather spend 5 million on a up and coming talent who might help you win than 12+ on a guy who is what he is and you know in the long run won't help you achieve anything.

Who is the last team to win a championship with a player like Rudy Gay as there second best player making insane money? You don't give guys that type of money when all they do is stop the ball and play with very liitle heart, I literally can't remember Rudy Gay diving for a single loose ball the whole time he was with us.

The only thing up-and-coming about D-Will at this point in his career is his hair.

 

[Tetsujin]

Yeah he consistantly stops the ball and chucks up awful fadeaway low % shots. He's consistant at putting up stats without helping you actually win.

Unless Rudy Gay turns by some miracle into a point forward I don't want him here. He also consistantly for the most part has been badly outplayed by the premier SF's in the NBA.

Right now DMC and Reggie Evans are the only two players on the entire roster that will help you win.

Just so we have a point of reference here. Who, in your view, are some current point forwards playing in the NBA?

 

[Prince_XY]

This is a very good decision by Rudy. If I am not mistaken, as of recently he was not even considered or rumored to be wanted by those winning teams or any other team. And same with IT with hardly any rumors wanting his services as one of the stars on their teams.

I hope this signing will now make it harder for the Kings to resign IT or overpay him. If we get the same Cousins/Rudy/IT triumvirate next season, we can say goodbye to our playoffs aspirations again.

 

[ParniValjak]

You can say the exact same thing about Rudy Gay who will eat an extra 13million more than D-Will of your salary cap.

Look at how little Toronto wanted back in return just to get rid of him.

Absolute rubbish! Rudy is a proven player and a proven scoroer in this league. He is a career 18ppg scorer and one of the more talented SFs in a game. He is a genuine #2 option on a good team and just happens to mesh well with out franchise player.

D-Will can only dream about having the type of career that Rudy has had to date. With all due respects to D-Will he is not within a bull's roar in terms of impact or production or in fact a talent level of Rudy Gay.

Is Rudy perfect?! Hell no! But he happens to be amonst the best players in the league in his position which just happens to be a position that we have struggled to fill since 2008 until we traded for Gay.

As for how little it took to get him, take a look how little it took GSW to get Baron Davis from the Hornets who ended up leading GSW back to the play offs for the first time in a VERY VERY long time. Different teams have different needs. We needed a star player, Toronto needed to give DeRozen room to grow and wanted to go into tank mode and wanted to shed salaries. We got a borderline all-star talent for a bunch of expirings, a decent player or two and an overpaid undersized big. I wish we could do that type of trade every time

 

[ParniValjak]

Just so we have a point of reference here. Who, in your view, are some current point forwards playing in the NBA?

D-Will!

 

[ParniValjak]

This is a very good decision by Rudy. If I am not mistaken, as of recently he was not even considered or rumored to be wanted by those winning teams or any other team. And same with IT with hardly any rumors wanting his services as one of the stars on their teams.

I hope this signing will now make it harder for the Kings to resign IT or overpay him. If we get the same Cousins/Rudy/IT triumvirate next season, we can say goodbye to our playoffs aspirations again.

To be fair, there was not a lot of talk about Tyreke this time last year either, especially from NOLA but come July 1, he had 4 year $48 million offer on the table from them.

Teams are mostly quiet about their FA plans unless its about their free agents where they come out and say they will match any offer or we would like to keep them (aka we like him at a certain price)

 

[CaminoChaos]

Yeah he consistantly stops the ball and chucks up awful fadeaway low % shots. He's consistant at putting up stats without helping you actually win.

Unless Rudy Gay turns by some miracle into a point forward I don't want him here. He also consistantly for the most part has been badly outplayed by the premier SF's in the NBA.

Right now DMC and Reggie Evans are the only two players on the entire roster that will help you win.

We did win more because of Gay.
Didn't we play close to .500 ball since acquiring him?

 

[Chubbs]

Yeah he consistantly stops the ball and chucks up awful fadeaway low % shots. He's consistant at putting up stats without helping you actually win.

Unless Rudy Gay turns by some miracle into a point forward I don't want him here.

Fortunately for the rest of us, you're not making the decisions.

We won here with him when the team was healthy. And he shot 48%. Maybe you were watching some other team or player?

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Alright. With Rudy back in the mix we're looking at:

EMPTY / McCallum
McLemore / EMPTY / Outlaw / Terry???
Gay / Williams / Outlaw
Evans / Landry / Acy
Cousins / Thompson

I still expect big moves to come on draft day, but the Kings will still have the MLE for a certain amount depending on how the rest of our cap space checks out. We could have 5 or so million to fool around with AFTER we resign IT (if we resign IT) to find some real role players. I would still expect one of our top four big men to move, and I think the Kings will be targeting a point guard on thursday, be it Smart or Payton if they keep the pick, or Holiday / Rondo / Teague if they trade the pick. If they traded for Rondo or Holiday .. also known as players who are clearly better than IT, I could see IT returning as a sixth man .. and that team would be dangerous.

At any rate, glad to see Rudy Gay back in the fold.

 

[CurseOfTheSalmons]

Alright. With Rudy back in the mix we're looking at:

EMPTY / McCallum
McLemore / EMPTY / Outlaw / Terry???
Gay / Williams / Outlaw
Evans / Landry / Acy
Cousins / Thompson

I still expect big moves to come on draft day, but the Kings will still have the MLE for a certain amount depending on how the rest of our cap space checks out. We could have 5 or so million to fool around with AFTER we resign IT (if we resign IT) to find some real role players. I would still expect one of our top four big men to move, and I think the Kings will be targeting a point guard on thursday, be it Smart or Payton if they keep the pick, or Holiday / Rondo / Teague if they trade the pick. If they traded for Rondo or Holiday .. also known as players who are clearly better than IT, I could see IT returning as a sixth man .. and that team would be dangerous.

At any rate, glad to see Rudy Gay back in the fold.

um, switch mclemore and EMPTY.

 

[roasthawg]

Alright. With Rudy back in the mix we're looking at:

EMPTY / McCallum
McLemore / EMPTY / Outlaw / Terry???
Gay / Williams / Outlaw
Evans / Landry / Acy
Cousins / Thompson

I still expect big moves to come on draft day, but the Kings will still have the MLE for a certain amount depending on how the rest of our cap space checks out. We could have 5 or so million to fool around with AFTER we resign IT (if we resign IT) to find some real role players. I would still expect one of our top four big men to move, and I think the Kings will be targeting a point guard on thursday, be it Smart or Payton if they keep the pick, or Holiday / Rondo / Teague if they trade the pick. If they traded for Rondo or Holiday .. also known as players who are clearly better than IT, I could see IT returning as a sixth man .. and that team would be dangerous.

At any rate, glad to see Rudy Gay back in the fold.

I'd put it:

EMPTY/McCallum
EMPTY/McLemore/Terry
Gay/Williams/Outlaw
Thompson/Landry/Evans/Acy
Cousins/EMPTY

We're set for the upcoming season at both forward positions. Need to figure out who are starting guards are and sign a backup center. My best guess for the guard positions is IT/Stauskas or Smart/Morrow... just taking a shot in the dark obviously but I do really believe we're praying for Smart at #8 in this draft.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

um, switch mclemore and EMPTY.

I might agree with you, but the front office sure doesn't.

 

[Jerichoholic]

Yeah he consistantly stops the ball and chucks up awful fadeaway low % shots. He's consistant at putting up stats without helping you actually win.

Unless Rudy Gay turns by some miracle into a point forward I don't want him here. He also consistantly for the most part has been badly outplayed by the premier SF's in the NBA.

Right now DMC and Reggie Evans are the only two players on the entire roster that will help you win.

Well we have been in agreement for quite awhile now, but it seems we are outnumbered. Rudy Gay deciding to stay in putting us closer and closer to a very dangerous place. I don't have a problem with the one year remaining for $19 million, we probably weren't going to be that active in free agency this offseason anyway. Plus it would give us another to see what exactly he is going to bring to this team. The danger is the potential long-term deal which is rumored to be for 4 years and somewhere between $48 million and $60 million. Talks have stopped for the moment, but likely to begin again later this summer. My question would be, why pay him that kind of money right now? He won't get more than that on the open market anyway, why bid against yourself? Unless this front office is so desperate to keep him. My hope, let the season play out, if things go poorly we have a valuable trade chip or at worst he moves on. If things go well he probably sticks around anyway.

 

[Tetsujin]

Well we have been in agreement for quite awhile now, but it seems we are outnumbered. Rudy Gay deciding to stay in putting us closer and closer to a very dangerous place. I don't have a problem with the one year remaining for $19 million, we probably weren't going to be that active in free agency this offseason anyway. Plus it would give us another to see what exactly he is going to bring to this team. The danger is the potential long-term deal which is rumored to be for 4 years and somewhere between $48 million and $60 million. Talks have stopped for the moment, but likely to begin again later this summer. My question would be, why pay him that kind of money right now? He won't get more than that on the open market anyway, why bid against yourself? Unless this front office is so desperate to keep him. My hope, let the season play out, if things go poorly we have a valuable trade chip or at worst he moves on. If things go well he probably sticks around anyway.

He probably would. Teams like the Hornets and Phoenix have plenty of cap room and a need for more scoring/production out of the three-spot.

 

[gunks]

Well we have been in agreement for quite awhile now, but it seems we are outnumbered. Rudy Gay deciding to stay in putting us closer and closer to a very dangerous place. I don't have a problem with the one year remaining for $19 million, we probably weren't going to be that active in free agency this offseason anyway. Plus it would give us another to see what exactly he is going to bring to this team. The danger is the potential long-term deal which is rumored to be for 4 years and somewhere between $48 million and $60 million. Talks have stopped for the moment, but likely to begin again later this summer. My question would be, why pay him that kind of money right now? He won't get more than that on the open market anyway, why bid against yourself? Unless this front office is so desperate to keep him. My hope, let the season play out, if things go poorly we have a valuable trade chip or at worst he moves on. If things go well he probably sticks around anyway.

This. I'm glad he picked up the option, but we shouldnt jump the gun and offer Rudy that kind of money. He's a good player and a good fit, but he isnt the star people think he is and he shouldnt get star money. His defense is inconsistent at best, and he doesnt hold his own against other top SFs. Durant owns him. To me he seems like a good regular season guy, but once we hit the playoffs (and that is the goal), I think he is going to lose a lot of fans....Which is why I'd rather have a good two way player like Deng, or a top tier role player like Ariza or....Iggy.

We shall see. Like I said in an earlier post in this thread...I'm cautiously optimistic but wary of overpaying Rudy on a long term deal. 48 mil is probably as high as I would go for him after his last season with us. If he can show that it was no fluke and help lead us to a .500 record or so, then maybe we can talk about going higher.

PDA is in a tough spot for sure. We dont want to let talent like Gay walk, but we dont want to screw up our capspace for the next 4 years on someone who might just be fools gold either.

 

[pshn80]

I was having a good day till I read this, all that's left to completely ruin next season for me is to re-sign IT to 7+ million dollar deal.

The only move that PDA that was decent was getting D-Will for a hobbled LRMAM other than that it's been pretty awful at this point.

This means we should do everything we can to move Derrick Williams he's just going to be unhappy/wasting away here playing behind Rudy.

Sorry you're unhappy when this info has pleased me no end. DIll has yet to earn his way into that status with me. Hope he does.