Who DON'T you want the Kings to pick?
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Jechtsphere
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Danilo Gallinari and Joe Alexander for me.
PurpleHaze
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No Anthony Randolph, please! I'd take Jason Thompson before him (projected to go 30-35 overall from what I'm seeing). The others all have various pluses and minuses, but I would not rant if any of them are selected because I'm sure GP would have his reason after seeing what's left at #12.
I still think trading down makes a lot of sense, like a deal with someone below us who has a higher second rounder - like about 10 spots up from where we sit with our 2 picks.
I still think trading down makes a lot of sense, like a deal with someone below us who has a higher second rounder - like about 10 spots up from where we sit with our 2 picks.
Bricklayer
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Well Randolph certainaly seems an intriguing player given his length and youth.
nbrans
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On paper Randolph seems intriguing, but I've watched just about everything I can find on the internet, and he looks extremely awkward on the court. It's almost like every shot that he makes (other than the dunks, obviously), looks like a lucky shot that just happened to go in. Statistically he's also a bit worrisome since he is pretty much in the bottom of range of nearly every category. And then there's the position factor -- he himself has said he's more of a 3, and given that he's incredibly skinny and weighs less than 200 pounds I don't really see how he could play power forward in the near future.
Young, athletic, long: yes. But I think there's an extremely high bust potential. I guess I wouldn't begrudge the pick, but it would worry me.
Oh, and Chad Ford says he's a Top 5 talent, which should really make you start questioning things right there.
Young, athletic, long: yes. But I think there's an extremely high bust potential. I guess I wouldn't begrudge the pick, but it would worry me.
Oh, and Chad Ford says he's a Top 5 talent, which should really make you start questioning things right there.
PurpleHaze
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Ford's opening quote on Randolph in seeming to goat the Kings into making the pick at #12: "If Randolph is still on the board here, the Kings will have to pull their trigger." Then Ford goes on to describe how Randolph could be a great Kings running mate for Kevin Martin and Spencer Hawes into the future. I'm not buying it and I hope GP doesn't either.
SacKings7
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I'd actually be somewhat ok with any of these players, but I voted for Arthur and Hibbert. Arthur because I think he's undersized and I don't see him as being a great player. Hibbert because I simply don't want to draft him with the #12. If it were a later pick, then I'd be ok with Hibbert.
I, for one, am on the Anthony Randolph bandwagon. He has his flaws, but everyone does at this point in the draft. I just think he has the most potential out of anyone. Worst case, I see him as a Charlie Villanueva type. Best case, who knows?
I, for one, am on the Anthony Randolph bandwagon. He has his flaws, but everyone does at this point in the draft. I just think he has the most potential out of anyone. Worst case, I see him as a Charlie Villanueva type. Best case, who knows?
CruzDude
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Same can be said for McGee, if you have the patience to get him up to NBA speed and shape in a year or two.
Big Cuz 15
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i voted hibbert, gallinari and darrell arthur. i'd prefer the kings roll the dice and pick a player with potential since we aren't going anywhere with the current make up of the team.
bajaden
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I'm afraid I missed the multiple choice part also. I voted against Jordan. My next choice would have been Randoff. Not because I don't think he can become a good player, but because we need a PF and I just don't see him as one. It wouldn't surprise me to see the Kings make a reach and take Jason Thompson. I've read in several newspapers around the league that he had a good workout with the Kings in attendance and that the Kings organization was impressed with him. Only the Shadow knows.....
Speights
McGee
Gallinari
Hibbert (generally I like him a lot, but he doesn't make sense for us anymore)
Arthur is my guy, though. He's a bit undersized, but is also going to get bigger as he matures (mass-wise, anyway), has length and is a good athlete.
Then Alexander and Randolph.
Westbrook will be gone and so will Augustin.
McGee
Gallinari
Hibbert (generally I like him a lot, but he doesn't make sense for us anymore)
Arthur is my guy, though. He's a bit undersized, but is also going to get bigger as he matures (mass-wise, anyway), has length and is a good athlete.
Then Alexander and Randolph.
Westbrook will be gone and so will Augustin.
bench_blob
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How could you not be a fan of Joe Alexander? True, he does not fit an immediate need, but this guy is a baller.
Here is some really impressive video:
http://72.167.32.125/admincp/profiles/joealexander.html
nbrans
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Because athletic 3's without skills are a dime a dozen. He's not that young (21), and I don't trust that he's going to improve his handle and jump shot enough to be a real contributor. He got a lot of his points on the block in college, but that's not really going to be as easy in the NBA when he's going up against guys who are as big and athletic as he is.
I like his athleticism and he probably has his place in the NBA as a Jamario Moon/Ime Udoka type, but I don't think he makes sense as a lottery pick.
bajaden
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Please nbrans, can we at least be real here. He is not without skills, and to make that statement just tells me you haven't seen him play. His improvement in his last year of college was dramatic. So why do think that a guy that is workaholic is not going to improve any futher? Simply because you said so. What do you base it on??? As I said before, if you don't like him for you pick fine. But comparing him to Luke Jackson. Please!! They are nothing alike as players.
As I have stated before. He is not my choice for the pick, but I'm at least willing to recognize what his abilitys are.
nbrans
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Why would you accuse me of not seeing this guy play? I've watched him plenty, particularly at the end of the season, when he was at his best. You think I'm just making these opinions up?
My problem with Alexander is that the things he was good at in college (scoring off the block) are not going to be as available to him in the NBA when he's going up against guys his size and at his athletic ability. He doesn't have very advanced moves off the dribble (and in fact struggles with his handle), his pull-up jump shot needs a whole lot of work since he's rarely on balance, and he has to develop a mid-range game. His shooting is extremely inconsistent. He wasn't actually a very good rebounder in college when he absolutely should have been.
Yes, he could improve. Yes, supposedly he's a workaholic. Yes, he's athletic. Best case I see him as someone like Luol Deng -- hustling and with a mid-range game, probably not ever going to be a real threat from 3. But he has a long way to go to get there, and Luol Deng was only 19 when he entered the NBA (and already had a solid mid-range game). Alexander is 21 without one.
If we were picking #15-20 and we needed a SF, fine. You hope for a lot of improvement and in the meantime he's got great size and athleticism. But at #12 with three SFs already, the pick just wouldn't make sense.
And the Luke Jackson comparison wasn't the style of play (Jackson was more of a perimeter guy), just that people tend to get overly excited about athletic white guys in the draft. No way Jackson should have been a #10 pick. I'd actually love to see a racial analysis of draft picks, especially non-center. American white guys almost always seem to be drafted way too high. Adam Morrison, JJ Redick, Mike Dunleavy, Luke Jackson, Kris Humphries, Nick Collison... just about the only guys who weren't drafted too early I can think of were Kirk Hinrich, David Lee and Troy Murphy.
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bajaden
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Do you honestly believe that teams really care what color a player is? I'm not saying that to be a smart ***, I'm really curious. There may be some racial predudice out there, but I really don't think that color comes into it. Bottom line for any team is winning, and if a guy thats blue is the best player, I'm going to take him.
Now.. Here's where I have a problem with your analogy of Alexander. And, I will admit that I have the added advantage of just watching 4 games from last year. One at the beginning and three at the end.. Here's the deal. In all of the games I watched, I saw him do a pull up jumpshot, one time, and, he missed. All the other times he shot a turn around jumpshot from about 10 to 15 ft in. I, personaly would call that a midrange shot. Against Pittsburg, he was 11 out of 16 from the floor. Of those 16 shots, 6 were jumpshots and he made 4 of them. However, his first shot of the game was a baseline jumpshot and he actually shot it behind the basket. Pretty funny actually. He ended up with 30 pts in the game. Had a repeat performance against UCONN two weeks later. A couple of weeks prior to the Pittsburg game I beleive he scored 28 pts and had 10 rebounds, again against UCONN.
I will admit, that at this time, he doesn't always look pretty. But he wasn't playing against chopped liver. He went right at Thabeet a couple of times in both the games. Got his shot blocked a couple of times. So yes, he needs to learn more about playing in the low post. But if everyone thinks he's too small to play in the low post, then so are Arthur, Beasley, Love, Jackson, and Hendrix, because he's, for the most part, barring a quarter of an inch one way or another, just as tall as they are. He can jump higher than they can, and he's stronger than they are. The difference is, that their more skilled than he is at this point.
I apologize for being so long winded, and I respect your opinion. Thats why I'm taking so long to explain mine. Hey, Alexander is going to be gone before we pick anyway, so I don't think its an issue. Who else can we argue about?
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All of them except westbrook
nbrans
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I don't think teams are necessarily saying, "Hey, let's pick the white guy!" and I actually don't know if it even factors in on a subconscious level. But I don't know, I feel like when guys like Adam Morrison, Kevin Love and Joe Alexander come along people get extremely excited, talking about how they're "throwbacks" and their "baksetball IQ" etc. etc. etc. Meanwhile, everyone overlooked Morrison's lack of athleticism, I think they're doing the same to some degree with Love, and I may just be biased against Alexander, but I think people have started to overlook Alexander's flaws.
Sure, mostly it may be because this is an extremely crappy SF class. But why is Alexander getting so much more attention than Chris Douglas-Roberts and Brandon Rush, for instance? Maybe it's Alexander's athleticism, but those guys are no slouches athletically themselves.
But that's neither here nor there. You're right that Alexander can shoot that turn-around, but it's an example of a shot that I don't know is going to be as available to him in the pros. LeBron isn't letting him hit that shot, for instance, particularly when he knows it's his favorite move. So what is he going to fall back on? That's the key -- he's going to have to learn some pull-ups, drives, and dribble moves, otherwise he's toast on offense.
nbrans
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According to DraftExpress, Anthony Randolph refused to work out for us.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Word-on-the-Street-Rounding-Up-2940/
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Word-on-the-Street-Rounding-Up-2940/
PurpleHaze
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LPKingsFan
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Ugh. There's no chance Petrie drafts a raw prospect like Randolph at #12 without working him out.
At this point, I'm leaning towards trading down. Maybe we could pick up an extra piece or two or dump a bad contract while still getting a Jason Thompson or Marrese Speights or Alexis Ajinka. Unfortunately, I don't see Petrie making any moves like that either, as his history seems to be just drafting who he likes where he's at. Although I guess he tried last year, so I could be wrong.
At this point, I'm leaning towards trading down. Maybe we could pick up an extra piece or two or dump a bad contract while still getting a Jason Thompson or Marrese Speights or Alexis Ajinka. Unfortunately, I don't see Petrie making any moves like that either, as his history seems to be just drafting who he likes where he's at. Although I guess he tried last year, so I could be wrong.
Arby's Roast Beef
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I voted against the entire list because I'm starting to grow some disdain for the pick we have; the way things have shaped up this past week, we have a lot of potential players in play for us (Anthony Randolph, DeAndre Jordan, Alexis Ajinca, JaVale McGee), solid players but nothing overly special IMO (Darrell Arthur, Kosta Koufos), and now, some mock drafts are even speculating on Mario Chalmers and Roy Hibbert for us, who are both definitely late 1st rounders in terms of talent in this draft. I do believe that Randolph will be a bust in the league merely because I don't think he's "proven" enough (his team didn't make the tourney) and he has some real flaws-- he's way too skinny and ridiculously turnover prone, and lacks three point range. DeAndre Jordan, another guy with huge bust potential despite the fact that I think we can use his big-man athleticism on our team, just not at #12. I'm not buying the Ajinca overhype--like Westbrook, the guy seems to have catapulted from late 1st round to even lotto territory by being merely a workout warrior--has skills and a lot of clay to work with because his body is so intriguing, but whether he has the toughness and fortitude to reach his ceiling I'm not sure. McGee--he's a 18-22 range pick, not #12. I'm not an advocate of any of the draft players above, obviously, so let's go to the ones I like...
Even though I was a huge advocate for Russell Westbrook and quite frankly, still am, he's probably nowhere around our range anymore as his stock has catapulted just this past week. I do want the Kings to pick him, but seeing him thrive on another team has sparked some of my disdain for him now, so yeah, it's a knee-jerk reaction "No" in the poll for him.
I've illustrated my appreciation of Joe Alexander in past threads, but the more I think about it, the more I don't think our team needs him...he'll be a great fit for another team. We have too many SFs, and to me he's just a high-IQ athlete initially who may do a little bit of everything, but eventually he's going to need to settle for a definite bread-and-butter in this league.
Even though I was a huge advocate for Russell Westbrook and quite frankly, still am, he's probably nowhere around our range anymore as his stock has catapulted just this past week. I do want the Kings to pick him, but seeing him thrive on another team has sparked some of my disdain for him now, so yeah, it's a knee-jerk reaction "No" in the poll for him.
I've illustrated my appreciation of Joe Alexander in past threads, but the more I think about it, the more I don't think our team needs him...he'll be a great fit for another team. We have too many SFs, and to me he's just a high-IQ athlete initially who may do a little bit of everything, but eventually he's going to need to settle for a definite bread-and-butter in this league.
PurpleHaze
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A lot of the most recent talk I'm hearing is this years draft may not be quite what it was originally all cracked up to be - in other words relatively mediocre and not really that deep. Just more reason to hope some miraculously worthy #12 pick PG falls to us (Westbrook, Augustin, or Chalmers). I think we almost have to pull the trigger on one of those three if one is around because of need - virtually desperate need since Kings have exactly ZERO PG's on our roster at this point. Can we guarantee Beno Udrih is in a Kings uniform next season - no. Can we guarantee back-up Anthony Johnson or decent free agent PG is picked up before training camp - no. As bad as I want a stud PF we already have for better or worse a roster choked with PF's - Mikki Moore, Shelden Williams, SAR, K-9 - even Ron Artest as a post-up player. Add bigs Brad Miller and Spencer Hawes, plus all our wings, and it's obvious our biggest need is PG and then to a slightly lesser degree PF. If we can't get a worthy of #12 pick PF I think we simply may have to take one of the three PG's (or so-called PG's) lest the Kings are left hanging shockingly naked at that critical position.
So that means, I'm strongly on board now for Westbrook (where early on I wasn't since he's more a combo), but he's likely long gone by the time Kings pick. I'd probably take Augustin before Chalmers, but maybe not. Bottom line for me is this. If Westbrook is gone (very likely) and Augustin not standing (maybe taken #11 by Indiana) I have no problem picking Mario Chalmers at #12 by default - and I'd be happy with the pick due to circumstances.
So that means, I'm strongly on board now for Westbrook (where early on I wasn't since he's more a combo), but he's likely long gone by the time Kings pick. I'd probably take Augustin before Chalmers, but maybe not. Bottom line for me is this. If Westbrook is gone (very likely) and Augustin not standing (maybe taken #11 by Indiana) I have no problem picking Mario Chalmers at #12 by default - and I'd be happy with the pick due to circumstances.
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Bricklayer
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