What superstars (injured or not) can we get for Kevin?

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AriesMar27

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i was thinking about how we can get our hands on a real franchise player, how many teams in the league have no all star players on their team? the kings, thunder, bobcats and twolves.... oddly enough all of those teams suck. i dont want to trade kevin because he could easily become the best number 2 option in the nba if we had a real superstar on our team.

What superstars could we trade kevin for? granted kevin wouldnt be able to get us lebron, wade or kobe but could he get us another player like tmac, carmelo or gerald wallace (not a superstar but still...) i would love to trade kevin for tmac if it meant getting rid of nocioni and/or benos contract.

tmac would be the easiest since the rockets are now in worse shape than we are and kevin would be playing for a coach that knows how to use him correctly. not only that but a kevin/ariza would be a good start for the rockets rebuilding process. i would even throw in a future pick to get rid of nocioni and beno, we are going no where fast with this roster. when do any of you see us making the playoffs? 2011? 2012? with the way this team is assmebled i dont see it happening anytime soon. there wont be any lebron type of players in any upcoming drafts and we have horrible luck with that anyways. we are best pllayer available pickers not best player in the draft pickers....

i say we trade for tmac at the deadline if he is healthy. if it doesnt work we will have tons of capspace at the end of the season and nocioni will be gone. no superstars are going to want to sign here if we have capspace so i dont see what we will be missing out on. we will be like the hawks, getting a 2nd tier star to sign for way too much money. evans will be able to start at sg and there will be tons of minutes for evans and sergio, maybe even beno if he isnt in the trade.

beno/sergio
evans/garcia
tmac/greene
thompson/?????
hawes/?????

how about martin and nocioni for michael redd? he would be an expiring contract next year... then we can still use thomas to trade for chandler who is also an expiring contract. as long as we dont throw in any picks we would be set to rebuild the team from scratch without all of the bad contracts or pressure to sign big name free agents. wow, this team sucks....
 
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kevin is the best player on a 17 win team.... this is what we were complaining about back when we were a good team. players that put up points on a bad team. doesnt get much worse than 17 wins and he was injured. what do we have to lose? nothing. if tmac is borderline healthy we would be a better team. and we would get back all of the capspace that we lost when we traded miller and salmons..... hell that wouldve been a great trade. but thats in the past. after sitting here thinking about how this team could become better they would be better off sucking with a huge expiring contract. no one wants to come here and the players we have wont be getting us anywhere anytime soon. if tmac is done, then thats even better, it would be a straight salary dump on our part and we can finally move on with our lives and build a team that can compete.

this team is done.... i think not drafting rubio was the move that doomed this team. im not saying that he was the answer but we needed a pg and the best one in the draft was there. just like before we took a moderately athletic sg.... at least this time he isnt under 200 lbs like martin, garcia and douby.... martin wont lead us anywhere, why not trade him and some of our extra baggage for a superstar on his last legs? he is still better than any player we have on our team. and anyone who says that he isnt a good fit for our team is crazy because we only won 17 games, no one on our team is a good fit because if they were they would have won more than 17 games.... when was the last time a team that bad added a good but not great rookie and became a good team? name one time in nba history where that happened.... even lebrons team didnt make the playoffs that first year and they were in the east. yao missed it his first year, so did chris paul, dwight howard and brandon roy.... all of those players are light years ahead of every player on our team.
 
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SacKings7

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I'm all for trading Martin, but for T-Mac? Come on now. T-Mac will never be the player he once was. We can get something of value for Martin, not just a big expiring contract
 
Emma

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AriesMar27 said:
i was thinking about how we can get our hands on a real franchise player[...]I dont want to trade kevin because he could easily become the best number 2 option in the nba if we had a real superstar on our team.
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Easy. Gut the rest of our roster. Totally unfeasible.

We may just have to wait and grow our own. sigh........

BTW I want D-Wade. But no team trades a superstar while they are still worthy of the label, unless you're the Lakers who can just pluck another at will.
 
bajaden

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This is the most ridiculous trade suggestion I've seen in a while. Why in Gods name would you trade your best scorer for a washed up ex-superstar. What do you gain from that. Martin doesn't have to lead us anywhere. All he has to do is meld with the rest of the team and improve his defense. Martin isn't a leader. Some people are, and some aren't. But just because he's not doesn't mean he doesn't have value to the team.

We didn't draft Rubio. We drafted Evans. So get over it. Its not going to change no matter how much you cry about it. Life is full of disappointments, but you move on. Here's a stupid idea. How about we just keep all our young players and let them play together so we can actually see what we've got. Gee, wouldn't that be a smart thing to do. Actually see what you have before you start changing it again. Then maybe you can make an intelligent decision on what you need.
 
pdxKingsFan

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I think we need to play this season before we entertain trading Martin. We picked Evans to play the point, if that doesn't work out and its clear he is a full-time upgrade over Martin you make the move. Not before we know what we have.
 
Aenadin

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martin for captain jack... Stephen Jackson...

i know he is old but at least hes got that toughness playing...

id trade martin for..
 
VF21

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Trade T-Mac for Kevin. Yeah, that's the key to future success...for the Anaheim Kings.

:rolleyes:

Some of you never cease to amaze me.
 
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swisshh

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In a year the Hornets franchise might be in a huge fire sale mode, and KMart and a first rounder might be interesting bait for Chris Paul.
 
funkykingston

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The best shot the Kings have for some kind of star player won't come from trading Martin but Kenny Thomas. The Warriors got Baron Davis for Dale Davis and his ending contract. The best shot is for some all-star or former all-star who wants out or whose team is in dire financial straits to be in the market for cap relief.

And still, we're not talking about a franchise player but a borderline all-star. Teams don't trade franchise players. And they don't if they can at all help it.
 
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dbfish

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funkykingston said:
The best shot the Kings have for some kind of star player won't come from trading Martin but Kenny Thomas. The Warriors got Baron Davis for Dale Davis and his ending contract. The best shot is for some all-star or former all-star who wants out or whose team is in dire financial straits to be in the market for cap relief.

And still, we're not talking about a franchise player but a borderline all-star. Teams don't trade franchise players. And they don't if they can at all help it.
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Finally. An idea that makes sense.
 
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AriesMar27 said:
kevin is the best player on a 17 win team.... this is what we were complaining about back when we were a good team. players that put up points on a bad team. doesnt get much worse than 17 wins and he was injured. what do we have to lose? nothing. if tmac is borderline healthy we would be a better team. and we would get back all of the capspace that we lost when we traded miller and salmons..... hell that wouldve been a great trade. but thats in the past. after sitting here thinking about how this team could become better they would be better off sucking with a huge expiring contract. no one wants to come here and the players we have wont be getting us anywhere anytime soon. if tmac is done, then thats even better, it would be a straight salary dump on our part and we can finally move on with our lives and build a team that can compete.

this team is done.... i think not drafting rubio was the move that doomed this team. im not saying that he was the answer but we needed a pg and the best one in the draft was there. just like before we took a moderately athletic sg.... at least this time he isnt under 200 lbs like martin, garcia and douby.... martin wont lead us anywhere, why not trade him and some of our extra baggage for a superstar on his last legs? he is still better than any player we have on our team. and anyone who says that he isnt a good fit for our team is crazy because we only won 17 games, no one on our team is a good fit because if they were they would have won more than 17 games.... when was the last time a team that bad added a good but not great rookie and became a good team? name one time in nba history where that happened.... even lebrons team didnt make the playoffs that first year and they were in the east. yao missed it his first year, so did chris paul, dwight howard and brandon roy.... all of those players are light years ahead of every player on our team.
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Wade was the best player on a lousy Miami team 2 years ago. So what is your point again?

That's just dumb logic.
 
Entity

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I see people doing the same thing that GP has been bashed about for the last 4 years. GP has been trying to patch holes here and there to remain competitive and WE cried for a blow up and rebuild. Well that time has finally come and we are trying to jump the gun and trade the only player that was worth keeping from the vets. Granted Kevin doesn't seem like a vet only being here 5 years but right now he is the longest tenured King. He and Garcia have went through 4 coaches and are on their 5th now.

2 years ago alot of us felt the sg spot was sealed and we were looking to fill out the other 4 after getting rid of Bibby, Miller, Artest. Now some want to start all over trading Martin for this and that. We've got young TALENT with Martin, Thompson, Hawes, Evans, Greene, Garcia, and a vet to boot Nocionni (only 5 years himself). Lets see what happens this year before we start trading off any of those guys. Now Beno, KT are fair game. I'd personally be pissed to see Martin a Rocket or a Buck and me watching T-mac or Redd with our young core knowing that t-mac only has maybe 1 year left and Redd on his way down. Why do that? just to start right back over in 3 years with the rebuild after we have remained stable.

Martin will have trade value for years to come baring injury lets not jump the gun on any of those young guys.
 
Entity

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To answer the OP. the only superstars that are worth getting are not going to be traded here for Kevin. The term superstar is thrown around to much. The List is short.


Lebron James
Dwight Howard
Dwayne Wade
Carmello Anthony (maybe)
Yao (injured beyond repair)
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Chris Bosh (maybe)
Brandon Roy
Rudy Gay (maybe)

then you got the list of superstars that are to old to build with

Allen Iverson
Kobe
Kevin Garnett
Paul Pierce
Ray Allen (not really)
Steve Nash
Dirk (close enough)
Jason Kidd (close enough)
Tim Duncan
 
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fnordius

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As far as I'm concerned, anyone can be traded. But I'm not in favor, at this point in the team's development, of trading a younger player for an older one, unless the younger one has a bad contract and the older one is expiring.

Come up with a young and promising PF/C and/or PG for Kevin, along with an ender to make the salaries work, and I might well be for it. But I don't think his contract is bad, so I see no reason to dump him for some washed up ol' guy. Some commentators thought that Houston's chances improved when they were playing without Tmac. A player who may be more harm than help is not something I'd want us going after.

It's not as if we were close to a championship right now, anyway.
 
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AriesMar27

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i just threw out the tmac idea because i want to get rid of nocioni.... and we would get hella cap space to try to get better players by some other way. i wouldve hoped that other people would come up with other ideas.... that was just one example. we cant get any worse...
 
kingsnation

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Entity said:
Lebron James
Dwight Howard
Dwayne Wade
Carmello Anthony (maybe)
Yao (injured beyond repair)
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Chris Bosh (maybe)
Brandon Roy
Rudy Gay (maybe)

then you got the list of superstars that are to old to build with

Allen Iverson
Kobe
Kevin Garnett
Paul Pierce
Ray Allen (not really)
Steve Nash
Dirk (close enough)
Jason Kidd (close enough)
Tim Duncan
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If you're going to throw Kidd and Allen in there, you probably have to throw in Shaq to be fair unfortunately. As far as the top list, I'd throw a maybe next to Deron Williams as well. IMO, I just don't think he's in that category yet.
 
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AriesMar27

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Smills91 said:
Wade was the best player on a lousy Miami team 2 years ago. So what is your point again?

That's just dumb logic.
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ugh... wasnt wade already finals mvp by the time that happened? shaq missed half the season and then was traded to phx. wade was also missed a lot of games with a shoulder injury... kevin has weak ankles and no handles....
 
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kingsnation said:
If you're going to throw Kidd and Allen in there, you probably have to throw in Shaq to be fair unfortunately. As far as the top list, I'd throw a maybe next to Deron Williams as well. IMO, I just don't think he's in that category yet.
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its funny that roy was on his list, a year ago roy and martin were on the same level, now he's a superstar.... the entire league is passing him up.
 
Bricklayer

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Nobody is trading a superstar for Kevin unless he's attached to factors -- age, won't resign etc.. Keivn is not good enough to remotely matter on a superstar value system. He's a nothing on that sort of value system. There is no combination of Kevin + whatever that makes somebody go "hmm...maybe I'd rather have the floppy one dimensional never even sniffed an All Star game guy over my superstar." And an old or broken down fading superstar doesn't do much for us in our current position. So this whole idea is generally flawed -- Kevin should be on the table, but when we're talking superstar you aren't going to be abel to just offer him in packages to various people wihtout getting laughed out of the building. It would have to be something opportunistic (something Geoff specilizes in fortunately) and entirely situation specific. Somebody forces his way out of a city or somesuch and there is a league wide bidding war. And even then Kevin is just going to be the foundation of the offer. It will cost more.
 
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AriesMar27

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thats why i mentioned trading for tmac, if it doesnt work... and it wont because he will be injured all season, we get a huge salary dump. the rockets would actually be the real winners in that trade. brooks/martin/ariza is one hell of a start at a rebuild since yao is out for the season. lets not for get the draft pick that they will be getting next year regardless of what trades are made.

maybe geoff should gut the team... what do we have to lose?
 
Warhawk

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AriesMar27 said:
thats why i mentioned trading for tmac, if it doesnt work... and it wont because he will be injured all season, we get a huge salary dump. the rockets would actually be the real winners in that trade. brooks/martin/ariza is one hell of a start at a rebuild since yao is out for the season. lets not for get the draft pick that they will be getting next year regardless of what trades are made.

maybe geoff should gut the team... what do we have to lose?
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Besides more games and maybe eventually even an NBA team in Sacramento? ;)
 
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