When Do We Blow It Up?




Known playoff choker age 35 can’t come off the bench this franchise is something else man. Fox and his wife have both come out and basically said he had nothing to do with brown firing how stupid do you have to be to fire him jesus
 
dude12 said:
I’ve been saying that this will get much worse and as Hardboiled mentioned in his post, we need Brown’s structure and holding players accountable more than ever, not go away from it. Doug found out in game 1….this team is showing it’s incapable of sustaining any type of hard nosed defense or attention to detail. Even in his post game presser, Doug is literally saying the same thing as what Brown has been asking for for weeks.

Now putting on my speculation hat after reading some information, I think Monte was trying to tell Brown who to play, as in Keon. Could be why you saw Keon sit a couple of games for no apparent reason. Shades of Pete D’Allesamdro and Michael Malone. I have no proof of this but it does make sense that there became an obvious rift.

The rift widened when Klutch met with Monte and Monte maybe making another demand of Brown. Bottom line is Brown shouldn’t be told what to do by the GM.

In regards to Brown and his style, why is it that a guy like Ime Udoka can be Uber aggressive with his players and now they are reaping the rewards and his players are taking on his personality, which is a tough nosed team. Brown tries to hold his team accountable and he gets pushback. Fox and Keegan and DDR and Monk are nice guys. Brooks and FVV and Amen, etc are fierce pains in the ass.

We need to move Fox when the right deal goes on the table
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Unfortunately, the longer this toxic mess lasts, the less value you're likely to get for Fox or anyone else. I doubt that Time is a friend for GM having to make these decisions.

Stiles on 1140 is going nuts about the Fox-McNair-Brown dynamic. Fox is doing his best to hide in the corner and say he had nothing to do with the Brown firing. Already the attention is focused on the players and their culpability in the losing and the Brown firing. Fox is giving his best "don't look at me" routine like he had nothing to do with it.

Stiles thinks that McNair crammed this roster down Brown's throat and that McNair needed a fall guy for the losing. It just had to be Brown that caused it, not his own personnel decisions.
 
A big part of why Ham hates Monte and Vivek is because he feels they don't treat him well. Go back to post draft 2022. He hated Monte and hated Keegan and hated Brown and spent a fair amount of time complaining that his green room treatment wasn't fancy enough.
 
dude12 said:
How about a press conference by Monte to address the firing and let the reporters ask questions. I think that’s actually a good point. I think it’s actually very relevant when, you know, you fire the head coach out of the blue.
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Given the pool of reporters asking the questions, what makes you think that this would actually accomplish anything? Any info that is actually useful to the discussion is already coming out via Amick/Shelbourne aka people who are actually good at their jobs.

Dude’s just mad that the Kings didn’t leak the firing to him first so he could get the clout.
 
If I’m wrong let me know, but don’t teams usually have a press conference to announce their intern/new coach? Just something simple to announce we are behind our guy and we are trying to right this ship.

ham went on to bring up the maloof and how they bailed on the team and hid before they sold the team, effectively leaving the coaches and team to take questions from the press after games.
 
Tetsujin said:
Given the pool of reporters asking the questions, what makes you think that this would actually accomplish anything? Any info that is actually useful to the discussion is already coming out via Amick/Shelbourne aka people who are actually good at their jobs.

Dude’s just mad that the Kings didn’t leak the firing to him first so he could get the clout.
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They've made it clear that they all hate Vivek and Monte. I can sorta get questioning Monte's moves but I don't know what Vivek has done since hiring Monte that makes them so mad.

Up until about 72 hours ago it was cheap, but firing the guy you just got strong armed into extending (by the same people who were critical of the hire) sorta puts that to rest for now.

also I keep hearing about him not breaking the bank to go over the luxury line but we sorta did this DDR thing that caps us at the apron so I think we're screwed on that front right now.
 
fansinceday1 said:
If I’m wrong let me know, but don’t teams usually have a press conference to announce their intern/new coach? Just something simple to announce we are behind our guy and we are trying to right this ship.

ham went on to bring up the maloof and how they bailed on the team and hid before they sold the team, effectively leaving the coaches and team to take questions from the press after games.
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I’m certainly not team Ham but the GM should have a press conference. Wherever people fall on the topic of firing Brown or not, theres More people caught off guard by the firing and don’t understand it and would like to hear from the guy who actually fired him. Part of McNair’s job
 
I’m not team ham either, I just don’t get the hate for
the guy. He seems so vanilla and non threatening to me. This team is so lucky to have the press corps that they have here in sac. If ham rubs people wrong here man, how would you guys handle the absolute crap storm that is the Chicago, NY, Boston, and even Atlanta press corps? The press here and in the Bay Area pulls no punches!
 
The fact that they put Christie in charge tells me what the FO is thinking. They're thinking tank and hopefully get a high pick in a loaded draft. Not sure I agree with this but appears to be where it's headed. If somehow DC rights the ship and they start winning well they'll take that as well. I don't like interim head coaching jobs it's like you can have the job for now but, we have no confidence in you.
 
Bfreeman said:
The fact that they put Christie in charge tells me what the FO is thinking. They're thinking tank and hopefully get a high pick in a loaded draft. Not sure I agree with this but appears to be where it's headed. If somehow DC rights the ship and they start winning well they'll take that as well. I don't like interim head coaching jobs it's like you can have the job for now but, we have no confidence in you.
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It seems like the draft is shaping up to be pretty top heavy as in a 4 or 5 player draft and then a lot of question marks after that that. It would be tough to get into the top 5 without a friendly ping pong ball.

Allegedly Doug was Viveks pick for coach when Brown was hired so it looks like he is going to get his shot
 
Bfreeman said:
The fact that they put Christie in charge tells me what the FO is thinking. They're thinking tank and hopefully get a high pick in a loaded draft. Not sure I agree with this but appears to be where it's headed. If somehow DC rights the ship and they start winning well they'll take that as well. I don't like interim head coaching jobs it's like you can have the job for now but, we have no confidence in you.
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You think a team is tanking right before they need to extend a star player that’s going out and saying he needs to see more. How do you tank with fox, Sabonis, and Derozan
 
Tetsujin said:
Given the pool of reporters asking the questions, what makes you think that this would actually accomplish anything? Any info that is actually useful to the discussion is already coming out via Amick/Shelbourne aka people who are actually good at their jobs.

Dude’s just mad that the Kings didn’t leak the firing to him first so he could get the clout.
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just because you don’t like the reporter doesn’t mean you can just blow it off. You think the niners like talking to Grant Cohn? How about all the a-holes in the NY/PHI media? It’s a part of the job. Sacramento is cake compared to other media markets
 
Tetsujin said:
Given the pool of reporters asking the questions, what makes you think that this would actually accomplish anything? Any info that is actually useful to the discussion is already coming out via Amick/Shelbourne aka people who are actually good at their jobs.

Dude’s just mad that the Kings didn’t leak the firing to him first so he could get the clout.
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Even if they broke the news first they wouldn’t get credit people would just say shams. They basically broke the Derozan story before shams and he still got all credit
 
Hot take. There is no rebuild as long as Vivek owns this team now. They have royally f’d everything up. Who wants to play in Sac now? Who wants to be coach or GM now? Nobody.
Thank you Vivek for saving the franchise, but this just ain’t your game. You’re not good at it. Move on and give these ever-loving Kings fans a break.
Maybe, just maybe something can be done with the right trades and a retool, if that brings immediate success. But if not, there’s no way this ownership rebuilds again.
 
Hoovtrain said:
just because you don’t like the reporter doesn’t mean you can just blow it off. You think the niners like talking to Grant Cohn? How about all the a-holes in the NY/PHI media? It’s a part of the job. Sacramento is cake compared to other media markets
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The difference is that most of those guys aren’t cosplaying as reporters as they live off of their wife’s cushy lobbyist salary.

also those New York media dudes didn’t actually screw over my friends.
 
thingfish said:
Hot take. There is no rebuild as long as Vivek owns this team now. They have royally f’d everything up. Who wants to play in Sac now? Who wants to be coach or GM now? Nobody.
Thank you Vivek for saving the franchise, but this just ain’t your game. You’re not good at it. Move on and give these ever-loving Kings fans a break.
Maybe, just maybe something can be done with the right trades and a retool, if that brings immediate success. But if not, there’s no way this ownership rebuilds again.
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The thanking Vivek for saving the team wore out it's welcome 4 or 5 years ago
 
dude12 said:
I’m certainly not team Ham but the GM should have a press conference. Wherever people fall on the topic of firing Brown or not, theres More people caught off guard by the firing and don’t understand it and would like to hear from the guy who actually fired him. Part of McNair’s job
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I agree. The broken clock happens to be correct this time.
 
I’m not a Ham fan, but I do think the organization owes it to the fans to go through the motions to explain the position to the fans. Probably won’t learn anything all that meaningful, but they could at least take some heat off of the players and coaching staff to clarify things.

I‘m of the general sentiment that brown needed to be let go. It’s not necessarily fair but you can’t make good trades at the drop of the hat and you can’t fire your GM midyear. With that said, I have some serious concerns with Monte right now. Unless he pulls a rabbit out of his hat, he’s basically dead man walking until the offseason. I think he is an honest standup guy, but he has no motivation to look out for the future best interests of this team. I do not want him sacrificing multiple future assets looking for a Hail Mary trade for us to sneak into the playin.
 
Hoovtrain said:
just because you don’t like the reporter doesn’t mean you can just blow it off. You think the niners like talking to Grant Cohn? How about all the a-holes in the NY/PHI media? It’s a part of the job. Sacramento is cake compared to other media markets
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Great comparison. James Ham and Grant Cohn are fairly similar in journalistic skill/integrity.
 
dude12 said:
I’m certainly not team Ham but the GM should have a press conference. Wherever people fall on the topic of firing Brown or not, theres More people caught off guard by the firing and don’t understand it and would like to hear from the guy who actually fired him. Part of McNair’s job
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Yeah that's fair. Even though it's going to be:

"We felt this was the right time to move on after our disappointing start to the year. We're excited about what Coach Christie can bring and the direction he can take our team. We thank Brown for everything he's done to turn around this franchise and wish him the best going forward."
 
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