Who do you want the Kings to Draft at #6?

Who do you want the Kings to Draft at #6?

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If WCS falls to us we absoluteley must make that pick. IF he doesnt then we trust Vlade as a judge for talent but honestly we all know WCS leads us to a significant improvement in Defense which translates to a greater win % at a higher rate than any other pick we can make at 6.
 
Sac.1989 said:
If WCS falls to us we absoluteley must make that pick. IF he doesnt then we trust Vlade as a judge for talent but honestly we all know WCS leads us to a significant improvement in Defense which translates to a greater win % at a higher rate than any other pick we can make at 6.
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Strongly disagree. I've already explained why. I think Mudiay is the best-case scenario for us and a wing defender would have a greater impact on our win % next season than either Cauley-Stein or Porzingis.
 
This is a big decision for the team. Vlade mentioned wanting stability and if he wants it on the court WCS should be the pick. He is a pretty sure thing who immediately impacts the defense and has a nice enough jumper to help on offense.
On the other hand, he probably won't be a star and the Kings still need another star to take us beyond just playoff hopes. The draft is the only way to get us a second star. I'd take Mudiay if both are still on the board.
 
hrdboild said:
Strongly disagree. I've already explained why. I think Mudiay is the best-case scenario for us and a wing defender would have a greater impact on our win % next season than either Cauley-Stein or Porzingis.
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The best case for us is WCS :D

Mudiay intrigues but i dont think he is anyone who we strongly consider and we'd take Payne over him if we were looking for a PG.

If WCS is off the table (and we keep the pick) its Porzingis, Winslow and Hezonia and im willing to bet you an opening night ticket to our new arena on that :P
 
I like Hezonja, but not for this team. He will be a volume guy in in the league. Much like JR Smith or Marcus Thornton. I think he will be better than those guys but on a team with DMC and Rudy, everyone else is going to be on 4 to 8 shots a game. If you are drafting Mario you better be ready to make him a focal part of your offense.
 
Sac.1989 said:
The best case for us is WCS :D

Mudiay intrigues but i dont think he is anyone who we strongly consider and we'd take Payne over him if we were looking for a PG.

If WCS is off the table (and we keep the pick) its Porzingis, Winslow and Hezonia and im willing to bet you an opening night ticket to our new arena on that :p
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I don't have anything to wager in return :) but all I can say is, God I hope not! I'd be okay with Winslow though there will be better players on the board. I don't want Cauley-Stein, Porzingis, or Hezonja at all. Not my type of players.

We have no track record with Vlade, so it's tough to gauge what he's thinking. Carmichael Dave says we have no interest in Mudiay but I think he's full of it. Mudiay might be the best overall prospect in the draft and we desperately need a guard who can get all the way to the basket and create easy looks for everyone else. Picking him is a no-brainer if he's still there at 6.

Stanley Johnson might not be the shooter that Hezonja is, but he's a better all around basketball player and he compliments Rudy at the 4 better as well because of his ability to guard 3 different positions. Winslow is a similar player, but Stanley Johnson can create his own shot and Winslow is more of a 3 and D type of guy with no mid-range game whatsoever.

And I'd take the solid fundamental interior presence of Myles Turner over Porzingis' lanky ball skills or Cauley-Stein's hyperactive gambling defense. Porzingis is all potential as far as I'm concerned and I'm not going to be fooled by how great he or Cauley-Stein look in an open gym. Both guys are going to have problems playing through contact. Every year somebody gets overly excited by the new "white whale" of the do-it-all 7 foot athlete and every year they disappoint once they have to play in an NBA game. I'm not sold on either of those guys. Turner isn't nearly as flashy, but he has the skillset you need from a bigman (excellent defensive rebounder, excellent shotblocker, reliable mid-range jumper) and the body profile (9'4" standing reach, 240lbs already as a 19yr old) to excel at the C position.

I'm fully prepared for the front office to disappoint me again, but I sure hope they're smart enough to get this pick right because Cousins' future in Sacramento may depend on it.
 
What we need from this draft is a player that can have an immediate impact. Whether that's WCS or Winslow, to a degree it doesn't matter much (though preferably, you hope to get a shot blocker via a draft simply because they are cheaper that way). Either way the player must make an impact. They might not be a starter in their rookie year but they need to be a solid, dependable rotation player on a play off team!
 
Čarolija said:
What we need from this draft is a player that can have an immediate impact. Whether that's WCS or Winslow, to a degree it doesn't matter much (though preferably, you hope to get a shot blocker via a draft simply because they are cheaper that way). Either way the player must make an impact. They might not be a starter in their rookie year but they need to be a solid, dependable rotation player on a play off team!
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Do we but? I understand the logic (you want the most possible help you can get for Cuz) of it but I don't think any rookies (after the first 1-3 picks) impact will be the difference between us making the playoffs or not. I would rather take the guy with the highest potential (don't know who that is). I believe the help/impact we get for Cousins almost has to come via trade/free agency and you sort of need a piece or two to build around/invest in if thing go pear shaped which they more often than not have been for us.
 
Most immediate impact would be Frank, and I certainly don't want him.
My argument for WCS is "he is most talented for a team with DMC and Rudy already on the roster". His readiness just makes it even more obvious decision for me. If draft plays out in a way, that allows Kings to trade down and get additional value, even better!
If you change the debate to complete abstraction "let's start with a clean roster", I still don't see anyone outside of two bigs, who is clearly ahead of him, using Max Reachable Potential x Likelihood of Reaching Potential criteria.
 
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KingMilz said:
Do we but? I understand the logic (you want the most possible help you can get for Cuz) of it but I don't think any rookies (after the first 1-3 picks) impact will be the difference between us making the playoffs or not. I would rather take the guy with the highest potential (don't know who that is). I believe the help/impact we get for Cousins almost has to come via trade/free agency and you sort of need a piece or two to build around/invest in if thing go pear shaped which they more often than not have been for us.
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If you think nobody can have an impact now, then you trade the pick for a vet who can.
 
Gilles said:
Most immediate impact would be Frank, and I certainly don't want him.
My argument for WCS is "he is most talented for a team with DMC and Rudy already on the roster". His readiness just makes it even more obvious decision for me. If draft plays out in a way, that allows Kings to trade down and get additional value, even better!
If you change the debate to complete abstraction "let's start with a clean roster", I still don't see anyone outside of two bigs, who is clearly ahead of him, using Max Reachable Potential x Likelihood of Reaching Potential criteria.
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i haven't weighed in much on the upcoming draft yet, but i find myself believing that WCS is such an exceptional fit in the kings' frontcourt, and could also easily be considered BPA if he were to fall to the kings at 6. i love WCS' nba readiness (on at least one side of the ball), and i love the possibilities presented by his defensive flexibility. i'm not convinced that "pace and space" is the basketball evolution that every team should adapt to on offense, but i do agree with the prevailing notion that versatility on the defensive end is more important than ever. quite a few scouts say that WCS can guard positions 1-5, and while i think that may be more than a tad hyperbolic, it's rather tantalizing to think about the kings--ever-resistant to defensive commitment as a franchise for the last decade--drafting a player who can successfully guard positions 3-5. his quickness is impressive for a player of his size, and his court awareness on the defensive end is top-notch. while his offensive skills may need some massaging upon arrival, i'm convinced that he could help improve the kings' defense on day 1...
 
Gary said:
Maybe there is a smokescreen? I doubt he goes past Orlando, and he's DEFINITELY not getting past us.. So he'll either go 5th or 6th. It's pretty much guaranteed.
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Truth is, no one knows who is telling the truth. Just read some Orlando newspapers, and now they happen to like Hezonja quite a bit. The flavor keeps changing every day. Was looking at a WCS workout for someone, and Don McLean said that WCS is the most athletic big man he's ever seen in his career. He said some compare him to Tyson Chandler, but Chandler wasn't ever as athletic as Willie, and some compare him to DeAndre Jordan, but Jordan can't defend on the perimiter like WCS. WCS is going to be a special player, and the basketball god's have ordained that he play for us.
 
Gilles said:
Everyone with any knowledge of Orlando claims, that it's Porzingis, then Winslow/Hezonja, and WCS after those two. Thing is Hennigan is the only one that matters and he's certainly not talking just like Vlade.
Everything is a smokescreen right now, until the morning of 25th. Then it becomes pretty clear for lottery at least.

P.S. Lakers asked all three of Okafor, Russell and Mudiay for a second workout. Either their FO is split on draft target, or they are trying to force someone to trade for #2.
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Yeah, Orlando has had Porzingis in twice as well. I realize that WCS is wowing everyone with his jumpshot, but everyone looks good shooting against no one. Well, not everyone, but you get what I mean. Point is, Orlando needs offense, and any of Porzingis, Winslow, or Hezonja make sense for them. I guess we'll know soon enough. All I know is that if I'm going to get well enough for summer league, I dammed well better see WCS in a Kings uniform.
 
Ford tweeted that WCS was sliding a bit yesterday. There's been a lot of Hezjona press the last few days, and his 18 points in the title game were timed very well. A week ago I would have bet my last dollar WCS wasn't going to be there for us, today I'm pretty confident he will.

I think the Kings will have their choice of WCS and Mudiay, and I'm not totally convinced they don't love Mudiay and are smoke screening. After all, Karl is a big dribble drive offense guy, and Mudiay is the best dribble drive PG in this draft and arguably the best since Tyreke/Wall came out.

I voted WCS, because with cuz we have to play more traditional basketball, which the new fangled "positionless basketball" can exploit with pick and rolls to wear out cuz on the defensive end. if you have a 7 footer next to cuz that can play the pick and roll like wcs does, and you combine that with Cuz who can punish small ball in a special way on the other side, it's a setup that really gives us an advantage against all of these rediculous small balling lineups that are becoming more and more prevalent. (as long as Karl canbreak with his history and slow the pace to exploit our advantage)
 
ovrush said:
Ford tweeted that WCS was sliding a bit yesterday. There's been a lot of Hezjona press the last few days, and his 18 points in the title game were timed very well. A week ago I would have bet my last dollar WCS wasn't going to be there for us, today I'm pretty confident he will.

I think the Kings will have their choice of WCS and Mudiay, and I'm not totally convinced they don't love Mudiay and are smoke screening. After all, Karl is a big dribble drive offense guy, and Mudiay is the best dribble drive PG in this draft and arguably the best since Tyreke/Wall came out.

I voted WCS, because with cuz we have to play more traditional basketball, which the new fangled "positionless basketball" can exploit with pick and rolls to wear out cuz on the defensive end. if you have a 7 footer next to cuz that can play the pick and roll like wcs does, and you combine that with Cuz who can punish small ball in a special way on the other side, it's a setup that really gives us an advantage against all of these rediculous small balling lineups that are becoming more and more prevalent. (as long as Karl canbreak with his history and slow the pace to exploit our advantage)
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If the coaches believe Mudiay is anything like Wall, we absolutely draft him. However, I don't know if Mudiay will be a great playmaker in the NBA like Wall. His tape in China is really hard to judge imo. I'm not sure about Mudiay at this point.
 
hrdboild said:
Strongly disagree. I've already explained why. I think Mudiay is the best-case scenario for us and a wing defender would have a greater impact on our win % next season than either Cauley-Stein or Porzingis.
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WCS can guard outside as well. Not the ideal place but he's a decent wing defender and can guard smaller players if need be. Maybe if we had Gay guarding the PF and WCS take the SF who's on the wing?
 
The reason I wouldnt be upset with WCS is that he is indeed a unique talent that can be used to combat the small ball way the league is trending. He can guard the stretch 4's with length and has the laterral quickness to stay in front of them. His pick and roll defense will be very good. Also his hands are really good, against small ball lineups he will get tons of lob opportunities. If we draft WCS, we must bring back Andre, for the lobs alone. He could be this years D will, but will actually defend. Plus WCS, DMC and Rudy is freakishly long for a frontline.

Thats best case scenario. His rebounding funamentals worry me. Pretty huge for a guy your drafting to be a defensive anchor.
 
"But the buzz around the NBA is that D'Angelo Russell, a 6-5 point guard from Ohio State whom many see as a lesser Stephen Curry-type, doesn't want to play for the unpredictable 76ers. Russell did work out for the 76ers last week.

So that's where European talent Kristaps Porzingis comes into the picture. Porzingis, a 7-foot power forward who has been compared to Nowitzki, is expected to go third to Philadelphia."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nba/la-sp-nba-mock-draft-20150621-story.html


Just wondering if it's a given that if one of the top 3 slide to us would we automatically draft them? I'm pretty sure towns and okafor going 1-2, but now there's a rumor out that Russell might not want to go to philly cuz...well they're the sixers. Let's just say it goes towns-okafor-porzingas-Winslow-hezonjas. (I threw Winslow to the Knicks cuz of another rumor I saw. They prob take Russell but it doesn't fit my question if they do :p). WCS is still there. The consensus pick that to most seem to fit out need. Do we draft him or automatically draft the player who was ranked 3rd on most drafts that slides? For those that would choose mudiay if he slid, would you still choose him if Russell was still there? I've been leaning WCS but I've just been focusing on players who are within our range. Just wondering if everyone else thinks Russell is an automatic bpa pick if he falls or get that pf we've been waiting for to stick next to dmc.
 
I would take Russell in a heartbeat if he fell to us. The only way I see that happening though, is if the draft order goes this way:

Towns
Okafor
Portzingis
WCS
Winslow

Winslow or WCS could switch spots, but that's pretty much the way I see it if (theoretically) Russell got to us.
 
Russell isn't going to get past the Knicks. He's perfect for them. Which is fine, really, because Mudiay is a better fit for us. We don't need another scorer in the backcourt like we need a gifted playmaker and defender. Mudiay is a nice make-up pick for missing on Elfrid Payton. His physical tools are even more impressive and he has both the ability and the willingness to lead an offense. I liked Payton a little more as a passer and defender but Mudiay is a better overall prospect because he's so much more physical. He can get into the teeth of the defense and finish through contact which is something Payton struggles with. Also his jumpshot, while not great, is at least closer to NBA ready than Payton's.
 
hrdboild said:
I don't have anything to wager in return :) but all I can say is, God I hope not! I'd be okay with Winslow though there will be better players on the board. I don't want Cauley-Stein, Porzingis, or Hezonja at all. Not my type of players.

We have no track record with Vlade, so it's tough to gauge what he's thinking. Carmichael Dave says we have no interest in Mudiay but I think he's full of it. Mudiay might be the best overall prospect in the draft and we desperately need a guard who can get all the way to the basket and create easy looks for everyone else. Picking him is a no-brainer if he's still there at 6.

Stanley Johnson might not be the shooter that Hezonja is, but he's a better all around basketball player and he compliments Rudy at the 4 better as well because of his ability to guard 3 different positions. Winslow is a similar player, but Stanley Johnson can create his own shot and Winslow is more of a 3 and D type of guy with no mid-range game whatsoever.

And I'd take the solid fundamental interior presence of Myles Turner over Porzingis' lanky ball skills or Cauley-Stein's hyperactive gambling defense. Porzingis is all potential as far as I'm concerned and I'm not going to be fooled by how great he or Cauley-Stein look in an open gym. Both guys are going to have problems playing through contact. Every year somebody gets overly excited by the new "white whale" of the do-it-all 7 foot athlete and every year they disappoint once they have to play in an NBA game. I'm not sold on either of those guys. Turner isn't nearly as flashy, but he has the skillset you need from a bigman (excellent defensive rebounder, excellent shotblocker, reliable mid-range jumper) and the body profile (9'4" standing reach, 240lbs already as a 19yr old) to excel at the C position.

I'm fully prepared for the front office to disappoint me again, but I sure hope they're smart enough to get this pick right because Cousins' future in Sacramento may depend on it.
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Honestly don't get your love for Turner. I tried to love the guy, but in all honestly, other than his ability to protect the basket, defensively, he can't match up to WCS. Stein can protect the basket just as well, but he can also defend on the perimeter. And he's not a gambling player, he played the way Calapari asked him to play. Turner isn't half the athlete that WCS is. Turner is praised for his ability to shoot the ball from the three, yet he has a terrible percentage from there. Not saying he won't get better, but I can only go on results. I still don't know what to make of Turner's post game, because he spent the majority of his time on the perimeter on offense. May have been by design, but once again, I can only go by what I see, and I watched him play a lot.

As for Mudiay, just what do you really know about him. What does anyone other than scouts that saw him play in china know about him. I've watched as much video as I can find on him, including a couple of complete games, and while he looks like a player with the potential to be pretty good in the future, he doesn't scream star to me. He can penetrate, but not as well as Tyreke could at the same stage. He can't finish as well as Tyreke. I saw him get his shot blocked at the basket time and time again. He seems to have better passing instincts than Tyreke, but not once did he make a pass where I thought wow, that was brilliant. He's obviously a better overall athlete than Tyreke. Let me put it this way, the first time I saw Tyreke play at Memphis, I thought wow, this kid has a chance to be a star if he can solve his shot. I didn't feel that way about Mudiay, who by the way, has much better form on his shot than Tyreke did. I'm not saying he won't turn into a great PG. But I'm not going to talk about him as if that's a given. It's not!
 
Darth Divac said:
Hmmmmm...I've been championing WCS for a long time...but I'm really warming up to the idea of Mario...
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By the way, snice you bring it up, I've watched a ton of video on Hezonja as well as Mudiay, and I have to admit, he has that so called "It" factor. There's no doubt he has a flair for the game, and certainly doesn't lack for confidence. Players fall into two groups. One group says give me the ball, I think I can score. The other group says give me the ball, I will score! Hezonja is in the second group. Hezonja also looks like a very good passer in the film I watched, so he doesn't appear to be a totally selfish player, even if he did almost come to blows with his own center over a pass he didn't make.
 
bajaden said:
Honestly don't get your love for Turner. I tried to love the guy, but in all honestly, other than his ability to protect the basket, defensively, he can't match up to WCS. Stein can protect the basket just as well, but he can also defend on the perimeter. And he's not a gambling player, he played the way Calapari asked him to play. Turner isn't half the athlete that WCS is. Turner is praised for his ability to shoot the ball from the three, yet he has a terrible percentage from there. Not saying he won't get better, but I can only go on results. I still don't know what to make of Turner's post game, because he spent the majority of his time on the perimeter on offense. May have been by design, but once again, I can only go by what I see, and I watched him play a lot.

As for Mudiay, just what do you really know about him. What does anyone other than scouts that saw him play in china know about him. I've watched as much video as I can find on him, including a couple of complete games, and while he looks like a player with the potential to be pretty good in the future, he doesn't scream star to me. He can penetrate, but not as well as Tyreke could at the same stage. He can't finish as well as Tyreke. I saw him get his shot blocked at the basket time and time again. He seems to have better passing instincts than Tyreke, but not once did he make a pass where I thought wow, that was brilliant. He's obviously a better overall athlete than Tyreke. Let me put it this way, the first time I saw Tyreke play at Memphis, I thought wow, this kid has a chance to be a star if he can solve his shot. I didn't feel that way about Mudiay, who by the way, has much better form on his shot than Tyreke did. I'm not saying he won't turn into a great PG. But I'm not going to talk about him as if that's a given. It's not!
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Regarding Turner -- it's a combination of things. His production as a rookie matches up well with other elite prospects. He played limited minutes but he performed when he was on the court. If you look at the FT% and the form on the jumpshot, it's easy to project it as a weapon in the NBA. The results aren't entirely there yet but he's already way ahead of Cauley-Stein as a shooter and he's two and a half years younger. Actually, he's way ahead of where LaMarcus Aldridge was at the same age and Aldridge is one of the best shooting PFs in the league right now. The post game was nowhere to be found at Texas this year, and it was unreliable in high school but I don't see this as a big concern for us. He's big enough to shoot over most defenders and that's going to be where his offense comes from -- either spotted up on the perimeter or backing guys down and then shooting over them.

As a defender, he's nowhere near the athlete that Cauley-Stein is, but I think he plays smarter because he plays more within himself. At Texas he often didn't know where he was supposed to be. That's bad coaching. It doesn't mean much to me because I saw how effective he could be when he stayed in the post and held his ground. He gave Jahlil Okafor fits in the HS All-Star circuit and people are talking about Okafor as the best lowpost scorer in a decade. If you're looking for a franchise corner-stone big guy, Turner is a poor choice because he doesn't show the instincts, touch, or footwork to be a dominant scoring threat down low. But as a complimentary player -- a huge physical presence who cleans up the boards and protects the basket but can also stretch the floor on offense -- he's a great fit I think. Also he's a smart, articulate kid who got raves from the coaching staff at Texas for how dedicated he was to working on his game. If he keeps working on the jumpshot, improving his strength and conditioning, and refining his turnaround jumper and hook shot I can see him developing into a LaMarcus Aldridge level of player -- less scoring probably, but better defense.

I really have to disagree about Mudiay. Not only does he scream star to me, I think he has the highest ceiling of anyone in the draft -- including Towns and Russell. And again this is mostly about projecting growth curve. Like Stanley Johnson he showed this year that he was elite at getting to the basket but didn't know how to finish when he got there. I'm okay with that though if I believe the player is a hard worker and they have the physical qualities to succeed in the NBA. When he really works on his body he'll be able to absorb contact better instead of trying to go around it. The other reason I don't see this a big problem for Mudiay is that he's more of a playmaker than a dedicated scorer. He was a sixth man for Guangdong this year and they asked him to give them scoring punch off the bench, but that won't be his longterm role in the NBA. The best chance we had to see him perform against his peers was in the McDonald's All American game, the Nike Hoop Summit, and the Jordan Brand classic. He was the lead guard for his team in all three of those games and when playing with the elite prospects of his class he didn't try to take over the game as a scorer, he used his ability to get to the basket to set up his teammates.

Regarding the wow factor... I think it can sometimes be deceiving. Sometimes you have prospects who jump off the screen physically but never put in the time needed to improve their game. Watching Mudiay play, I didn't see Rose/Westbrook level explosiveness, I didn't see John Wall speed, I didn't see Chris Paul type handles and craftiness with the ball. So yeah, on the one hand I agree that nothing about his game screams "can't miss". However, what I like so much about Mudiay (and this also applies to my other favorites in Stanley Johnson and to a lesser extent Myles Turner) is that his all-around game is solid, he's extremely gifted physically, and he really wants to get better. Mudiay went to a professional league as a teenager and averaged 18, 6, and 6. That's impressive. Yes his percentages weren't great and he didn't dominate any one aspect of the game but defenders couldn't keep him out of the paint or off the boards. He doesn't make what I call "holy crap" passes, but he makes quick and efficient ones and his court vision is advanced. I think his ball control could certainly improve but the willingness to pass the ball and the ability to see openings are important for a lead guard too. In a pick and roll situation, Mudiay has passing angles available to him because of his SG frame that most lead guards don't have and most SGs wouldn't ever see. Defensively he's got a similar profile as Tyreke with quicker feet. For a defense, that's a silver bullet right at the point of attack.

So it's the sum total of his qualities that makes his ceiling so high I think. Tyreke is still a player who looks like he could be a star if he figures a couple things out. Mudiay is no less of a physical presence at the PG position but a more natural fit as a playmaker. He might not have the "wow" handles and bowling ball lane dives that Tyreke had already at Memphis, but he's closer to the massively physical lead guard with true PG skills that we wanted Tyreke to develop into after his rookie year which might be even better. And some of what made Tyreke so unique is also what held him back (tendency to over-dominate the ball with his dribbling, tunnel vision at times when going to the basket).
 
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I agree with the recent discussions here and feel the sentiment coming out of Orlando is that they have other options being considered at 6 apart from WCS and that he could easily slip to us.

I have pinned my banner up in that i whole heartedly want WCS as a king given what he offeres and his fit for this team however i am preparing myself for us to pass him up in favour of Mundiay or trade down.

The recent health discussions whilst not much to me could see him drop. Just take him at 6 Vlade!

from yahoo:

"Martin O'Malley, a renowned ankle and foot specialist in New York, checked his foot out last week and said he's completely fine. Doctor O'Malley is used by almost every team in the NBA, including working with our client Kevin Durant. The fracture has healed and is asymptomatic"
 
I'm not sure if already posted. But Porz measurement just came out from Char Ford tweet

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 23m23 minutes ago
Just got the measurements for @kporzee from @impactbball! 7'1.25" w/out shoes, 7'6 wingspan, 230 lbs. Longest wingspan in the draft.

7'1" w/out shoes is damn fantastic considering how the kid moves for his size. He'll probably get close to 7'3" with shoes.
 
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