Which team makes a jump next year

#1
So what team do you think makes a big jump next year?

I think it’s OKC after watching summer league and seeing Wallace drain 3 after 3. If that shooting is real they will move Dort to the bench and keep the same length.

With SGA, Giddey handling the ball Wallace and Chet are going to spread the floor and force you to honor them. Better have a player that can stop SGA because your Rim protection will be spread out.

on defense they will have 7’4” Williams, 6’ 11” SGA and 6’8.5” Wallace.. maybe you can attack Giddey but then you have Chet’s 7’6” wingspan and 9’6” standing reach waiting at the rim.

I might be a year early but I think this team is going to be very good.
 

iowamcnabb

Hall of Famer
#2
On paper the West is stacked again. I personally think teams are evening out a bit and we are going to see lower win totals than expected. Okc should take a jump but are they going to win 7-10 more games? Going to be tough. New Orleans could make a jump if we somehow get a full year of Zion. Minnesota might be able to figure it out. Houston won’t make the playoffs but they might have the biggest win total leap in the league because their record was so bad last year.
 
#4
I'm gonna assume that its gonna be much easier for some team in the East to go from the doghouse to the penthouse real quick..


So the Pistons are just the obvious answer to me if your looking for a team capable of a more extreme turnaround. That team could win 30 games, which would be a marked improvement.

Cade Cunningham only played 12 games for them last season too.. sorta turns this to a layup if u ask me..

I suspect Joe Harris is a sneaky good pickup for them..
 

Kingz19

Hall of Famer
#6
Dallas. I think they will have the most dramatic leap from last season.

Indiana. They have balanced their roster more and they were trending to have a strong season last year but they aren’t very good without Tyrese.
 
#7
This is a great question.

I think there are a few teams that, on paper, should be on top if they figure things out and stay healthy:

Denver- losing Brown hurts, but still just really good
Phoenix- So much talent, and did a great job building depth. If they gel, look out
LAC- same story as always. If Kawhi and George play they are a contender. If one plays they are mid-tier (4-6seed). If neither plays they are a scrappy play-in team.
LAL- got better, but need Lebron and AD. If those two stay healthy they will contend. Without both they will be good and deeper, but not great.

Potential risers

Dallas- still not sold on Kyrie/Luka. They were awful last year. But so much of that was the wing play after losing DFS. Grant Williams might shore things up for them. I still don’t think this works out for them with Kyrie, but the talent is undeniable if they can play together and stiffen up the wing D.

OKC- loads of talent. Can they take the next step? I’d be careful about the “they got lots of length, they are going to be good.” Toronto is a cautionary tale there. There is more than one way to build a good team. The length needs to have basketball skills and durability. I think the OKC core is talented, but think they need one more star, or need an internal piece to make a real leap from good player to second star. They won’t contend until they have a real second star. But it could happen this year.

Potential Fallers

Warriors- they somehow got… older. Steph, Klay, Dray, and Paul all have so many miles and all missed a lot of time in the past two years. Looney, GPII, and Wiggins all have durability issues too, the bench is scaring no one, they have no size beyond Looney, and the Paul fit is a huge question. I think they will regret giving up on Poole so soon. They are still good, but this is held together by duct tape, and has a shelf life of 1-2 years max. And they’re best just isn’t that scary (unless you get supernova, game 7 Steph). Once again, this is much closer to a play-in team than top 4, and by trading Poole, there is now no obvious way to get better.

Memphis- they are going to miss Tyus Jones. I like Smart, but a team that already was short on playmaking lost even more. A lot of pressure on Bane taking another leap and JJJ becoming more of an offensive force. The D is crazy good, but can they score, especially without Ja (and even with Ja)? Probably still a playoff team, but the ceiling isn’t there, especially with the ja questions.

Treading water

Minnesota- it just isn’t working. I’m not sure it can work. They really just need a reboot and build properly around Ant.

Pellies- not enough talent without Zion. And not sure the talent fits with Zion. At least not in an elite way. A good team, but not good enough. Tons of assets, but they need a plan/direction. I wonder if the front office secretly wishes they didn’t have Zion and could just commit their assets to building a winner without having to worry about Zion injuries and how to make it work with him on the court.

bottom tier.

Utah- seems unfair, as they are the best of the bottom. There is a good foundation being built. But not sure they can hope for better than 11-12th this year.

spurs- not ready yet, but obviously a bright future.

Rockets- yuck. No idea what they are doing. Loads of young talent, but the sum is so much less than the parts. FVV and brooks are not the answer. They seem “two years away from being two years away.”

Blazers- who knows?

For the Kings, we are a step below the top 4 in terms of top end talent, but will try to make up for it with chemistry, cohesion, and depth. We are playing the long game, realizing many of these teams are declining or built for short term success. I’d guess we challenge for top 4 if one of the big teams falters or has injuries (the two LA teams being most likely) and will battle potential risers like Dallas or talented fallers (Warriors and Memphis) for 4-6 seeds, trying to stay out of the play-in. Crazy to think the quality of teams that will be trying to stay above the play-in line.
 
#9
This is a great question.

I think there are a few teams that, on paper, should be on top if they figure things out and stay healthy:

Denver- losing Brown hurts, but still just really good
Phoenix- So much talent, and did a great job building depth. If they gel, look out
LAC- same story as always. If Kawhi and George play they are a contender. If one plays they are mid-tier (4-6seed). If neither plays they are a scrappy play-in team.
LAL- got better, but need Lebron and AD. If those two stay healthy they will contend. Without both they will be good and deeper, but not great.

Potential risers

Dallas- still not sold on Kyrie/Luka. They were awful last year. But so much of that was the wing play after losing DFS. Grant Williams might shore things up for them. I still don’t think this works out for them with Kyrie, but the talent is undeniable if they can play together and stiffen up the wing D.

OKC- loads of talent. Can they take the next step? I’d be careful about the “they got lots of length, they are going to be good.” Toronto is a cautionary tale there. There is more than one way to build a good team. The length needs to have basketball skills and durability. I think the OKC core is talented, but think they need one more star, or need an internal piece to make a real leap from good player to second star. They won’t contend until they have a real second star. But it could happen this year.

Potential Fallers

Warriors- they somehow got… older. Steph, Klay, Dray, and Paul all have so many miles and all missed a lot of time in the past two years. Looney, GPII, and Wiggins all have durability issues too, the bench is scaring no one, they have no size beyond Looney, and the Paul fit is a huge question. I think they will regret giving up on Poole so soon. They are still good, but this is held together by duct tape, and has a shelf life of 1-2 years max. And they’re best just isn’t that scary (unless you get supernova, game 7 Steph). Once again, this is much closer to a play-in team than top 4, and by trading Poole, there is now no obvious way to get better.

Memphis- they are going to miss Tyus Jones. I like Smart, but a team that already was short on playmaking lost even more. A lot of pressure on Bane taking another leap and JJJ becoming more of an offensive force. The D is crazy good, but can they score, especially without Ja (and even with Ja)? Probably still a playoff team, but the ceiling isn’t there, especially with the ja questions.

Treading water

Minnesota- it just isn’t working. I’m not sure it can work. They really just need a reboot and build properly around Ant.

Pellies- not enough talent without Zion. And not sure the talent fits with Zion. At least not in an elite way. A good team, but not good enough. Tons of assets, but they need a plan/direction. I wonder if the front office secretly wishes they didn’t have Zion and could just commit their assets to building a winner without having to worry about Zion injuries and how to make it work with him on the court.

bottom tier.

Utah- seems unfair, as they are the best of the bottom. There is a good foundation being built. But not sure they can hope for better than 11-12th this year.

spurs- not ready yet, but obviously a bright future.

Rockets- yuck. No idea what they are doing. Loads of young talent, but the sum is so much less than the parts. FVV and brooks are not the answer. They seem “two years away from being two years away.”

Blazers- who knows?

For the Kings, we are a step below the top 4 in terms of top end talent, but will try to make up for it with chemistry, cohesion, and depth. We are playing the long game, realizing many of these teams are declining or built for short term success. I’d guess we challenge for top 4 if one of the big teams falters or has injuries (the two LA teams being most likely) and will battle potential risers like Dallas or talented fallers (Warriors and Memphis) for 4-6 seeds, trying to stay out of the play-in. Crazy to think the quality of teams that will be trying to stay above the play-in line.
yeah Jalen Williams and Walker are going to be the swing players.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#10
Dallas Mavericks
C: Powell/Holmes/Lively/Javale
F: Maxi Kleiber/OMax
F: Grant Williams/Josh Green
G: Luka/THJ
G: Kyrie/Hardy

One of the really weird things about the Mavs‘ off-season is that they went into the off-season being really thin at the wing and somehow came out of it being even thinner at the position after trading Bullock in the Grant sign and trade. Don’t get me wrong: I like Grant Williams and Maxi and they’re two really good team defenders, which is super important for your team to have when your point of attack defenders are Kyrie, Luka, and Hardy, but neither of those guys can really consistently go up against quicker forwards and guards on a consistent basis/in a scheme that doesn’t switch everything. Lively could theoretically be the goalie to help clean up Luka and Kyries numerous defensive miscues but he’s probably still a good off-season or two from doing so. Josh Green looked pretty solid for them post-trade and if a certain poster is to be believed OMax is going to come in and immediately force whoever he guards into early retirement so maybe things aren’t as dire there as I think. Also Kyrie is Kyrie and always either injured or doing something so incredibly inflammatory that he may as well be so guard depth might also be an issue. Plus they have four centers for some reason. Jason Kidd also sucks.

OKC Thunder
C: Chet/Poku/J. Williams (the center one)/ Robinson-Earle
PF: Jalen Williams (the good one)/Aaron Wiggins/Osman Dieng/Davis Bertans
SF: Dort/Kenrich Williams/Keyontae Johnson
SG: Giddey/Isaiah Joe/Dipo’s mutilated corpse
PG: SGA/Micic/Cason Wallace

Will this be the year OKC finally stops its rebuilding process and actively tries to compete? If it isn’t, it should be. As others have said in this thread, Presti certainly has done a great job of accumulating players but the actual fit as a team still remains to be seen. SGA put up a huge season last year despite half of the other guys on the roster literally getting in his way all season (really, considering how bad every single guy on that roster was shooting at volume aside from Isiah Joe, it’s a wonder the Thunder won as many games as they did). The Thunder are in the unenviable position of having too many solid young players and too many picks but with almost none of those lesser young guys really having the skill set you’d like from a competitive team’s role players. Josh Giddey is an amazing basketball player but the fact that he’s a terrible shooter makes it hard for him to be a long term fit next to Jalen Williams and SGA, who are also amazing basketball players who are bad at shooting for the perimeter (Jalen less so that SGA, who pretty much just gave up on shooting from anywhere that wasn’t the paint last season). Poke and Chet both are hypothetically the perfect big men to pair with three wings/guards who are afraid of the three point line but both guys are going to have to prove to me that they can play ten games in a row without getting injured before I can really trust them to do anything. OKC’s now got its own ugly arena situation brewing so Presti could feel heat from higher ups and move some young guys and picks for a bigger piece to win now but personally I don’t see this roster being formed tight enough for that to work well off the bat. If everything pans out, the Thunder could be the next dominant young superteam but the more likely scenario to me is that they get to four or five games above 500 and a 6-7 seed and then spend the next summer retinkering/making their big splash trade move (also Josh Giddey will be up for a max extension then so that’s when they’re sorta going to have to figure it out).
 
#15
Yeah it's a good question.

I think it's a lot of the same as we saw last year. Everyone beats each other up and whoever stays the healthiest gets the top seeds. But again, there's going to be such little difference between the top and bottom of the playoffs
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#17
also want to add the Magic to the list, they've kept accumulating good young talent, it's time to put it all together and gun for that 8th seed or potential play-in
 
#19
Pacers - they were having a good season until their mid season hiccup, then Hali got hurt and the organization decided to tank the rest of the season. Added a nice piece in the draft, Bruce Brown to be their swiss army knife, Mathurin will be better this season, they already know Jalen Smith is mediocre and won't start him right off the bat, and sounds like they might make another move (Siakam) before the season starts.

Rockets - they don't have their pick next year unless it's top 4 so I don't think they will tank, new coach, FVV in place to be the adult on the floor. I still think they miss the playoffs/play-in though

OKC - I just can't see how they won't be better, except in the case of injuries
 
#21
All of this talk about glue and gelling. It sounds like an adhesive convention around here.
Try to be more specific if you can about what you mean.