What's gonna happen when Holmes, Parker, Bagley come back?
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SLAB
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If Jabari can come in and have a similar impact that Bazemore has had so far, things can get pretty interesting the last part of the season
I’m going to venture a guess he won’t bring the defensive impact and intensity.
SacTownKid
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If Jabari can come in and have a similar impact that Bazemore has had so far, things can get pretty interesting the last part of the season
This is where things can potentially get problematic though. This last stretch once and for all cements the fact that this team as a small baller can do what Walton is expecting on both ends much better than the old school big lineups. Parker can fit into that small ball identity in some ways as a big. The question is what happens with the bigs? Holmes and Bagley should fit but how does it work from there? They can't let injuries turn out to be the short term by chance saving grace and then waltz right back into what hasn't worked all season in almost every configuration possible outside of that brief stretch towards the start of the year.
kingsboi
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Holmes you can integrate right back into the lineup and he will make an impact. He can defend the pick and roll, he shoots a high percentage in the paint and the Kings won some big games with him playing. It's Bagley that I worry about incorporating.
I’m going to venture a guess he won’t bring the defensive impact and intensity.
he’s literally on record saying fans don’t pay to watch defense lol
NewArena
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It’s great that we’re finding such chemistry again, but the crappy thing about this is that we have more guys coming back from injury that we have to incorporate all over again
I’d honestly sit Bagley out the rest of the season and see what happens. All these pieces swapping injuries has hurt us more than anything. I’d rather everyone have a full training camp together
Holmes will be easier to plug right in
SacTownKid
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Him being a guard that can switch up to SF and some PF does add a bit more to the table than Ariza being a PF able to switch down. Ariza did bring many positives though but Walton can kind of stick Baze with any lineup. He plays with Buddy and Bogdan. He plays at SG next to Fox. Next to Barnes at SF. He's being used like that true utility piece he was in Atlanta.
SLAB
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Give me Bagley and Giles off the bench again. Just like last year.
that's an old quote made under very different circumstances.
SLAB
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Based on what I’ve seen from Walton, if he comes in and loafs around on defense he isn’t going to get minutes. Do I expect him to be *good*? Na. But I do expect him to try.
I agree up front Belly and Holmes is win now. But also is Parker not in your rotation?
SacTownKid
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I'm not worried about any of the players individually, least of all Holmes, but more as a group. Although he has to let Holmes pressure to the perimeter like Bjelica does. That's the main difference we're seeing defensively when small. They are finally switching more, helping back less, and doing exactly what DC has been begging for all year in the broadcast booth by playing aggressive on ball defense. It will be interesting to see what Walton does. I really hope if tough decisions have to be made and some names at the PF/C spot get cut from the rotation until hopefully Vlade can ease some of the burden in the summer then so be it.
SLAB
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Honestly, until I actually see him play I have no idea where he fits in. We have a lot of (potentially quality) guys that can play that 4/5 spot.
SacTownKid
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It's going to be tough if the Kings keep playing like this. Look at what is going on here lately. The rotation has been refined to your typical 8 1/2 to 9 man rotation basically. That's another big part of why we are seeing consistency. Maybe Walton could tinker with playing some guys some nights and not the others but that has been a huge fat FAIL when he's done it before. Also, Barnes is playing most of his minutes at PF, just like at GS. That's been a game changer defensively.
Yeah, Bjelly at C has to stay if we care about winning. It's opened up so much on the offensive end and made everyone's life easier. We are shooting the cover off the ball right now, so that will regress some, but it's still an awesome look to turn too when we need an offensive punch.
So if Holmes is 30+ minutes at C, Bjelly needs 10+ minutes there or so, doesn't leave all that much for Giles to get on the floor. But he's showing far too much for him to go back to getting DNP's. He needs to be 15+ minutes every night too.
Sounds like Vlade went and got Jabari Parker and I know we were linked to him before. Would be surprising if he just sat on the bench with DNP's, especially with Bagley out. So he's probably a minimum 18-20 MPG.
Also Barnes has shown signs of life getting more and more run at the 4, which is probably his real position at this point. And he's by far the best small-ball 4 option we have when we want to get Fox/Buddy/Bogi all on the floor together with Bjelly or Holmes at C.
Basically, I have no idea what you do. Sounds like we won't have to deal with Marvin for awhile as it sounds like he's going to be out awhile:
The same thing that occurs everytime we cut Bjelica's playing time we will suck, this was the problem the first time we were waiting for Bagley/whoever else to come back and takes his minutes, Luke has to realize that if the Kings want to win he can't cut the minutes of Bjelica or giving him the ball to play-make .
jcassio
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Here's how I would distribute the minutes when Holmes and Parker are ready to play:
28 Barnes
12 Bazemore
28 Bjelica
28 Bogdanovic
28 Fox
20 Giles
28 Hield
28 Holmes
20 Joseph
20 Parker
Anyone not mentioned here is simply in a backup role, waiting for their number to be called. This includes Len.
When Bags comes back, I would put him in the 20 min/gm category (2nd unit) and see if he can put together a string of games without further or additional injury.
I expect Holmes to integrate without issue. Less so for Parker and Bagley.
Should Bazemore get more minutes? Sure, but you could make that argument about 2/3 of the players here. The minutes distribution I'm suggesting is just a way to get started with the integration.
28 Barnes
12 Bazemore
28 Bjelica
28 Bogdanovic
28 Fox
20 Giles
28 Hield
28 Holmes
20 Joseph
20 Parker
Anyone not mentioned here is simply in a backup role, waiting for their number to be called. This includes Len.
When Bags comes back, I would put him in the 20 min/gm category (2nd unit) and see if he can put together a string of games without further or additional injury.
I expect Holmes to integrate without issue. Less so for Parker and Bagley.
Should Bazemore get more minutes? Sure, but you could make that argument about 2/3 of the players here. The minutes distribution I'm suggesting is just a way to get started with the integration.
whozit
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Sometimes people change after being served a heaping helping of humble pie.
HebrewHammer
G-League
But just as often, they do not.
Showtime
Starter
Bagley doesn't fit. He's a black hole when he gets the ball and demands it on the block. He's not good on defense, and he's not good enough on the block to halt the offense for him. If he were a Webber type who could use a double team to get four or five dimes a game from it we might be having a different discussion.
TaxMan
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And that’s the rub. As he is currently constructed, Bags is not a good fit in the current nba. However, he has the tools and needs time to see if he can become one. We are very likely a worse team when we give him court time to try to figure it out. Injuries don’t give him court time. Its really such a depressing topic to me.
The Kings streak is largely based on better defense, running the floor and sharing the ball.
I think Holmes will improve the interior defense and he is the consummate team player. No problem.
Bagley is kind of a black hole and a weak defender. Big problem.
Parker might be best off the bench, especially if he can't improve his defense.
I think Holmes will improve the interior defense and he is the consummate team player. No problem.
Bagley is kind of a black hole and a weak defender. Big problem.
Parker might be best off the bench, especially if he can't improve his defense.
whozit
Starter
That is true. But I think it was Petrie who said, he's a King until he's not a King. Blank slate and hope for the best.
That's why finding big time wing talent has been king over the last 10 years in the NBA. You can find guys like Bjelly and Holmes who are super impactful to winning as your bigs, but don't take away from your wing stars and disrupt the offense. Unless your big is a unicorn offensive player (KAT, Jokic, Embiid, AD), you're almost always better off building your team around wing talent because it's just flat out more effective putting the ball in the hands of a shot creator out on the wing to collapse the defense.
At this point, I think just shut Bags down and get him ready to roll next season. It's beyond obvious something is going on below the surface that we aren't privy too. Getting Bags to the point where he can start to develop without getting hurt should be the priority.
Les Jepsen Fan
Prospect
I’m glad Buddy is at least showing he’s ok to come off the bench. It’s a good example for Bagley, who has shown to have an ego along with his Dad, that he needs to earn his keep on the bench. It’s all about fit, chemistry and teamwork.
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