Which Big Name Free Agent to Target?

If you're looking to make one big splash in FA, who would you target? (13.9 mil cap space)

  • PG - Dragic (PO), Jackson (Res), Rondo (Unres)

    Votes: 6 7.7%
  • SG - Afflalo (PO), J. Butler (Res), Ellis (PO), D. Green (Unres), Matthews (Unres), Middleton (Res)

    Votes: 33 42.3%
  • SF - Chandler (TO), J. Green (PO), Leonard (Res)

    Votes: 1 1.3%
  • PF - Aldridge (Unres), Green (Res), Love (PO), Millsap (Unres)

    Votes: 19 24.4%
  • C - Asik (Unres), T. Chandler (Unres), M. Gasol (Unres), D. Jordan (Unres), Monroe (Unres)

    Votes: 19 24.4%

  • Total voters
    78
#91
Stephenson cannot play defense?

Must have missed that memo.

We have excellent 3 point shooters?

Who?

Well now you'd have a lock down defender at the 2, and one of the best shooting big men in the league.....and with Stephenson starting its not going to be some matador defense out there where a rim protector would be as valuable.
 
#92
When did Lance became a lock down defender? When did Lance became a role player, willing to be a 4th wheel? Is he even capable of that?
After his recent run of injuries Ryno is shooting only .340 from 3 this season, including .340 from corner 3s. Also he doesn't do anything else. And again re-read my previous post: even with JT barely hitting anything Kings's starting lineup was scoring very well, so no need to sacrifice defense for additional spacing.
Your idea is let's take a chance on a player, that likely won't fit in, and then for the gamble to have better chances let's massively downgrade in the area Kings already had serious problems.
 
#94
I'd rather overpay for Danny Green in FA, draft WCS, and then test the waters with Chicago about a 2016 pick protection removal + Ben or Nik + JT or Landry for Gibson deal. Those deals all bring in defenders with good attitudes that are from winning teams. Danny Green can hit the 3 too which we really need.

I just don't like Stephenson for this team.
 
#96
Green was crying in Spurs locker room after Game 7, thinking he let Pop and Tim down. He has a rather low cap hold. It's not set in stone like Kawhi, but Green will be very hard to pry from San Antonio.
 
#97
When did Lance became a lock down defender? When did Lance became a role player, willing to be a 4th wheel? Is he even capable of that?
After his recent run of injuries Ryno is shooting only .340 from 3 this season, including .340 from corner 3s. Also he doesn't do anything else. And again re-read my previous post: even with JT barely hitting anything Kings's starting lineup was scoring very well, so no need to sacrifice defense for additional spacing.
Your idea is let's take a chance on a player, that likely won't fit in, and then for the gamble to have better chances let's massively downgrade in the area Kings already had serious problems.
Don't act like getting out of both Landry and Thompson's contracts is worth nothing.

If it does not work, you can still be baggage free but declining the Stephenson team option too.

You still get two future first round picks as well.

I think someone like Anderson spacing the floor would be huge for us offensively, and if our SG are going to under perform from the outside, well Lance is young and tough as nails. Maybe he can become our defensive specialist. Between he & McLemore we'd find occasional minutes at SF too, allowing Gay to switch over to the PF at times.
 
#98
Green was crying in Spurs locker room after Game 7, thinking he let Pop and Tim down. He has a rather low cap hold. It's not set in stone like Kawhi, but Green will be very hard to pry from San Antonio.
Maybe but SA has a lot going on this summer. They have to max Kawhi, figure out what Duncan and Ginobli want to do, as well as look for FA like Aldridge and a few others are out there. All those are likely more important than Green. Green isn't restricted so he can sign with whoever at the start of FA regardless of his cap hold for SA.
 
#99
Don't act like getting out of both Landry and Thompson's contracts is worth nothing.

If it does not work, you can still be baggage free but declining the Stephenson team option too.

You still get two future first round picks as well.

I think someone like Anderson spacing the floor would be huge for us offensively, and if our SG are going to under perform from the outside, well Lance is young and tough as nails. Maybe he can become our defensive specialist. Between he & McLemore we'd find occasional minutes at SF too, allowing Gay to switch over to the PF at times.
JT is not a bad contract anymore - you can check, how much the other Thompson will get this summer, and Tristan is hardly better. Do I need to write another time, how Kings starters performed with JT stretching the floor?
Kings would finish season with 32 wins with that pathetic frontcourt, which will result in Cousins wanting out, but picks are good flexible pieces, I guess.
 
JT is not a bad contract anymore - you can check, how much the other Thompson will get this summer, and Tristan is hardly better. Do I need to write another time, how Kings starters performed with JT stretching the floor?
Kings would finish season with 32 wins with that pathetic frontcourt, which will result in Cousins wanting out, but picks are good flexible pieces, I guess.
No his contract won't be bad a season later from now, but it is not good right now. But the handcuffs with an unacceptable piece in Landry is the killer.
 

HndsmCelt

Hall of Famer
This is TOUGH! Free agency has rarely been our friend and quite frankly almost every year when it is over I am either pissed that we lost talent, over paid for blech. Some years I simply sigh in relief that we got out of it with our core intact. So since we all know that historically the draft has not been dependable, that really only leaves us trades as a fairly dependable way to upgrade the team but this season if we don't trade starters we have almost nothing to offer. I would be ok with pursuing roll players through FA but unless Vlade and Karl can attract some serious guys I don't expect much and I'd like to see us in a position to absorb salary in late trades. The good news is that our starting 5 (when they played as a unit) really DID perform last year. I don't think we need big change in the starting 5 UNLESS they result in moving JT, Ray or maybe DC to the bench in favor of an upgrade, beceause it's the bench that HAS to get a lot better. How much better will depend on what Morland and little Stockton can bring.

Lawson or Afflalo might work IF we don't have to break the bank, but keeping Ray and/or DC seems vital for this not to be only a marginal improvement in the the starting 5 and a net loss where we really need the upgrade... the bench. Aldridge, Love, Green and most of the other bigs will break the bank and require cost cutting that could again make the bench worse.

Id love to see us draft WCS and move for starting SG like Afflalo through sign and trade. Bring back Omri but let the rest of the FA's walk. If Afflalo can't be had then trade for a 3 and d guy while holding on to DC, and Ben...

Easier said than done.
 
Problem with keeping starting five is that Karl finished the season with a firm belief, that JT is his backup center. He also never said, that he thought about Rudy starting at PF, only play some time there. Which means George wants to meet a new starting forward come training camp. Would be stupid to rely on a rookie right from the start of the season, so Vlade needs to get to work.
 
This is TOUGH! Free agency has rarely been our friend and quite frankly almost every year when it is over I am either pissed that we lost talent, over paid for blech. Some years I simply sigh in relief that we got out of it with our core intact. So since we all know that historically the draft has not been dependable, that really only leaves us trades as a fairly dependable way to upgrade the team but this season if we don't trade starters we have almost nothing to offer. I would be ok with pursuing roll players through FA but unless Vlade and Karl can attract some serious guys I don't expect much and I'd like to see us in a position to absorb salary in late trades. The good news is that our starting 5 (when they played as a unit) really DID perform last year. I don't think we need big change in the starting 5 UNLESS they result in moving JT, Ray or maybe DC to the bench in favor of an upgrade, beceause it's the bench that HAS to get a lot better. How much better will depend on what Morland and little Stockton can bring.

Lawson or Afflalo might work IF we don't have to break the bank, but keeping Ray and/or DC seems vital for this not to be only a marginal improvement in the the starting 5 and a net loss where we really need the upgrade... the bench. Aldridge, Love, Green and most of the other bigs will break the bank and require cost cutting that could again make the bench worse.

Id love to see us draft WCS and move for starting SG like Afflalo through sign and trade. Bring back Omri but let the rest of the FA's walk. If Afflalo can't be had then trade for a 3 and d guy while holding on to DC, and Ben...

Easier said than done.
I'd prefer we develop and take our time for another season, terrible odds that happens.

I've been running trade scenarios with Denver fans and others for months now for Lawson. Most likely can count on the 6 going out, and he is certainly not cheap either, while Collison is budget friendly. With Collison here I just see other investment potentials bringing back higher yields than Lawson personally.

I'm concerned Affalo is on the decline, looks to me like someone else Landry 2.0 contract, with maybe 1 solid year and two years of regret.
 
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jdbraver

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I bet we will all be wishing for Lawson after we end up with two or three players like Kevin Seraphin.
 
I bet we will all be wishing for Lawson after we end up with two or three players like Kevin Seraphin.
Probably not. I would be thrilled if we came away with three good role players who met needs. We need depth and some right fits (3 and d at the swings, a defensive big, a pg who can create offense of the bench). We don't need an overpriced, defensively challenged, ball dominant guard who has behavioral issues.

If we did, we could have just kept IT at half the cost.
 
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jdbraver

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Probably not. I would be thrilled if we came away with three good role players who met needs. We need depth and some right fits (3 and d at the swings, a defensive big, a pg who can create offense of the bench). We don't need an overpriced, defensively challenged, ball dominant guard who has behavioral issues.

If we did, we could have just kept IT at half the cost.
Seraphin is not a good role player. He wants to start and would be another in a long line of below average front court players we already have.
 
I don't believe anyone mentioned Seraphin, who is a low-post scorer without shooting and an average defender.
Otoh guys like Amir Johnson or Kosta Koufos (suspect fit), who are low-usage on offense/good defenders, actually make sense in the frontcourt next to Cousins.
 

bajaden

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Agreed so much, though I would bring Dre back, and went creative with third-stringer - don't like Ray or Stock.
Agree on Miller. I'm OK with Ray in his role as the 3rd PG off the bench. Or use him as a sweetener in a trade. Whatever. Stockton? Who knows, and who cares. No disrespect meant John.
 

bajaden

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I don't believe anyone mentioned Seraphin, who is a low-post scorer without shooting and an average defender.
Otoh guys like Amir Johnson or Kosta Koufos (suspect fit), who are low-usage on offense/good defenders, actually make sense in the frontcourt next to Cousins.
I think for the right price, Koufos would be a very good pick up. He'd certainly be a huge upgrade over Hollins.
 
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given their recent failings DeAndre or Gasol may be options and would fit very well next to cousins.

i feel like significant retooling will be happening at the like of the Clips and Grizz and we could leverage this potentially
 

bajaden

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given their recent failings DeAndre or Gasol may be options and would fit very well next to cousins.

i feel like significant retooling will be happening at the like of the Clips and Grizz and we could leverage this potentially
Listened to a post game interview with Rivers, and he said the top priority for the Clips was the resigning of Jordan. So maybe Gasol, because of his age, and how poorly the Bulls looked might be a possibility, but I doubt the Clips let DeAndre walk out the door.
 
given their recent failings DeAndre or Gasol may be options and would fit very well next to cousins.

i feel like significant retooling will be happening at the like of the Clips and Grizz and we could leverage this potentially
As C-Webb once said, "good luck." If the Clips don't lock up Jordan with the max, someone else will. Ditto for Gasol.
 
I think for the right price, Koufos would be a very good pick up. He'd certainly be a huge upgrade over Hollins.
I agree. And Koufos is someone the front office was reportedly interested in way back in December, and played for Karl in Denver I think.

Interestingly, Karl was doing a Q&A on twitter the other day, and was talking a lot about moving Cousins to PF. Seems odd with the chatter of playing Rudy at the 4, but who knows. But Koufos would be a guy worth maybe slightly spending for as a backup C, if you want to play him next to Cousins occasionally as well.
 
I'm not sure we'll see a FA center signing in the offseason. I think the FO/Karl is under the assumption that we have our starting center and backup center (Cousins/Thompson). I'm really not that optimistic on any big time trades or free agent signings. For each position, this is what I could see happen:

PG - I could see us signing a serviceable, backup, veteran PG that continues to space the floor with Collison out. CJ Watson seems attainable and would fit the role well without breaking the bank (43% and 38% from catch & shoot 3s the past two years). I could see see us resigning Andre Miller to give us 4 decent PGs on our roster and to also act as a mentor to our young players/guards.

SG - I could see us sticking with McLemore and Stauskas even though we could desperately need a Collison level player at SG as well. On the bright side though, both McLemore and Stauskas would be perfect compliments for this team if they hit their potential. Both should be dynamite shooters from three. Our shooting would be very strong with two 40%+ 3pt shooters at SG. It's just a matter of them reaching that potential, but again, I'm not sure we're able to upgrade that position with what's available.

SF - I think we resign Casspi as our SF off the bench. He was obviously shooting 3s at a ridiculous rate after the all-star break, and he had a knack for scoring efficiently and making hustle plays. I also think we go after another bench wing. Turkoglu would be my guess. He's good friends with Vlade and loves the city of Sacramento. I think there's a good opportunity we bring him aboard. Both Casspi and Turkoglu would give us two more 40% 3pt shooters off the bench to help spread the floor further. With Collison, Watson, Casspi, Turkoglu, and potentially McLemore & Stauskas, you have 6 players who all can knock down 3s at a clip of 37% or better. I think our floor spacing would be much better.

PF - I think we either take Cauley-Stein or Porzingis here. I think the FO would target Cauley-Stein first to give us a player who is more NBA ready, but if he's gone, I could see them taking Porzingis. I could also see them adding another PF who they may want to try and start next to Cousins. Amir Johnson, Kyle O'Quinn, Ed Davis, & Jordan Hill might all be options. I think Amir Johnson would be a good fit with his combination of shooting, defense, & hustle.

C - At center, I don't see us targeting one of the mid level Cs with Thompson here. I think it's far more likely that we go after a 3rd string center to add depth. Wouldn't be surprised to see Hollins come back; however, I would prefer to see Aldrich fill this spot.

PG - Collison/Watson/Miller/McCallum
SG - McLemore/Stauskas
SF - Gay/Casspi/Turkoglu
PF - A. Johnson/(#6 - Cauley-Stein/Porzingis)/Moreland
C - Cousins/Thompson/Aldrich

It seems very underwhelming, but that team could actually surprise some people next year. Collison, McLemore, Gay, & Johnson can all stretch it out to the three, but we're not giving up size or interior defense to do so. The backups (Watson, Stauskas, Casspi, Turkoglu) are all good shooters as well. There really should never be a time when Cousins is on the floor and doesn't have at least 3 good 3pt shooters around him with this roster.

The thing you have to worry about is defense. You know that Cousins, Collison, and Johnson will be good defenders. Cauley-Stein/Porzingis should be a good defensive addition when it's all said and done. The real key here is McLemore. We would desperately need him to become a consistently good perimeter player to really take this team to the next level. We really lack a good wing defender right now. McLemore would need to become that for us.

If McLemore becomes that defender we need him to be, I think we could defensively matchup with any team in the west right now, and that's mainly because the top teams in the west don't have an elite SF. If Collison, McLemore, Johnson/Cauley-Stein, & Cousins are all good defenders, we should be hard to exploit. We mainly have to worry about teams with strong SFs who can go at Gay. I wouldn't say Gay is a bad defender, but he's not the type of guy you rely on defensively.

Durant, Leonard, and Wiggins (in the future) could give us fits. However, we might have a way to combat that. If we were to play a team like the Thunder or Spurs, we could play a big lineup to try and shut down these SFs. For instance, this is how we would matchup with both teams:

Westbrook/Parker - Collison
Morrow/Green - Gay
Durant/Leonard - Cauley-Stein
Ibaka/Splitter - A. Johnson
Adams/Duncan - Cousins

In this scenario, we put Gay on the weaker offensive SGs who are mainly in the lineup to spot-up. Meanwhile, we put the uber athletic and long Cauley-Stein on Durant & Leonard to try and slow them down as much as possible. This big lineup would really rely on A. Johnson becoming a consistent 3pt threat to give us enough floor spacing offensively. Not to mention, Cauley-Stein refining a midrange jumper would help a lot as well. A lot of ifs in this big lineup, but an interesting one to say the least..
 
That big lineup will really struggle offensively.

Rudy likes to shoot over people and doesn't like to worry about protecting the ball. That's the reasons Durant, George (length) and Leonard, Iguodala (ball pressure) give him most trouble. That and the fact, that those are top defenders at SF. Might be a good idea to give Rudy the ball on the move instead of asking him to create standing beyond the arc with the ball in his hands.

Going into the season with 2 SGs is stupid by itself, let alone the fact, that Stauskas hasn't given a minute of decent production, when games mattered. Signing decent bench SG, who can fill in starter position for a few games, is a common sense. Stuckey and Belinelli look like most worthy realistic targets, since they can shoot, pass (Stuckey also has dribble-drive game) and play passable defense.

Bird doesn't want to bring Watson back due to frequent injuries. Since he got only 22 minutes in POs, I would rather try to steal Cory Joseph from Spurs. After Kings find PF and SG additions thus using all the cap space, they can offer up to $17 million/4 year to Joseph by trading all 3 non-guaranteed deals (Moreland, Mccallum, Stockton). Then bring Miller for vet min as an insurance.

If Kings able to bring Stuckey and Joseph in, they immediately get good penetration AND decent shooting, that they can put at both guard positions.