Only the ones that live in fantasy land. You should know by now how free agency works. Your not getting a restricted free agent and as a small market your not getting a tier 1 player. Asik/W.Chandler/Adflalo are the only ones from this list to even talk about and I'm not touching AA with a 10ft pole.
Which Big Name Free Agent to Target?
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It's not a very encouraging list.
PG - Rondo is a huge risk at this point. 29 years old and he hasn't played a full season since 2010. Dragic is also 29 and expensive. Reggie Jackson is an interesting option. He's young enough and potentially good enough (17/9/5 since the trade to Detroit) to be worth a look. Trouble is, Detroit got worse after losing Jennings and replacing him with Jackson. Also, Jackson is a poor three point shooter and probably a downgrade from Collison on defense. Intriguing, but I don't think he's worth it.
SG - Afflalo is not an upgrade. Matthews is significantly injured. D. Green is a better shooter right now, but in every other way basically a wash. Ellis is a volume shooter. That'll never work unless we trade Rudy. Middleton is a player I like but he's Restricted. Same goes for Jimmy Butler. One of those two guys are reasonable targets though. And Butler would allow you to include Ben in trades.
SF - Leonard is staying in S.A. Chandler and J. Green are decent veteran depth options, but I wouldn't throw a ton of money at them. It's tough to say with the salary cap going up next year what is and is not a reasonable contract, but I wouldn't want to give them anything more than the contract Landry got.
PF - No on Millsap. He's a solid player but he's about to turn 30. Love isn't coming, not sure I would want to max him anyway. That leaves Aldridge and Draymond Green. Aldridge is also about to turn 30 which makes him a riskier signing, but he could propel us to contender status right away. Problem is, he's Portland's franchise player so they're going to pull out all the stops to re-sign him. Draymond Green is restricted and not going to leave a good situation in GS. So maybe on Aldridge but I don't think we can afford him.
C - This is the really dangerous group because all of them are poised to be overpaid in the near future. I'd take T. Chandler on a 1 year deal. Monroe is a step below franchise player and he's going to get franchise player money. I'd pass on him. Asik, Gasol, and Jordan are all good options for us but they're good options for a lot of teams which means the price is going to be sky high.
Trying to steal Butler is the biggest possible reward. He's young and elite, fills a huge need for a reliable backcourt scorer, and allows us to shop two of our best assets (Ben/Nik). Realistically though? All-Star level players with restricted status don't leave their current teams. I wouldn't make backup SF a priority with our limited cap space. The PF and C options are either underwhelming or expensive. I'm not seeing a big addition in free agency for us this year though, like funkykingston said, a lot will depend on what happens with the draft. If we can fill a big hole with the draft then overpaying to fill another one might make more sense.
PG - Rondo is a huge risk at this point. 29 years old and he hasn't played a full season since 2010. Dragic is also 29 and expensive. Reggie Jackson is an interesting option. He's young enough and potentially good enough (17/9/5 since the trade to Detroit) to be worth a look. Trouble is, Detroit got worse after losing Jennings and replacing him with Jackson. Also, Jackson is a poor three point shooter and probably a downgrade from Collison on defense. Intriguing, but I don't think he's worth it.
SG - Afflalo is not an upgrade. Matthews is significantly injured. D. Green is a better shooter right now, but in every other way basically a wash. Ellis is a volume shooter. That'll never work unless we trade Rudy. Middleton is a player I like but he's Restricted. Same goes for Jimmy Butler. One of those two guys are reasonable targets though. And Butler would allow you to include Ben in trades.
SF - Leonard is staying in S.A. Chandler and J. Green are decent veteran depth options, but I wouldn't throw a ton of money at them. It's tough to say with the salary cap going up next year what is and is not a reasonable contract, but I wouldn't want to give them anything more than the contract Landry got.
PF - No on Millsap. He's a solid player but he's about to turn 30. Love isn't coming, not sure I would want to max him anyway. That leaves Aldridge and Draymond Green. Aldridge is also about to turn 30 which makes him a riskier signing, but he could propel us to contender status right away. Problem is, he's Portland's franchise player so they're going to pull out all the stops to re-sign him. Draymond Green is restricted and not going to leave a good situation in GS. So maybe on Aldridge but I don't think we can afford him.
C - This is the really dangerous group because all of them are poised to be overpaid in the near future. I'd take T. Chandler on a 1 year deal. Monroe is a step below franchise player and he's going to get franchise player money. I'd pass on him. Asik, Gasol, and Jordan are all good options for us but they're good options for a lot of teams which means the price is going to be sky high.
Trying to steal Butler is the biggest possible reward. He's young and elite, fills a huge need for a reliable backcourt scorer, and allows us to shop two of our best assets (Ben/Nik). Realistically though? All-Star level players with restricted status don't leave their current teams. I wouldn't make backup SF a priority with our limited cap space. The PF and C options are either underwhelming or expensive. I'm not seeing a big addition in free agency for us this year though, like funkykingston said, a lot will depend on what happens with the draft. If we can fill a big hole with the draft then overpaying to fill another one might make more sense.
There are only 2 name free agents that would consider coming to the Kings this offseason.
1) Aaron Afflalo- May come because his old coach, George Karl is here and Afflalo is from California, so he may want to play closer to his family. He would also have to be over paid to come. Maybe a 4 year 32-36mil contract would get it done, but he would be 34 years old by the time contract ends, not good.
2) Josh Smith- If Houston gets bounced from the playoffs in the first or second round, they would be looking a for 3rd star player to play next to Howard and Harden. Josh Smith is not the star they are looking for and Houston would probably only be willing to give him the veterans minimum to return as a bench player. If PDA is still in charge, you can bet he will try to lure him with a starting spot and a much bigger offer, somewhere around the full MLE (4 years/26-30mil).
Best bet to improve though is through a trade and I think Ty Lawson is the main target for George Karl.
1) Aaron Afflalo- May come because his old coach, George Karl is here and Afflalo is from California, so he may want to play closer to his family. He would also have to be over paid to come. Maybe a 4 year 32-36mil contract would get it done, but he would be 34 years old by the time contract ends, not good.
2) Josh Smith- If Houston gets bounced from the playoffs in the first or second round, they would be looking a for 3rd star player to play next to Howard and Harden. Josh Smith is not the star they are looking for and Houston would probably only be willing to give him the veterans minimum to return as a bench player. If PDA is still in charge, you can bet he will try to lure him with a starting spot and a much bigger offer, somewhere around the full MLE (4 years/26-30mil).
Best bet to improve though is through a trade and I think Ty Lawson is the main target for George Karl.
If they were somehow able to get Millsap in Free Agency to fill that third star role, I think they would be an extremely tough team to beat. Beverley-Harden-Ariza-Millsap-Howard would be one hell of a lineup. I think that would be one of the most balanced lineups in the league if not the most balanced. Plenty of defense, plenty of shooting, plenty of size, plenty of athleticism, plenty of scoring...the list just keeps going.
I sware if we sign rondo but thank god he wouldn't even get on a plane to come here. Josh smith isn't leaving his BFF for a franchise that's been out of the playoffs for ages again another plus for us. No to a trade for Lawson Collison is good enough don't waste assets on that position when we need serious help everywhere.
Deandre Jordan. If we have to break the bank to sign him, I am 100% on board with that. He's a top-10 defensive center, and I think he would look great nabbing passes from Cousins, Gay, and Collison in Karl's offense. Add to that he's a great rebounder with playoff experience and seems to be a good locker room presence, and I think he's exactly the type of player we want to add to this team. Finally, he will be 27 starting next season so he's got a long future ahead, and with the salary cap jumping next year, it won't hurt to make a run at him.
Unfortunately, I think this means we have to overpay, which in turn means shipping the Clippers something in a sign and trade. If Sterling was still the owner, I would say we could offer them a salary dump of JT's last two years under $7mm per if we're taking back Jordan for 4 years at $12-13 each. I'm not sure Balmer would ever do that, but if we make an obscene overpay (not sure what that is in this market) and offer up Thompson's "discount" contract along with McLemore, Stauskas and/or McCallum, it could work in theory.
I think Collison, Gay, Jordan, and Cousins would be a more than solid foundation for a playoff team.
Unfortunately, I think this means we have to overpay, which in turn means shipping the Clippers something in a sign and trade. If Sterling was still the owner, I would say we could offer them a salary dump of JT's last two years under $7mm per if we're taking back Jordan for 4 years at $12-13 each. I'm not sure Balmer would ever do that, but if we make an obscene overpay (not sure what that is in this market) and offer up Thompson's "discount" contract along with McLemore, Stauskas and/or McCallum, it could work in theory.
I think Collison, Gay, Jordan, and Cousins would be a more than solid foundation for a playoff team.
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If we can get Tyson Chandler than imo you do it, he's still very mobile and athletic despite being 30 (or over), brings toughness and hustle. He would be the first big man in what seems forever who legitimately can roll and finish to the rim which gives so many easy points. Chandler can be to Cousins what Lopez is to LMA. He's the only one that really interests me on that list cause I don't beleive we have any hope of signing Green (GSW) and Middleton who we should have gone after earlier this year when he was benched.
Speaking of Dallas Al Aminu imo would be a great back up SF/Small PF that dude has the hustle of Casspi with the athletic ability (even better) of Derrick Williams. I would love to sign him to to a smallish type deal.
Speaking of Dallas Al Aminu imo would be a great back up SF/Small PF that dude has the hustle of Casspi with the athletic ability (even better) of Derrick Williams. I would love to sign him to to a smallish type deal.
Dallas is not going to rebuild next year, unless Dirk retires - they don't have their first-rounder next year, unless they are really bad. Right now I would guess, that they return the squad, so I doubt, Chandler chooses to come to Sacramento. I really doubt, Chandler comes to Sacramento, even if Dirk retires. Aminu works at SF next to Dirk, who are more of a perimeter gunner this year, which for Kings mean playing him next to Rudy. Would rather go after Wilson Chandler to pair with Rudy. Aminu is good player to have as versatile option, but Kings have much more urgent problems at PF and SG, so they can't burn MLE money to add versatility.
LMA is not close to impossible, it's absolutely impossible, since Aldridge is getting his money, and Kings don't have $19-20 million in cap space. But even bigger problem is that it's getting Kings back to the same argument of 3 20ppg scorers, when IT was a King, but now they are all inside-out scorers - not going to work.
LMA is not close to impossible, it's absolutely impossible, since Aldridge is getting his money, and Kings don't have $19-20 million in cap space. But even bigger problem is that it's getting Kings back to the same argument of 3 20ppg scorers, when IT was a King, but now they are all inside-out scorers - not going to work.
Monroe wants rookie Max, which is kinda a lot. And Matthews is a complete unknown until September. Who is willing to gamble? Kings certainly don't have free money
List of players, that will be reasonably available to Kings consists of guys, that are either a)minor priority for their team to resign, b) their team might not be able to afford, or c) their team just doesn't want to retain.
It's obviously not that long, but among bigs and guards/wings, that are any good my list will come down to
a) Belinelli (replaces, what Stauskas can become in the next 2-3 years, so probably might just well trade Nik, if he has any reasonable value for someone)
b) Stuckey (Pacers can only pay him MLE and offer backup role, so $1 million more and a chance to compete for starting spot might interest him; same about Nik), Kyle O'Quinn (pretty big gamble for MLE+ money, that will be needed for Magic not to match, but KOQ will likely shop for the best contract, he can find, so will be available later in the process, and should be a target, if better players go elsewhere)
c) Amir Johnson (Masai didn't mentioned him at all in his season-ending PC, and Amir's comments had "please take me back" - he likes it very much in Toronto - feeling to them), Chandler (if there's some truth to DJ rumors and Dallas will entertain this thought, Chandler might look elsewhere, though both LA teams and NY become heavy competition)
I know, that Grizzlies play Koufos as a PF next to Gasol in Portland series, but that's because they can get away with it. Koufos is 90% center, which won't work, if Boogie and JT are the other two in big man rotation. Chandler OTOH might.
List of players, that will be reasonably available to Kings consists of guys, that are either a)minor priority for their team to resign, b) their team might not be able to afford, or c) their team just doesn't want to retain.
It's obviously not that long, but among bigs and guards/wings, that are any good my list will come down to
a) Belinelli (replaces, what Stauskas can become in the next 2-3 years, so probably might just well trade Nik, if he has any reasonable value for someone)
b) Stuckey (Pacers can only pay him MLE and offer backup role, so $1 million more and a chance to compete for starting spot might interest him; same about Nik), Kyle O'Quinn (pretty big gamble for MLE+ money, that will be needed for Magic not to match, but KOQ will likely shop for the best contract, he can find, so will be available later in the process, and should be a target, if better players go elsewhere)
c) Amir Johnson (Masai didn't mentioned him at all in his season-ending PC, and Amir's comments had "please take me back" - he likes it very much in Toronto - feeling to them), Chandler (if there's some truth to DJ rumors and Dallas will entertain this thought, Chandler might look elsewhere, though both LA teams and NY become heavy competition)
I know, that Grizzlies play Koufos as a PF next to Gasol in Portland series, but that's because they can get away with it. Koufos is 90% center, which won't work, if Boogie and JT are the other two in big man rotation. Chandler OTOH might.
So would PDA! See, you guys agree!
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2014/12/22/7438365/sacramento-kings-kosta-koufos-trade-rumor
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2014/12/22/7438365/sacramento-kings-kosta-koufos-trade-rumor
Teams are going to bid cap bump prices now. The top guys are all getting super paid. The will all have big offers to play in more attractive places.
The Kings will probably have to make a trade or overpay someone at Least some in the low 2nd or 3rd tier.
It's hard to get bargains in our position but after a bunch of teams eat up their current cap with "the last 2-3 years on this big contact will be a steal after the cap goes up" contacts the remaining guys won't have a ton of teams left with cap space.
I think they will attempt jump in a guy or two early but may need to wait until thier decent cap space is effective
The Kings will probably have to make a trade or overpay someone at Least some in the low 2nd or 3rd tier.
It's hard to get bargains in our position but after a bunch of teams eat up their current cap with "the last 2-3 years on this big contact will be a steal after the cap goes up" contacts the remaining guys won't have a ton of teams left with cap space.
I think they will attempt jump in a guy or two early but may need to wait until thier decent cap space is effective
Genuine question! Can we use stretch provision more than once and can it be used on a contract singed after the new CBA was signed?
If the answer is yes, then what are the chances of us stretching someone like Landry? Would free up around $4 million in salary cap space for next season. I know the rule is number of years * 2 + 1 which would mean that we could stretch Landry's remaining $13million over 5 years which eats about $2.6million of salary cap for the next 5 years. Given that the Salary Cap is about to sky rocket after next season, $2.6million is a chump change but this summer it gives us about $3.9 million in extra cap space. Add that to the current $8-9 million and its a decent cap space to go shopping.
If the answer is yes, then what are the chances of us stretching someone like Landry? Would free up around $4 million in salary cap space for next season. I know the rule is number of years * 2 + 1 which would mean that we could stretch Landry's remaining $13million over 5 years which eats about $2.6million of salary cap for the next 5 years. Given that the Salary Cap is about to sky rocket after next season, $2.6million is a chump change but this summer it gives us about $3.9 million in extra cap space. Add that to the current $8-9 million and its a decent cap space to go shopping.
Unlike amnesty, that was created to deal with past mistakes, stretch provision was built into CBA to alleviate future mistakes, so Kings can waive-and-stretch all their players currently on the roster.
As for Landry James Ham thinks Carl was Vivek's hire, so he might not be so quick to part with him this way, but given that it's a speculation and not widely acknowledged fact, so it won't be considered another mistake of his, maybe Vivek just doesn't care, and FO is free to give Landry the axe, if they want to.
As for Landry James Ham thinks Carl was Vivek's hire, so he might not be so quick to part with him this way, but given that it's a speculation and not widely acknowledged fact, so it won't be considered another mistake of his, maybe Vivek just doesn't care, and FO is free to give Landry the axe, if they want to.
Gilles is right, and I don't think the Kings use the stretch provision on Landry unless they have a deal that requires more capspace. No team wants to pay a player to do nothing, and that's essentially what your doing with the stretch provision. If I remember correctly, we would only gain around 3 plus mil in the frist year of the provision. But if we need that 3 mil to sign an upper level player, then go ahead and do it. Not my money..
"Pure" gain from removing his contract is $3.9 million for a couple of years, and then it's negative $2.6 million for another 3 years. But given that you also free a roster spot, that will now be filled by virtual cap hold rookie minimum salary of $525,000 for 2015 off-season and $543,500 for 2016 one, Kings' actual cap space gain is $3.38 million in 2015 and $3.36 in 2016. Then...well then doesn't really matter, since 2016 should be the last off-season with reasonable amount of cap space, if Boogie stays in Sacramento till 2020s.
Putting my house on it that this will be a Denver Nugget reunion centre.
Ty Lawson by trade, Aaron Afflalo by FA.
What we do about the PF spot, i dont know.
Maybe Chad Iske and Vance Wahlberg can convice Vlade and Karl to invest in Nerlens Noel.. pipedream, but one can only dream.
Aslo maybe Turkoglu may want to return here for his farewell tour.
PG - Lawson/Dre Miller/McCallum
SG - McLemore/Afflalo
SF - Gay/Casspi/Turk
PF - Noel/JT/Evans/Moreland
C - DMC/FA
Ty Lawson by trade, Aaron Afflalo by FA.
What we do about the PF spot, i dont know.
Maybe Chad Iske and Vance Wahlberg can convice Vlade and Karl to invest in Nerlens Noel.. pipedream, but one can only dream.
Aslo maybe Turkoglu may want to return here for his farewell tour.
PG - Lawson/Dre Miller/McCallum
SG - McLemore/Afflalo
SF - Gay/Casspi/Turk
PF - Noel/JT/Evans/Moreland
C - DMC/FA
I don't think Noel is realistic, but swapping him out for another solid PF and suddenly we are almost a clone of the Nuggets from a few years ago.... except for one thing, instead of Nene, we have Cousins. That actually doesn't sound like to bad an idea considering the Nuggets were extremely competitive.