Why We Suck. The Real Reason

[AriesMar27]

i understand that he's only 21 but what do you do when he's 24, still sucks but is being paid 3 times as much? same goes for thompson, hes already 23 what happens when he's 26 and still sucks? with the way that they are playing it doesnt look like they will get much better. i dont want to watch hawes shoot 4 three pointers a game just so that he can average 15 points per game.

 

[Kingsguy881]

i understand that he's only 21 but what do you do when he's 24, still sucks but is being paid 3 times as much? same goes for thompson, hes already 23 what happens when he's 26 and still sucks? with the way that they are playing it doesnt look like they will get much better. i dont want to watch hawes shoot 4 three pointers a game just so that he can average 15 points per game.

You would have written off Chris Kaman too, hunh buddy? That one would have bit you in the end. But then again I expect nothing less of someone who thinks Sergio is the best pg on this team and that Beno is playing better than Tyreke...

 

[AriesMar27]

You would have written off Chris Kaman too, hunh buddy? That one would have bit you in the end. But then again I expect nothing less of someone who thinks Sergio is the best pg on this team and that Beno is playing better than Tyreke...

wow... i dont even have to say we all know that you are a ***er. kaman was always a good player. i live in los angeles, im sure that ive seen more clipper games than you have. ive always liked kaman, but i know that the clippers wouldnt trade him to the kings. so why bother talking about him? sergio is our best pg... period. not the best shooter, lol... but he is easily the best pg on the team.

give sergio and beno, evans minutes and i bet that no one will have any problems playing with martin.

 

[drboiffard]

Man, stop with the Sergio being the best PG ****. You can't be serious. He is the better passer of the team and he's the only "true" PG of the roster. That's obvious. But that doesn't make him the best option at PG.

 

[6th]

Bravo.

My personal opinion is that sometimes those who are throwing those names around would be the ones least likely to ever be able to accomplish anything on a basketball court.

I know several members of this board who have played hoops or other sports in their lives, and I cannot recall any of them actually resorting to derogatory name-calling when referencing a player. Criticize their game? Oh, hell yes. But name-calling? Just lessens my opinion of the poster and the post.

/end rant

Bravo on this as well. I'm really getting sick and tired of all the name calling of our players, coaches and GM. Petrie is a wuss (as someone mentioned in another thread)? Uhh, sure.

Well, all I have to say to all those who cannot criticize a player's play without calling him a baby, wuss, POS, etc......is one thing. Something my mom used to say to us all the time when we were growing up was, "It takes one to know one."

 

[AriesMar27]

Man, stop with the Sergio being the best PG ****. You can't be serious. He is the better passer of the team and he's the only "true" PG of the roster. That's obvious. But that doesn't make him the best option at PG.

he is, he's just a bad fit for this team with evans on the roster because he cant play without the ball.

 

[Kingsguy881]

wow... i dont even have to say we all know that you are a ***er. kaman was always a good player. i live in los angeles, im sure that ive seen more clipper games than you have. ive always liked kaman, but i know that the clippers wouldnt trade him to the kings. so why bother talking about him? sergio is our best pg... period. not the best shooter, lol... but he is easily the best pg on the team.

give sergio and beno, evans minutes and i bet that no one will have any problems playing with martin.

I am? Naw man, that spot is reserved for YOU.

So you know all about Kaveman hunh? How about 3-4 years ago? What you know about that? When all of Clipperland was calling for Kaveman to be traded because, like Spencer, he was in his 3rd season and not performing up to his potential. That situation was just like, JUST LIKE what we have going with Spencer, except Spence is younger. I haven't written Spencer off because in 2 years he is going to be a paint monster with a sweet outside shot and about 8-9 rebounds a game. Dude has it all, he just has to put it together.

Sergio is the best passer on the team, no doubt. But you are so full of basketball ignorance it is borderline PATHETIC. All you ever focus on is the offensive side of the ball, well newsflash guy: there is a defensive aspect to this game too. So Sergio might be the best passer. So what? So he can go out and drop 9-10 assists per game, score maybe 9-10 ppg, and let his man score 30 ppg and drop 10 assists. THAT WON'T WIN YOU GAMES BUDDY!!!!! What don't you get about that? Every single time you post you show your ignorance. It is sad, and yet so you.

 

[sactownfan]

Bravo.

My personal opinion is that sometimes those who are throwing those names around would be the ones least likely to ever be able to accomplish anything on a basketball court.

I know several members of this board who have played hoops or other sports in their lives, and I cannot recall any of them actually resorting to derogatory name-calling when referencing a player. Criticize their game? Oh, hell yes. But name-calling? Just lessens my opinion of the poster and the post.

/end rant

umm... i strongly disagree... Hawes being so terrible and inconsistent right now has nothing to do with coaching.... you could argue that Hawes plays one of the most brainless positions in basketball... YOUR 7'1 ! ! ! SWAT THE DAMN BALL!!! YOUR 7'1 GRAB THE DAMN BALL!!! YOUR 7'1 DUNK THE DAMN BALL!!! why when your 7'1 is it so hard for Hawes to do these things?

i could care less about all his up and under, fake left, fake right, fake left again hooks, and his infatuation with bombing 3's.... yeah maybe coaching could help him with that stuff some...

but look around at the NBA and you'll see its not coaching...some bigs either have it or dont! Sam Dalembert didn't even play that much basketball before the NBA... but he goes after shots and rebounds... some centers cant shoot for the life of them or even dribble... but they do what they are suppose to... rebound, block shots, set screens, dunk...

Hawes issues seem to be conditioning (obvious problem), his poor attitude (as witnessed with his too cool for summer league pout, and actually in interviews as of late), and his motor... if you wanna talk about coaching hes has Brockman to watch and learn from every dang day... that should be more than enough coaching for Hawes

 

[FakeInjury]

The whole frontline is off the charts bad. but as soon as you trade them away, they are going to make you look worse. Imagine Hawes on any other team, he makes them better. Imagine JT on any other team, he makes them deeper. It would be best to sit on Hawes, and see what happens during his RFAcy, because if he doesn't get a solid offer, we will be able to offer him security sooner for more money. Same thing with JT. We have to let this play out, even after the struggles of this past month I have to point out that JT is better than KG was as a rookie. JT is 25 and a sophmore, so he has a little rope. Hawes is there, just not every night. HE either needs more strength or more mean. Hawes is the problem because every time we have to sub in Brockman, we loose alot of offense.

 

[vistacruza_kings]

i wasnt trying to name calls, just saying he looks bad right now, but maybe we should be patient with the hawesome

everyones a critic

 

[Jaylee209]

Spencer and JT suck right now because they are both WEAK ( as is strength) for their positions. For Spencer, it's not for lack of skills; he just can't good positioning because he can't push his man around. And for JT, He doesn't have good post skills or footwork.

 

[bloom]

Bravo.

My personal opinion is that sometimes those who are throwing those names around would be the ones least likely to ever be able to accomplish anything on a basketball court.

I know several members of this board who have played hoops or other sports in their lives, and I cannot recall any of them actually resorting to derogatory name-calling when referencing a player. Criticize their game? Oh, hell yes. But name-calling? Just lessens my opinion of the poster and the post.

/end rant

Thanks. I just hate seeing people talk like that.

 

[sactownfan]

Thanks. I just hate seeing people talk like that.

i think your missing it....

im not at all saying Hawes will suck forever... but seriously he sucks right now...this min.... there is no way to sugar coat it... his pathetic stats dont lie... he is weak and he gets destroyed every game...

there is hope that he will one day "get it" and actually give 100% effort on improving his body/strength/and explosiveness.... he is still really young... but as of right this min... he sucks... and he and the lack of a TRUE CENTER on this team is the reason why we are losing...

Hes a border line back up center right now...

again as far as JT goes im a little higher on him because he actually hustles and before his slump was a serviceable starting PF... but as a 2nd year player he cant handle the stress of feeling like hes the sole reason we are losing... (his slump starts with our losing streak) he is the only balanced big we have... he cant do everything...

 

[AriesMar27]

I am? Naw man, that spot is reserved for YOU.

So you know all about Kaveman hunh? How about 3-4 years ago? What you know about that? When all of Clipperland was calling for Kaveman to be traded because, like Spencer, he was in his 3rd season and not performing up to his potential. That situation was just like, JUST LIKE what we have going with Spencer, except Spence is younger. I haven't written Spencer off because in 2 years he is going to be a paint monster with a sweet outside shot and about 8-9 rebounds a game. Dude has it all, he just has to put it together.

Sergio is the best passer on the team, no doubt. But you are so full of basketball ignorance it is borderline PATHETIC. All you ever focus on is the offensive side of the ball, well newsflash guy: there is a defensive aspect to this game too. So Sergio might be the best passer. So what? So he can go out and drop 9-10 assists per game, score maybe 9-10 ppg, and let his man score 30 ppg and drop 10 assists. THAT WON'T WIN YOU GAMES BUDDY!!!!! What don't you get about that? Every single time you post you show your ignorance. It is sad, and yet so you.

in kaman's 3rd year he put up 11.9/9.6/1.4 while shooting 52% and only shot two 3pt shots the entire season. if hawes was doing that i doubt that anyone here would be complaining. the only people who complained about kaman were fans who wanted to have him traded for a better offensive player. the team sucked, as the clippers tend to do so they were willing to give him away for a player that could win them some regular season games. its the same thing we are doing now with martin. i would gladly trade for kaman if it were possible. even if he werent averaging 20/9...

as far as me being offensive minded, youre damn right... how do you win games? by scoring more points than the opposing team. if we had a shot blocker on the team it wouldnt matter if sergio couldnt guard a wet paper bag. the offense would be run correctly and we wouldnt need him to score. i'll gladly take 10/9 from sergio and a bunch of meaningless regular season games over the bull**** that we are being forced to watch right now.

defense wins championships, but we dont even have enough offense to make it to the playoffs... i know that everyone will say that we score enough points, but how we score them is the source of the problem.

this team needs a complete overhaul... we lack talent to win the games that should be won. our current losing slump is proof enough of that... if it takes martin and some combo of thompson and/or hawes, so be it...

we could trade martin, beno and hawes for jefferson and session then trade thomas for dalembert.... we would then have a team that could compete... we need bigmen that can do their jobs, thats why martin plays the way he plays now, he's never played with a big man that played like a bigman. and thats probably why he doesnt play any defense now. he was fine with webber and miller, then webber was traded and he never played defense again. i remember martin coming in and guarding tony parker and nash... he did a good job. defense is a team concept that never took off with this team.

 

[bloom]

i think your missing it....

im not at all saying Hawes will suck forever... but seriously he sucks right now...this min.... there is no way to sugar coat it... his pathetic stats dont lie... he is weak and he gets destroyed every game...

there is hope that he will one day "get it" and actually give 100% effort on improving his body/strength/and explosiveness.... he is still really young... but as of right this min... he sucks... and he and the lack of a TRUE CENTER on this team is the reason why we are losing...

Hes a border line back up center right now...

again as far as JT goes im a little higher on him because he actually hustles and before his slump was a serviceable starting PF... but as a 2nd year player he cant handle the stress of feeling like hes the sole reason we are losing... (his slump starts with our losing streak) he is the only balanced big we have... he cant do everything...

I was referring to the other poster who referred to Spencer as a “POS.” Like I said, I don’t care if you criticize his game or how he’s playing. I just don’t like how some people slam the person like that.

As far as him improving his body strength, I’ve read - I think it was the Bee - that Spencer was working hard during the summer by putting on more muscle and working on his defense. As far as his defense, I don’t know what’s going on with him and I’m wondering what the coaching staff really wants out of Spencer…But building muscle (at least good muscle) needs time and it depends on the person’s body type. We all saw how JT got bigger during the summer, yet it wasn’t the good kind of getting big (even though he was working out) – it really slowed him down.

And I agree that Spencer needs to be more dominate. I loved how he stepped up during the Lakers game and I really want him to continue each and every game like that – battle in the paint and also make his shots.

And I’ve mentioned this before, but JT and Spencer had better chemistry last year than this year. They worked with each other better and it translated well on the court; and it makes me wonder what happened between last year and this year.

 

[bajaden]

Bravo.

My personal opinion is that sometimes those who are throwing those names around would be the ones least likely to ever be able to accomplish anything on a basketball court.

I know several members of this board who have played hoops or other sports in their lives, and I cannot recall any of them actually resorting to derogatory name-calling when referencing a player. Criticize their game? Oh, hell yes. But name-calling? Just lessens my opinion of the poster and the post.

/end rant

I think people forget that players are human. They have the same problems we do. Sometimes they get up on the wrong side of the bed and trip over things all day long. One of those days where nothing seems to go right. When it happens to us, no one is really aware of it. When it happens to them, it happens in front of thousands of people. Granted, they're getting paid big bucks to go out and perform. And they're held accountable whan they don't. But sometimes they're just not going to live up to your expectations.

Put yourself in Dalemberts shoes right now. He's from Haiti, and has family there. Friends there. Yet he's expected to go out and play as though nothing has happened. How often do we know when a players mother is dying of cancer. Or they've had a big fight with their girlfriend or wife. For those that think that shouldn't matter, just remember Ricky Berry. They're human beings just like us. They have emotions that will at times carry over into their preformance. Their not robots. I'm not saying excuse poor play. I'm not saying don't be critical of repeated mistakes. I'm just saying that sometimes understanding, and applying a civilized approach to that criticism might be another option.

 

[bajaden]

i wasnt trying to name calls, just saying he looks bad right now, but maybe we should be patient with the hawesome

everyones a critic

Ha ha! I love your last little quote. No offense, but thats like the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[AriesMar27]

I think people forget that players are human. They have the same problems we do. Sometimes they get up on the wrong side of the bed and trip over things all day long. One of those days where nothing seems to go right. When it happens to us, no one is really aware of it. When it happens to them, it happens in front of thousands of people. Granted, they're getting paid big bucks to go out and perform. And they're held accountable whan they don't. But sometimes they're just not going to live up to your expectations.

Put yourself in Dalemberts shoes right now. He's from Haiti, and has family there. Friends there. Yet he's expected to go out and play as though nothing has happened. How often do we know when a players mother is dying of cancer. Or they've had a big fight with their girlfriend or wife. For those that think that shouldn't matter, just remember Ricky Berry. They're human beings just like us. They have emotions that will at times carry over into their preformance. Their not robots. I'm not saying excuse poor play. I'm not saying don't be critical of repeated mistakes. I'm just saying that sometimes understanding, and applying a civilized approach to that criticism might be another option.

tim duncan is a robot... lebron jumps just like the robots in "I, Robot"... tyreke kinda looks like one too...

 

[vistacruza_kings]

ok ok ok, Spencer plays like a POS!

Thats what i meant, sorry i truely didnt mean to offend anyone.

 

[pshn80]

I actually disagree about Thompson... I think he'd be a great starting PF if we had a legit shot blocking and rebounding center to pair up with him... the problem is were asking too much of Thompson right now... he was avg almost the same numbers as Al Horford most of this year and last... those are not bench players stats... JT did improve from last year and with another year could be a very solid player

He's not doing it. And I don't think we're asking too much of Thompson. I think we are giving him way too many minutes. His play doesn't justify it. We just don't have many good alternatives. It's time to slow down the big JT experiment.

 

[AriesMar27]

He's not doing it. And I don't think we're asking too much of Thompson. I think we are giving him way too many minutes. His play doesn't justify it. We just don't have many good alternatives. It's time to slow down the big JT experiment.

lack of options... its the opposite of our wing players.... having too many bigs is a good problem to have, we dont have any... he's the only full sized pf we have. same thing goes for hawes.... we dont have anyone else so their mistakes are amplified. they arent being asked to do too much, its that they have too much time to do what little they can.

 

[sactownfan]

He's not doing it. And I don't think we're asking too much of Thompson. I think we are giving him way too many minutes. His play doesn't justify it. We just don't have many good alternatives. It's time to slow down the big JT experiment.

wow! see anyone that thinks JT needs to play less mins or ride the bench is delusional....

ok so let me get this straight... you wanna sit or play less the only big that even touches on having ... HEIGHT...REBOUNDING...DEFENSE... AND IS HEAD AND SHOULDERS A BETTER FINISHER IN THE PAINT COMPARED TO HAWES AND BROCKMAN?????!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT!!!!???!!!

im sorry but Hawes is all jumper and passing right now... i've never seen a big get swatted away trying to make what should be easy point blank shots... and Hawes on defense is soggy waffles....

Brockman is a monster and i love his game... but hes a midget...a one trick pony... and he gets destroyed by true bigs... and brockman has the worst offensive game out of anyone on our team... its just terrible... although hes is the best rebounder he comes with all sort other problems...

oh ok we would be a much better team with HAWES and BROCKMAN playing more mins over JT.... stupid....

heres the point of this thread! how about trying something crazy like... getting a real shot blocking and rebounding center to put along side JT... because im sorry but right now hes IS BY FAR THE most all around talented big we got and has the most all around game out of any big we got.... if we put him with someone that can help him (JT) would he not be a better player and have less pressure on him??????????

 

[sactownfan]

its so obvious.... find someone to help JT... JT then will be better no?

I mean asking a 2nd year player out of RIDER to guard PAU GASOL Al Jefferson, TIM DUNCAN every night isn't too much to ask i guess (sarcasm) ... especially considering that weak Hawes and Brock cant guard anyone near or around 7ft tall...

JT pretty much ends up guarding everyone in the paint if you think about it...

i mean having shot blocking and rebounding cant hurt right?

 

[sactownfan]

another thing thats occurred to me while watching this game against the magic.... is another reason OUR FRONT LINE is the overall problem is.... because we lack a true center to guard the best big on the opponents team we have to double team these guys which frees up the opponents shooters...