Why tanking does not work - article

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on those efficiency numbers:

I am curious why you would keep on using career efficiency numbers for a player who has been on a clear upward tilt through his career.

Yr 1: .430FG .687FT
Yr2: .448FG .702FT
Yr3: .465FG .738FT

Its been steady. more than steady. I have repeatedly pointed out, that after a horrible start, after Jan 1 of last year DeMarcus Cousins shout 50% from the field with a 55% TS%
 
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Going from 48% to 50% to 52% TS% through 3 years is nothing to drool over. That's snail pace. They're all bad.

I will give him credit that he's improving and not regressing, but right now, his best year is 52% TS. Very poor efficiency for a post player.

He has a way to go.
 
Tanking does work but there is a lot of luck involved, at the same time its a crapshoot and can blow up in a franchises face. Petrie perfect example,the moves and drafts he made led you to believe he was tanking when in reality he was atrocious.
 
Going from 48% to 50% to 52% TS% through 3 years is nothing to drool over. That's snail pace. They're all bad.

I will give him credit that he's improving and not regressing, but right now, his best year is 52% TS. Very poor efficiency for a post player.

He has a way to go.
Or quite possibly not:

Tim Duncan, age 22-24:
age 22: .495FG .690FT .541TS% 21.7pts/gm
age 23: .490FG .761FT .555TS% 23.2pts/gm
age 24: .499FG .618FT .536TS% 22.2pts/gm

Patrick Ewing age 23-24:
age 23: .474FG .739FT .526TS% 20.0pts/gm
age 24: .503FG .713FT .549TS% 21.5pts/gm

Cousins
age 23: .491FG .690FT .532TS% 23.5pts/gm
 
For every young center who improved and became Duncan, quite a few never got there.

Duncan is also a multiple all-nba defense selection. Something we can safely say Cousins will never achieve.

But let's just leave it at that and hope Cousins keeps improving.
 
Sorry to bring a discussion that deserves to die a horrible death back up, but this just keeps bothering me, and I can't let it go. This whole TS% nonsense is like the basketball equivalent of "if it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college" to me. I mean, of all of the statistics to try and use as the basis for a player not being a Number One option, TS%? Really? True Shooting Percentage is a metric that you use to find players to put around a player like Cousins. You don't use it to determine whether or not a player is a worthy Number One option. The very idea is ridiculous on its face; it's head-explodingly asinine.

And the numbers themselves say so: the Number One player in the league this season in TS% is Anthony Morrow. The rest of your Top Five are Kyle Korver, Jae Crowder, Wesley Matthews and Jodie Meeks. Any NBA head coach making any of those guys their Number One option would be thrown off the top of the tallest building in whatever town they're coaching in. There are only three guys in the Top Twenty for PPG this season who are also in the Top Twenty for TS%: LeBron James (#3 and #9, respectively), Stephen Curry (#18/#12) and Klay Thompson (#19/#14). Since Curry and Thompson play on the same team, obviously one of them isn't the number one option. And LeBron is the only one of those three who would still be the #1 option if paired with anyone else in the scoring Top 10.

If you want to look career-wise, the Top Ten for career scoring average, among active players (as of October 28) are:
James
Kevin Durant
Kobe Bryant
Carmelo Anthony
Dwyane Wade
Dirk Nowitzki
Paul Pierce
Amar'e Stoudemire
Vince Carter
Tim Duncan

Of those ten, Durant, Nowitzki and Stoudemire are the players who are also on the Top Ten active career TS%, which includes such go-to players as Tyson Chandler (#1), Kevin Martin (#4) and Nenê (#6). Effective Field Goal Percentage is equally ridiculous, including such luminaries as Mike Miller (#6), Chris Wilcox (who may or may not still be in the league, at #7), and José Calderon (#8).

What that indicates to me is that True Shooting Percentage has little to no correlation to whether or not a player is a worthy #1 option. A much better indication is how many times that guy gets double teams, or how many times he's guarded by the other team's best defender. No coach in the NBA is drawing up schemes to try and stop Jae Crowder; quite a few are drawing up schemes to try and stop DeMarcus Cousins.

If you're looking for a second or third option then, by all means, let TS% and eFG% be your guide. But, if you're using those metrics to find a go-to guy, and that guy isn't nicknamed "The King," then you're probably on a slow boat to nowhere.
 
Again, Cousin's claim to fame is his offense. But you simply cannot be considered a star big man when your TS% is 50.3 and you can't defend like Ben Wallace.

Like I said, he has tremendous potential, but he hasn't done a lick to warrant any talk of first option. Hell he hasn't done a lick to warrant 2nd option on an elite team.

Cousins need to have a full season of acceptable TS% before he deserves any kind of star talk.

That's BS. No matter his efficieny, 23 and 11, his good post game and decent mid range is enough to warrant talk of being a first option.
 
That's BS. No matter his efficieny, 23 and 11, his good post game and decent mid range is enough to warrant talk of being a first option.

Even if we are taking efficiency into account, this season Demarcus is 5th in the league in PER, behind only Kevin Love, Anthony Davis, Chris Paul, and Kevin Durant.
 
Sorry to bring a discussion that deserves to die a horrible death back up, but this just keeps bothering me, and I can't let it go. This whole TS% nonsense is like the basketball equivalent of "if it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college" to me. I mean, of all of the statistics to try and use as the basis for a player not being a Number One option, TS%? Really? True Shooting Percentage is a metric that you use to find players to put around a player like Cousins. You don't use it to determine whether or not a player is a worthy Number One option. The very idea is ridiculous on its face; it's head-explodingly asinine.

And the numbers themselves say so: the Number One player in the league this season in TS% is Anthony Morrow. The rest of your Top Five are Kyle Korver, Jae Crowder, Wesley Matthews and Jodie Meeks. Any NBA head coach making any of those guys their Number One option would be thrown off the top of the tallest building in whatever town they're coaching in. There are only three guys in the Top Twenty for PPG this season who are also in the Top Twenty for TS%: LeBron James (#3 and #9, respectively), Stephen Curry (#18/#12) and Klay Thompson (#19/#14). Since Curry and Thompson play on the same team, obviously one of them isn't the number one option. And LeBron is the only one of those three who would still be the #1 option if paired with anyone else in the scoring Top 10.

If you want to look career-wise, the Top Ten for career scoring average, among active players (as of October 28) are:
James
Kevin Durant
Kobe Bryant
Carmelo Anthony
Dwyane Wade
Dirk Nowitzki
Paul Pierce
Amar'e Stoudemire
Vince Carter
Tim Duncan

Of those ten, Durant, Nowitzki and Stoudemire are the players who are also on the Top Ten active career TS%, which includes such go-to players as Tyson Chandler (#1), Kevin Martin (#4) and Nenê (#6). Effective Field Goal Percentage is equally ridiculous, including such luminaries as Mike Miller (#6), Chris Wilcox (who may or may not still be in the league, at #7), and José Calderon (#8).

What that indicates to me is that True Shooting Percentage has little to no correlation to whether or not a player is a worthy #1 option. A much better indication is how many times that guy gets double teams, or how many times he's guarded by the other team's best defender. No coach in the NBA is drawing up schemes to try and stop Jae Crowder; quite a few are drawing up schemes to try and stop DeMarcus Cousins.

If you're looking for a second or third option then, by all means, let TS% and eFG% be your guide. But, if you're using those metrics to find a go-to guy, and that guy isn't nicknamed "The King," then you're probably on a slow boat to nowhere.

ROFL I don't know where to start. Sometimes it's just not worth explaining to u people. U guys have already made up your mind that you will live and die by Cousins. I'm a Kings fan, not a Cousins fan. All I've seen is a classic inefficient first option on a bad team, on top of maturity issues, no leadership quality, and porous lazy defense for long stretches. Give it another few weeks and a few more losses and these problems will rear their heads once again. I have no faith in that guy's ability to lead this team.

I guarantee that when and if the Kings are good enough to contend in this league, Cousins won't be the 1st option on that team. Decent chance he won't even be the 2nd option. He might not even be on the team.

If Cousins is the best player on this team for years to come, this team won't come close to contending for anything. Book it. I can't wait to bump this for the LULs.
 
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ROFL I don't know where to start. Sometimes it's just not worth explaining to people.

I guarantee that when and if the Kings are good enough to contend in this league, Cousins won't be the 1st option on that team. May not even be the 2nd option. May not even be on the team. I'll bump this for the LULs.

What a terribly stupid thing to say.

And also a terribly argumentative one on a Kings board. I almost hate to bring that up because anybody saying it on any board is still being stupid and should be called out as such. But here? Rethink.
 
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ROFL I don't know where to start. Sometimes it's just not worth explaining to u people. U guys have already made up your mind that you will live and die by Cousins. I'm a Kings fan, not a Cousins fan. All I've seen is a classic inefficient first option on a bad team, on top of maturity issues, no leadership quality, and porous lazy defense for long stretches. Give it another few weeks and a few more losses and these problems will rear their heads once again. I have no faith in that guy's ability to lead this team.

I guarantee that when and if the Kings are good enough to contend in this league, Cousins won't be the 1st option on that team. Decent chance he won't even be the 2nd option. He might not even be on the team.

If Cousins is the best player on this team for years to come, this team won't come close to contending for anything. Book it. I can't wait to bump this for the LULs.

if that's all you've seen, then you're really not paying close enough attention. like, at all. there is, quite honestly, a grand canyon's worth of difference between the demarcus cousins of this season and the demarcus cousins of the past three seasons. he's picking his spots much better on offense, and flat-out dominating down low. he's giving consistent effort on defense, though it will take him time to become consistently effective on that side of the floor. he's generally biting his tongue over bad calls or missed calls, and his rapport with the referees is much more well-mannered. he's showing a greater affinity for avoiding fouls in man-to-man defense, though he's still prone to picking up silly, unnecessary fouls from time to time by reaching in. he's been a positive force in the community, and is doing his best to establish a new relationship with the fans...

the kings are not a talented team. they're going to lose a lot of games, so it's going to be a frustrating, up-and-down season for demarcus, and there's nothing wrong with that whatsoever. it's good for him. we'll see how he manages his way through the adversity. personally, i think he's responded very well to the new organization's challenge that he should be the first man in the building and the last man out. i've been an admirer of some of your positions since you arrived at kf.com, but you seem to have no handle whatsoever on the player cousins is becoming right in front of everyone's eyes...

is DMC going to rise to lebron james status as a "leader" and cultural figure? no, he probably won't, but i'm not even convinced that lebron is a particularly gifted "leader." the perception simply claims that he is. chris paul is widely regarded as the "leader" of a newly-minted contender in los angeles, but even that guy has a nasty habit of flailing about and flopping like an absolute weenie, setting a poor example of sportsmanship for his teammates. kevin durant is widely regarded as the "leader" of a perennial contender in oklahoma city, but his occasional passivity and otherwise stoic demeanor aren't exactly the stuff of inspiration. the same goes for derrick rose...

the fact of the matter is that talent wins games, and demarcus cousins has the talent to help this kings team become a winner, if surrounded by more than scraps off the MLE heap. but leadership can come from anywhere. chris webber was the kings' greatest talent over a decade ago, but vlade divac was the unquestioned leader of that team. people claim that isaiah thomas is "the heart and soul of this team." if you are in a position to draft a superb and egoless talent like jabari parker, then you may be the rest of the way there, on both the talent and leadership front. that said, if demarcus continues to play like an all-star caliber center, continues to give consistent effort on both sides of the floor, continues to challenge his teammates to do the same, continues to be a fiery, passionate presence on the court, the only reason the kings may not "come close to contending for anything" is because the front office failed to properly build around cousins...

i'm continually amazed by a great many kings fans, who seem to love pointing the finger at what isn't the problem. mediocre talents, bad contracts, imbalanced roster, poor management, poor ownership, poor coaching... pick any of them and more across the last seven years. demarcus has steps to take if he's going to fully realize his potential, but he's in the process of taking those steps right now. he's making strides. isaiah thomas continues to grow into his sixth man role. vasquez looked good last night. and mclemore, while coming along slowly, is showing flashes. coach is making an impression. snag a #2 option in the draft, ditch as many of the mediocre spare parts as possible, and surround what's left with sturdy, defensive-minded roleplayers. that's a recipe for future success, regardless of your lack of faith in cousins' ability to lead...
 
ROFL I don't know where to start. Sometimes it's just not worth explaining to u people. U guys have already made up your mind that you will live and die by Cousins. I'm a Kings fan, not a Cousins fan. All I've seen is a classic inefficient first option on a bad team, on top of maturity issues, no leadership quality, and porous lazy defense for long stretches. Give it another few weeks and a few more losses and these problems will rear their heads once again. I have no faith in that guy's ability to lead this team.

I guarantee that when and if the Kings are good enough to contend in this league, Cousins won't be the 1st option on that team. Decent chance he won't even be the 2nd option. He might not even be on the team.

If Cousins is the best player on this team for years to come, this team won't come close to contending for anything. Book it. I can't wait to bump this for the LULs.

Given that you want to come back and show "us" how right you are, you have lost credibility. You cannot have a rational, unbiased opinion and say: "I can't wait to bump this for the LULs."

I hope you have fun alone with your ideas. If you don't rise to the level of trolldom and be totally irrelevant, I presume we will see more notes from you. The problem in interpreting what you have to say going forward is to try to pick out your hidden agenda. I have lost respect for you.
 
ROFL I don't know where to start. Sometimes it's just not worth explaining to u people. U guys have already made up your mind that you will live and die by Cousins. I'm a Kings fan, not a Cousins fan. All I've seen is a classic inefficient first option on a bad team, on top of maturity issues, no leadership quality, and porous lazy defense for long stretches. Give it another few weeks and a few more losses and these problems will rear their heads once again. I have no faith in that guy's ability to lead this team.

I guarantee that when and if the Kings are good enough to contend in this league, Cousins won't be the 1st option on that team. Decent chance he won't even be the 2nd option. He might not even be on the team.

If Cousins is the best player on this team for years to come, this team won't come close to contending for anything. Book it. I can't wait to bump this for the LULs.

I'm sorry, but to me, these two statements contradict one another. If you were a Kings fan, you would hope that Cousins realizes his potential and becomes a great center in this league. However, you're indicating that you would rather Cousins not realize his potential and play the "I told you so" game later. If you are truly a Kings Fan, you wouldn't feel the need to say I told you so if a player of ours (who has franchise center/#1 option ability) does not reach his potential.

I've seen people mention that you are a Warriors fan before on this site so I guess that last comment makes sense considering the worse Cousins does, the more opportunity the Warriors have of being the best in the division. But please, don't insult the rest of us by saying you're a Kings fan when you "root" for our players to not realize their potential.
 
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