Wilcox, Sonics Parting Ways?

AleksandarN

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Come on Petrie lets go after him he would be the ideal PF for this team. trade SAR and cap filler for him. I do not care but atleast try.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2003107566_soni06.html

Because negotiations between the Sonics and restricted free agent Chris Wilcox stalled earlier this week, the sides are exploring sign-and-trade possibilities, the rhetoric is becoming terse and the likelihood that contract talks will end unfavorably for both sides grows stronger each day.
"The longer it drags on, we will come to the point of no return where Chris will not look back and will no longer want to be in Seattle," said Jeff Fried, the Washington, D.C.-based agent for Wilcox. "Since it appears that the Sonics are unwilling to give Chris his fair-market value, we're looking at other options."
According to one NBA source, as many as nine teams have contacted the Sonics about Wilcox, but general manager Rick Sund has declined to seriously entertain each offer.
Golden State is believed to be the latest team to inquire about Wilcox, but discussions with Seattle ended quickly because the Sonics are hoping to land an All-Star forward in return.
Sund and Fried exchanged initial contract proposals on Monday, and the meeting revealed just how far apart both sides are.
Many believed the Sonics would offer Wilcox the six-year, $42 million deal they extended Vladimir Radmanovic last year, but Seattle's offer was slightly lower because only a few teams have the salary-cap flexibility to aggressively pursue the 6-foot-10 power forward.
Most teams can use their mid-level exception and offer Wilcox a five-year, $31 million contract, but the Sonics can match those offers and retain his services.
Given their favorable position, the Sonics offered Wilcox considerably less than Denver's six-year, $60 million deal with Nene on Sunday, which seemed to set the market for power forwards.
Wilcox was hoping to land a deal comparable to Nene's because the Sonics forward averaged 14.1 points and 8.2 rebounds in 29 games with Seattle last season. Nene, who missed last season because of a knee injury, averaged 10.7 points and 6.2 rebounds in three seasons with the Nuggets. A possible breakthrough in the negotiations occurred Wednesday when Fried told the Sonics that he's open to accepting a three-year deal averaging less than $10 million per season.
The two sides continue to converse daily, but no face-to-face meetings are scheduled. Fried said he was optimistic. Sund didn't return messages to his office on Wednesday.
If the Sonics aren't agreeable to a short-term deal and sign-and-trade offers are refuted, then Wilcox's only option is signing the qualifying offer that will make him an unrestricted free agent next summer.
It's the same option the Sonics presented Radmanovic, Reggie Evans and Ronald Murray last year.
Each of them grudgingly took the one-year deal, which was partly to blame for Seattle's 35-47 record because they sulked during the season, never played to their potential and were dealt before the February trade deadline.
"Chris enjoyed Seattle immensely, really bonded with his teammates and we certainly thought they had the view that his value was part of building a playoff caliber team," Fried said. "Chris either wants to get a deal done in Seattle or move forward with the sign and trade.
"He doesn't want a long, drawn-out negotiation, and I would think that the last thing the Sonics would want is a disgruntled 24-year-old who doesn't want to be there."
 
As I mentioned in another thread...he COULD be worth it. Maybe. But he's also just a junk contract waiting to happen, and is not the defender up front we need. One of those deals thoguh where if you beleive he really can maintain his play from the end of last year + mayeb progress, $42 mil is well worth it.

Now what is NOT worth it if he really wants Nene money. Then you are taking a helluva risk.
 
I agree with Brick.

I don't really see us going after this guy based on the contract he'd get and how SAR is more valuable.
 
wilcox averages a little over half as many blocks as brad miller, if that matters:D

he's a good rebounder when he gets minutes, but he wouldnt really help our interior defense
 
Well the flip is this BTW:

a) He's 24
b) he averaged 14.1pts 8.2rebs in 30.1min with the Sonics
c) Increase those minutes to 38mpg, and that comes out to 17.8pts 10.4rebs
d) he finished 14th in the NBA in per 48 rebounding.

The shotblocking...well that's just inexcusable for a 6'10" athlete, but if you take the leap of faith that the 30 games weren't jsut a blip, 18 and 10 (on 59% shotting even) makes him an upper echelon PF.

But that's a risky leap.
 
Well the flip is this BTW:

a) He's 24
b) he averaged 14.1pts 8.2rebs in 30.1min with the Sonics
c) Increase those minutes to 38mpg, and that comes out to 17.8pts 10.4rebs
d) he finished 14th in the NBA in per 48 rebounding.

The shotblocking...well that's just inexcusable for a 6'10" athlete, but if you take the leap of faith that the 30 games weren't jsut a blip, 18 and 10 (on 59% shotting even) makes him an upper echelon PF.

But that's a risky leap.

It's a risky leap, but even the past few seasons he averaged 9 rebounds per/40 minutes in limited time. So even if he was playing for a contract with Seattle that's not a bad fall-back average.

I'd give up Garcia to get him and their pick of Corliss or KT.
 
Don't think they want any more wing players when they got Mickale Geleable coming over this season, and will be playing in the SL. They're quite high on him. Since he was playing w/ Real Madrid this past season. Then Wilkins/Allen/Lewis.

They want an all-star foward for Wilcox.
 
They want an all-star foward for Wilcox.

Which is just completely ridiculous of course. Nobody's going to give up an All Star for a maybe kind of if everything works out just perfect might have an outside shot of making an All Star game someday forward. What would be the point?

Just reading about the way the Suns are negotiating here makes you shake your head -- its like they are intentionally trying to inspire the same disaster they ahd last year with their free agents. pee them off, and be too stubborn to even get anything back for them. Its just idiocy.
 
Well the flip is this BTW:

a) He's 24
b) he averaged 14.1pts 8.2rebs in 30.1min with the Sonics
c) Increase those minutes to 38mpg, and that comes out to 17.8pts 10.4rebs
d) he finished 14th in the NBA in per 48 rebounding.

The shotblocking...well that's just inexcusable for a 6'10" athlete, but if you take the leap of faith that the 30 games weren't jsut a blip, 18 and 10 (on 59% shotting even) makes him an upper echelon PF.

But that's a risky leap.
Averaging minutes and production hardly ever works like that in reality. There is a reason he doesn't play 40 minutes a game, and as you stated he isn't what we need.
 
Which is just completely ridiculous of course. Nobody's going to give up an All Star for a maybe kind of if everything works out just perfect might have an outside shot of making an All Star game someday forward. What would be the point?

Just reading about the way the Suns are negotiating here makes you shake your head -- its like they are intentionally trying to inspire the same disaster they ahd last year with their free agents. pee them off, and be too stubborn to even get anything back for them. Its just idiocy.

Wasn't SAR an all-star once?
 
Wasn't SAR an all-star once?

I almost mentioned that... ;)

You figure mayeb somebody would do somethng like that -- an older former All-Star like a SAR or some such. Maybe.

For us...? Kind of ups the gamble. SAR is limited, but what he does, he still does well. The rebounding would be a welcome welcome addition, and the youth + potential for growth would be nice too. But nonetheless, last year for 30 games was the only time in Wilcox's career that he's even remotely been in SARs class. So now not only would we be gambling the $$ of the Wilcox contract, but we'd also be gambling the bird in the hand. If he is indeed 18 and 10 or even more for the rest of his long career, obviously its a very good move. But anything less and it might be an oops.


This is just a tough one -- the reasonableness of everything pretty much all depends on your beleif in Wilcox. If he pans out, the $$, SAR, whatever it takes is all worth it. If he doesn't, you've just pinned yourself with a Juwann Howard type of undeserved contract.
 
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Averaging minutes and production hardly ever works like that in reality. There is a reason he doesn't play 40 minutes a game, and as you stated he isn't what we need.

Often true, but note I did not take his 15 min backup seasons and project them out. I took his 30+ min starting minutes from last season and projected them out. That's a lot more likely to be legit -- similar role, just with a minute or two added to each stint.
 
the gamble lessens i think if they take KT and hart in s + t. I wouldnt give them any of our young guys though. Although KT has the potential to be a trouble maker there too. MAybe they would go for corliss and hart or something, pure salary dump.
 
this is the theme with the sonics the past few years.... they low-ball their free agents pissing everyone off

rashard lewis in 2002, ray allen, radmanovich, and now wilcox... they just dont want to pay anyone, and most free agents I've noticed want to bail asap
 
this is the theme with the sonics the past few years.... they low-ball their free agents pissing everyone off

rashard lewis in 2002, ray allen, radmanovich, and now wilcox... they just dont want to pay anyone, and most free agents I've noticed want to bail asap

They also low-balled Mr. Sonic himself, Nate McMillan. That's why he went to Portland.
 
the gamble lessens i think if they take KT and hart in s + t. I wouldnt give them any of our young guys though. Although KT has the potential to be a trouble maker there too. MAybe they would go for corliss and hart or something, pure salary dump.
Exactly. Willcox is the kind of risk you take when you are really only trading spare parts. I am not sure if Seatle will TAKE them but you have to make the call whne the down side is low and the up side could be so high. Of course if you are going to trade the only rebounding big man we have you better be sure Bonzi is comming back and that atleast one of your prospcts can get some as well.:D
 
I almost mentioned that... ;)

You figure mayeb somebody would do somethng like that -- an older former All-Star like a SAR or some such. Maybe.

For us...? Kind of ups the gamble. SAR is limited, but what he does, he still does well. The rebounding would be a welcome welcome addition, and the youth + potential for growth would be nice too. But nonetheless, last year for 30 games was the only time in Wilcox's career that he's even remotely been in SARs class. So now not only would we be gambling the $$ of the Wilcox contract, but we'd also be gambling the bird in the hand. If he is indeed 18 and 10 or even more for the rest of his long career, obviously its a very good move. But anything less and it might be an oops.


This is just a tough one -- the reasonableness of everything pretty much all depends on your beleif in Wilcox. If he pans out, the $$, SAR, whatever it takes is all worth it. If he doesn't, you've just pinned yourself with a Juwann Howard type of undeserved contract.

Agree that this is tough, but I'd take this gamble if SAR were the exchange piece. Yes, SAR can be counted on for certain things, but at least to this point in a Kings' uniform, he can't be counted on for rebounds or athleticism (unfortunately). Based on Wilcox's performances with the Sonics, he can be counted on for those things.

And while he may not block shots (as evidenced by the fact that he averages fewer blocks per game than BMiller), if I'm a guard in the NBA thinking of taking it to rim, and my choice is to have BMiller or Wilcox guarding the rim, I'm picking Miller every time. Yeah, he might get lucky and get his hand on the ball every once in awhile, but I'm going to keep taking it to him because I know he's slow and can't jump (in a relative sense). Wilcox is neither slow nor ground bound. Whether he can ever "learn" to play defense or protect the rim is another matter, but at least he has the tools to provide some resistance in the paint on defense. No one in the rotation last year even had the tools.
 
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