Bosnian Diehard
Starter
We should blow it up now. My worst fear is we wait too long like did with the Webber era and sell our stars for way below their true value. Then you get stuck in no man’s land that way for longer than you should.
When Do We Blow It Up?
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SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
That team age wise was so different. Monte has more time. I still think at least 1 season at the very least.
Also Webber was coming off an injury that left him never the same.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
my best guess is kings make a trade for a forward, see how the team looks with that guy plus the addition of Devin. Gives Mike two guys that will do what he wants and then if we don’t turn it around Vivek fires Brown ugh and promoted his initial choice Doug. I really don’t want to deal with this again haha
Dongoodboy
Bench
Still think the best timing to be a seller is this trade deadline. Another FRP for a forward that most likely is not a needle mover is a waste, but yeah it is what Vivek would do.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
You have to try and maximize the talent you have on the roster. You have 3 all star level talents, why throw that away after a 13-15 start? If at the end of this season you don’t see improvement then you are probably going to see a Fox trade. He is worth a young player or two and 3 good draft picks. That’s a mini re-tool instead of a total rebuild.
fansinceday1
Starter
the writing will be on the wall by the all star game. They are gonna have to move Fox. It would be a disaster to let him walk with zero compensation.
sactowndog
All-Star
This^
As a shared seats season ticket holder Monte losing Fox for zero compensation would be the icing on the cake for me and my tickets.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
I’m not the biggest fan of fox at this moment but you don’t trade him till next deadline when he demands out. Trade Derozan dudes a 35 year old ball stopper with terrible defense he doesn’t fit unless he agrees to come off the bench
sactowndog
All-Star
If you want any value for him you trade him now or not at all.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
I just don’t see how that’s an option there not gonna punt on the season.
Also if we trade fox we should look into getting one of Zion or ingram to replace his scoring
QWERTYLICIOUS
Starter
sactowndog
All-Star
I would argue never punting on any season is partly why they are in their current situation.
That said if they could get a decent forward and back up forward for Fox they would be a better team.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
If Houston is offering Amen Thompson, Smith, and picks yes but I doubt they do that and other teams that can offer something similar wouldn’t make a major move like that right now. Looking at Orlando with a Franz and picks or Spurs with Castle and Vassel offer
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Folsomkingsfan
Starter
I feel like Orlando wouldn't even take that call
sactowndog
All-Star
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Any discussion of second rounders probably should include discussion of undrafted free agents as well, since all indications are that the lines between them are blurring. It’s not enough, but hitting on one Keon Ellis does make up a lot of ground for missing on the others.
Also, and this is a personal pet peeve, but I think bears repeating: if a player was drafted by the Kings but immediately traded to another team, the other team was the one making that selection. It’s much more accurate to refer to the pick traded, in addition to/rather than just the player.
Also, and this is a personal pet peeve, but I think bears repeating: if a player was drafted by the Kings but immediately traded to another team, the other team was the one making that selection. It’s much more accurate to refer to the pick traded, in addition to/rather than just the player.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Liked the post, but punctuation would be nice. Every time I read your posts I'm thinking I'm reading No Country for Old Men, by McCarthy
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Monte clearly sees second rounders as contract and financial assets as opposed to depth pieces. He has used them to free up space a couple times now. Both Keon (already a home run) and Isaac (potentially a ground rule double) make up for not hitting on seconds in my opinion. I think Monte knows he had one round left in the chamber and doesn’t want to waste it but I think he has to take action on one or two first rounders to give us the juice we need. I don’t worry about those picks sinking us like the Nets/Boston deal because we have a pre or in prime core that we can re-tool instead of rebuild if needed. If this ship sinks, Fox should get us a young player and 3 first rounders to restock the cupboards with. Plenty of opportunity to have a fun team with Monk, Keegan, Sabonis, young player A, Devin Carter and then up to 7 first rounders (our own and incoming traded ones). I don’t want us to trade Fox but if it happens there is still hope for the Franchise.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Haha my phone’s spell check changes a lot and all my friends say the same thing you said, I’ll do better. Expect in game threads when we’re down 10 two minutes in and I’m pissed
Kingster
Hall of Famer
In answer to the topical question: It was ready 10 games ago. Are we there yet? Do we now have consensus that some fairly radical measures must be taken? Unless you believe in the tooth fairy and McNair is somehow going to get a lot of something for a lot of nothing in a trade, then you eat it - eat the delusion that this team has any chance as it is currently constructed of being anything more than mediocre. In other words, the ceiling is mediocrity. There is room for less than mediocrity if such things as injuries and player disenchantment should arise.
McNair strikes me as a pretty stubborn dude. He has his draft, trade and FA methodology and he sticks to it no matter what. But reality has a funny way of not cooperating with strict set of rules. This team has kicked him in the teeth and one has to wonder if his view of this team and of his own decision making process is now in question. My question is when or if he finally says, "No mas," and changes course.
McNair strikes me as a pretty stubborn dude. He has his draft, trade and FA methodology and he sticks to it no matter what. But reality has a funny way of not cooperating with strict set of rules. This team has kicked him in the teeth and one has to wonder if his view of this team and of his own decision making process is now in question. My question is when or if he finally says, "No mas," and changes course.
sactowndog
All-Star
I would take Smith and what we could get by routing VanVleet to a 3rd team.
This might be a more effective post if any of the guys we "gave up" were actually good/useful players. Keon is better than all of them
serbiangoat
Starter
I really don't like when a player says "I also want to win", it's not like the Kings have not been trying they built the whole team around Fox from trading away Hali to get him Sabonis,(amazing move) drafting Murray more for fit (while being a good player) and this season they got maybe the most talented available/gettable player (not a fan of the move) in DDR and added shooting last season in Huerter (looked good at one point ) and his best friend and elite bench scorer Monk. The team is trying to win it's on you to carry them to wins.
If he wants to win and show he's a superstar and max player(he showed when the Kings made the playoffs) than do it, there is far less talented players and teams currently out performing Fox and the Kings currently.
If he wants to win and show he's a superstar and max player(he showed when the Kings made the playoffs) than do it, there is far less talented players and teams currently out performing Fox and the Kings currently.
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TaxMan
Starter
Agree with you here. There comes a time when you need to push your chips forward and use your future assets. It’s very scary to think about all the doomsday scenarios where that comes back to bite you, but there is downside protection here. If we bomb out, you put fox out to bid and get back those assets. Hopefully you recoup more than you gave up, but at a minimum you are protected from total disaster.
I don’t think in the modern NBA you can just be content with settling for your “core”. Need to have the guts to mix things up and then need to quickly assess and have the guts to make your next meaningful move. The reality is it’s now been 2+ years of the same story with this team. Playing down to opponents, lack of fire at unbelievably inappropriate times, stretches of brain farts down the end, etc. It’s not just this year and last year either. Go back and objectively look at our big beam team breakthrough year. It’s the same deal, but we were all just in shock that we finally had a winner that the euphoria clouded our eyes.
I applauded the Deebo move, but I’m not sure all the pieces are fitting with him. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t the right move, but maybe we need that next big move to settle things in.
I’d do it for Smith and Amen Thompson. Would actually help balance both team
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Lebron and klutch ruined the league
