When Do We Blow It Up?
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Maybe that could happen but I don't know why they would be targeting Fox. Feels like they'd be a little early on an all in move. It'd be awesome if a trade happened that the Kings could knock out a lot of roster space with decent talent but I'd still be more expecting a middling team nearing the end of their window. The Heat come to mind. They've been trying to make that next step move seemingly forever.
I'd be shocked if at first Monte didn't make a change of direction move to start with. Building around Domas even if the odds of that working out might be iffy. Even though the DHO got figured out by most teams, Domas has certainly had to alter his identity offensively for Fox and DDR this season. If the Kings can find better balance defensively, DDR and Domas is still enough productively to see what the rest of the season or heading into next season brings. Also in terms of Devin on paper he's much better fit since the Friars ran a lot of the same ball screens, handoffs, etc. that the Kings like to run through Domas. The issue now is clock since Fox has kind of put the onus on the organization... again, but he's not living up on his end as he's wanting to be the highest paid player in the history of the game.
Maybe, but that's where the Spurs would use Fox's contract situation against the Kings. They aren't desperate and if anything they can't just take a shot in the dark and give up a major portion of their young talent on a player that could actually bail or not fit. I think desperate teams work with desperate teams for a reason. The Spurs have a unicorn so they'll likely want to finish off their team on a combo of space and consolidation. Consolidation before addition can get dicey if they are giving up prime young talent and value.
Nah, you don't trade Fox. Here's what Kings should do:
1. Trade Murray to Jazz for Lauri
2. Trade Huerter + Lyle + 1st round to Nets for Cam Johnson
3. Trade DeRozan to Warriors for Kuminga
Starters:
Fox
Kuminga
Cam Johnson
Lauri
Sabonis
Now the Kings have length they're looking for....and they all can shoot.
1. Trade Murray to Jazz for Lauri
2. Trade Huerter + Lyle + 1st round to Nets for Cam Johnson
3. Trade DeRozan to Warriors for Kuminga
Starters:
Fox
Kuminga
Cam Johnson
Lauri
Sabonis
Now the Kings have length they're looking for....and they all can shoot.
Been thinking through the rebuild scenario and here's what I have.
100% keep:
Carter
Keon
Keegan
Why:
Keegan on his rookie scale, only going to be 25 at the start of next season. I think actually giving him an opportunity to be a lead option could unlock the offensive potential he's always had. 2-way potential wings don't grow on trees and we control his RFA rights. Don't see any reason you'd move him.
Carter obviously on his rookie year/rookie scale contract. Is going to be very affordable for the foreseeable future and can/hopefully be apart of whatever the next iteration of the Kings are.
Keon; same thing. We control his RFA rights and is one of the young players on this team with real ascension play left in his game. I don't think he really gets you much in the trade market, so his value is best served with us for the next
Look to move asap:
Fox
DDR
Huerter
Lyles
All these guys are on limited-ish deals that expire within the next 2 seasons. These are the plays that restock the warchest and you get moving in a different direction.
Keep, for now, only move for the right deal:
Domas
Monk
These are mainly contract related because we have them signed long-term , on excellent value contracts, you don't have to feel pressured into moving them in a firesale. I think there's real good chemistry between them too; which is something you can build the next offensive system around.
100% keep:
Carter
Keon
Keegan
Why:
Keegan on his rookie scale, only going to be 25 at the start of next season. I think actually giving him an opportunity to be a lead option could unlock the offensive potential he's always had. 2-way potential wings don't grow on trees and we control his RFA rights. Don't see any reason you'd move him.
Carter obviously on his rookie year/rookie scale contract. Is going to be very affordable for the foreseeable future and can/hopefully be apart of whatever the next iteration of the Kings are.
Keon; same thing. We control his RFA rights and is one of the young players on this team with real ascension play left in his game. I don't think he really gets you much in the trade market, so his value is best served with us for the next
Look to move asap:
Fox
DDR
Huerter
Lyles
All these guys are on limited-ish deals that expire within the next 2 seasons. These are the plays that restock the warchest and you get moving in a different direction.
Keep, for now, only move for the right deal:
Domas
Monk
These are mainly contract related because we have them signed long-term , on excellent value contracts, you don't have to feel pressured into moving them in a firesale. I think there's real good chemistry between them too; which is something you can build the next offensive system around.
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Wait what...how can i be wrong, I am expert in trade proposal lol.
Honestly, Kings shouldn't trade Keegan.
They should remove DeRozan...he doesn't seem to play defense. They should be able to get a decent piece back.
Then they should try to remove Huerter + Lyle + 1st round to get someone like Cam Johnson.
Honestly, Kings shouldn't trade Keegan.
They should remove DeRozan...he doesn't seem to play defense. They should be able to get a decent piece back.
Then they should try to remove Huerter + Lyle + 1st round to get someone like Cam Johnson.
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Reed Shepard, Whittimore, and firsts
I don’t know how I feel about that Reed looked extremely small when I watched him. Most people are saying Amen Thompson ain’t happening and I believe it
Reed Shepard, Whittimore, and firsts
I don’t know how I feel about that Reed looked extremely small when I watched him. Most people are saying Amen Thompson ain’t happening and I believe it
I'll be honest, the Kings are just not in a good situation right now.
They mostly have their future intact, but they could very easily punt the rest of it off if they wanted to bring Cam Johnson types to fit with this core. I don't think that fixes the problem though; he's the kind of move you bring on as a solidified playoff team to put you into a contender status. Not as a savior to a team completely scuffling and falling off the face of the earth.
But if the team WANTS to save this core, they have to make some sort of move to spark the team. Obviously, whatever the reason, it's not working. Pure definition of being stuck between a rock and a hard place.
They mostly have their future intact, but they could very easily punt the rest of it off if they wanted to bring Cam Johnson types to fit with this core. I don't think that fixes the problem though; he's the kind of move you bring on as a solidified playoff team to put you into a contender status. Not as a savior to a team completely scuffling and falling off the face of the earth.
But if the team WANTS to save this core, they have to make some sort of move to spark the team. Obviously, whatever the reason, it's not working. Pure definition of being stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I agree with a lot of this but struggling to move Fox. Might be a hot take but I’d rather move Domas. I like him, but I think we are seeing why it is hard to build around him as a 5. He has no defensive presence and we are trying to help way too much to compensate for it.
I find myself wondering what it would look like to have someone like Turner instead (as an example) and put Sabonis capital into a PF or just improve the talent overall of the team.
I find myself wondering what it would look like to have someone like Turner instead (as an example) and put Sabonis capital into a PF or just improve the talent overall of the team.
The reason why I haven't been as active on this board this season is because my interest in the Kings has significantly diminished when it became clear that this was a repeat of last year. It only took me about 5 games to catch on. I used to watch 75+ games every single year dating back to the last 10 years+. I’ve only watched about 8 this year.
Team looks off. Players look off. Coaching looks off. This is worse than last year because now you’ve got players like Keegan and Kevin being completely unreliable on offense.
I was never a fan of the DDR acquisition, and it’s safe to say that it hasn’t panned out.
Fox wants All-NBA money when he’s not even playing like an All-Star this year. 8 years of his lackadaisical effort and intensity gets tiring. He’s only had 1 year of franchise-level play. At this point, it’s clear that he’s not a franchise player. With him it’s always been mental. Maybe he finds himself with a change or scenery, but it feels like the Kings have tried to exhaust different options to make him more comfortable, but he’s just not playing up to his potential.
Mentally soft is what the group is. You can’t win with these group of players.
Keegan has been one of the biggest disappointments for me. “Yay he’s finally shooting 38% from 3pt in the month of December” like it should be some type of accomplishment. This is the guy we made unavailable in all trade talks over the summer to better our team. If he shoots better than 30.8% this season, I would guarantee you that the Kings would have a winning record right now. Such an unreliable shooter/scorer for the Kings.
I hated the Devin Carter pick, but maybe Monte made this pick in anticipation of replacing Fox with him?
Beam team was fun, but it’s time to shake up the roster when it’s clear that nothing is changing. We need to keep all of our leverage and make Fox available. Try to trade DDR for any positive asset.
I would like to keep Sabonis, but if he can net us back a young future all-star, then we should pull the trigger.
Team looks off. Players look off. Coaching looks off. This is worse than last year because now you’ve got players like Keegan and Kevin being completely unreliable on offense.
I was never a fan of the DDR acquisition, and it’s safe to say that it hasn’t panned out.
Fox wants All-NBA money when he’s not even playing like an All-Star this year. 8 years of his lackadaisical effort and intensity gets tiring. He’s only had 1 year of franchise-level play. At this point, it’s clear that he’s not a franchise player. With him it’s always been mental. Maybe he finds himself with a change or scenery, but it feels like the Kings have tried to exhaust different options to make him more comfortable, but he’s just not playing up to his potential.
Mentally soft is what the group is. You can’t win with these group of players.
Keegan has been one of the biggest disappointments for me. “Yay he’s finally shooting 38% from 3pt in the month of December” like it should be some type of accomplishment. This is the guy we made unavailable in all trade talks over the summer to better our team. If he shoots better than 30.8% this season, I would guarantee you that the Kings would have a winning record right now. Such an unreliable shooter/scorer for the Kings.
I hated the Devin Carter pick, but maybe Monte made this pick in anticipation of replacing Fox with him?
Beam team was fun, but it’s time to shake up the roster when it’s clear that nothing is changing. We need to keep all of our leverage and make Fox available. Try to trade DDR for any positive asset.
I would like to keep Sabonis, but if he can net us back a young future all-star, then we should pull the trigger.
This is the old talking point with Domas, but it just isn't true. Dude is ACTUALLY giving us All-NBA production and the team is 3.9 points better with him defensively on the floor. He's tough as nails, never takes a game for granted and has honestly become a very good post defender. Jokic really struggled to move him off his spot in the post.
For reference when he's on the floor, here's where our team ratings would match up with the rest of the league:
975 minutes:
ORtg: 3rd
DRtg: 13th
When he's off the floor:
432 minutes
ORtg: 10th
DRtg: 25th
If anything, this team should be built more around Domas and maximizing what he does well. Because he's the guy right now for the Kings who's producing night in and night out. He's improved his game every single year as a King (is even a reliable floor spacer now! 43% on 3.1 3PA/game!!) and is signed long-term on a great contract.
For reference when he's on the floor, here's where our team ratings would match up with the rest of the league:
975 minutes:
ORtg: 3rd
DRtg: 13th
When he's off the floor:
432 minutes
ORtg: 10th
DRtg: 25th
If anything, this team should be built more around Domas and maximizing what he does well. Because he's the guy right now for the Kings who's producing night in and night out. He's improved his game every single year as a King (is even a reliable floor spacer now! 43% on 3.1 3PA/game!!) and is signed long-term on a great contract.
Keegan is being asked to the the 5th option on offense. His offense will be inconsistent but I hope December is an indication his shooting is coming back despite the last two games.
Heurter was 50% from 3 on 2 attempts.
I think there are bigger issues now. Something is off with the whole team. The defense is horrible. No one is shooting well except Fox.
Heurter was 50% from 3 on 2 attempts.
I think there are bigger issues now. Something is off with the whole team. The defense is horrible. No one is shooting well except Fox.
It’s truly bizarre what’s gone on just in the last week. Assuming we blow this up, the organization has to admit it made some big assumptions about the direction of the team and plain got them wrong. Building around 2 all-stars and assuming sustained success is a reasonable assumption. But if the roadmap was to be a contending team by year 3 of brown’s tenure without really changing its makeup, there has to be a deep look into what made us think that way. I love Fox and Sabonis, but I never believed they could get us past the 2nd round.
Well I agree with a lot of what you say about him. I like him and he is tough as hell. But when he is off the floor we have no one so idk how much those stats really mean. Our bench has been atrocious.
I just don’t puts stats over what I’m seeing. Stats don’t tell the full story.
I will often rewind when after we give up an open shot and you’d be shocked to see how many times Domas is just out of position or not helping on a drive or sagging into the paint instead of rotating to the open shooter (tho he isn’t the only common culprit). The second half is a good example. I don’t think his on ball defense is actually bad, but his team defense is not good. He makes it more difficult on our own team to defend the pick and roll way too often.
I think if you build around Domas you need a PF that can be a rim protector/inside defensive presence so we don’t have to have everyone else helping off as much as we do now.
I just don’t puts stats over what I’m seeing. Stats don’t tell the full story.
I will often rewind when after we give up an open shot and you’d be shocked to see how many times Domas is just out of position or not helping on a drive or sagging into the paint instead of rotating to the open shooter (tho he isn’t the only common culprit). The second half is a good example. I don’t think his on ball defense is actually bad, but his team defense is not good. He makes it more difficult on our own team to defend the pick and roll way too often.
I think if you build around Domas you need a PF that can be a rim protector/inside defensive presence so we don’t have to have everyone else helping off as much as we do now.