What players won't make it?

[whozit]

Since I'm limited to ten options, I have eliminated Bibby, Miller, Artest, Salmons, Douby, Martin and Garcia. These were eliminated either because of restrictions from trading (Salmons or Douby(?)) or because of my belief that if they are included it will be in a mega-deal which I feel is unlikely now.

 

[whozit]

I selected Jeter and Williams. Jeter simply because there isn't any spot and Williams because I don't see the Kings eating any of their quareented contracts (i.e. Hart). I think Amundson is higher at the moment on the Kings keep list given he has a chance to earn a three year contract. This is also assuming the Kings keep fifteen players which is possibly unlikely in itself.

 

[VF21]

I said Jeter and Hart, because I'm hoping both Amundson and Williams show enough for the Kings to just bite the bullet and dump Hart - if they don't trade him away for future draft picks or something to someone in desperate need of ... well... okay, so I'm just wishful thinking.

 

[whozit]

^^^^ I like that thinking. It would give a more balance team going into the future. Meaning that there would be young potential across the board rather than in just one or two positions.

 

[SacTownKid]

Pooh seems like a pretty decent player but I just think he isn't needed. I also expect to see Hart waived. Ronnie Price should be given an opprotunity to take the 3rd PG spot in my eyes. He looked real good in summer league and is just as good a defender as Hart

Like VF I hope Justin and Louis make it and they get some time in the D-league. Louis especially.

I guess there is a chance Loren doesn't make too if his contract is not guaranteed but I think he does.

 

[Sac.Kings]

I selected Jeter and Williams. I hope to be proven wrong on Williams though.

 

[Kingzrool]

I selected Jeter and Hart.

I do think we are all guilty of wishfull thinking with Hart. Is it a reality to move him? We would have to trade him no? But he really seems like he has no place on this team aside from the end of the bench and why should we pay anything for that?

 

[Kings113]

Pooh Jeter and one of Potapenko/Hart/Corliss.

I hope both Justin Williams and Louis Amundson make the team. That'd be fantastic. As both should be solid hustle/defensive players. I think both have a good chance to make the team, but I'll be happy with just one of them. Which seems to be more of the reality.

If I had to choose one of them, I'd pick Justin Williams. Williams gets the edge from me because he brings some more of what we need with his shotblocking, length, athleticism, rebounding, activity. Offensively, other than hustle points he has shown he can score in the paint. In the summer league, he didn't get many touches because of the role he played on the team. Amundson is a similar player in all the aforementioned areas, but isn't the interior presence Williams can be/is. Neither player are passers or shooters, both are similar in size. Neither player are really going to be out there for offense other than hustle points.

 

[TheJoker]

Corliss Williamson.

 

[VF21]

Corliss Williamson.

Erm, dude?

You may want to check your vote. You picked Loren Woods.

 

[TheJoker]

Erm, dude?

You may want to check your vote. You picked Loren Woods.

It was accidentle but i decided to leave it alone but if you change it i'd appreciate it

 

[Gary]

Williamson, Potapeko, and Jeter.

Probally going to tell Williamson, Potapeko to go home, and Jeter wont make the cut.

 

[Bricklayer]

Since I'm limited to ten options, I have eliminated Bibby, Miller, Artest, Salmons, Douby, Martin and Garcia. These were eliminated either because of restrictions from trading (Salmons or Douby(?)) or because of my belief that if they are included it will be in a mega-deal which I feel is unlikely now.

Well, after you eliminate those 7 (which are the safest bets), it begins to look pretty grim for the young guys. The next 5 end up being Kenny, SAR, Corliss, Potapenko and Loren...and the kids are all SOL. With those guys all carrying bigass contracts except Woods, Loren seems like the only guy likely to be left off by being outcompeted by an Admundson or Williams for the big man #5 spot.

So barring a trade you get no:

Pooh
Williams
Admundson
Price
Hart

In fact, barring a move of some sort, with Hart's contract there isn't even room to keep all three of Admundson, Price and Williams as guys 13-15 in the NBDL or whatever.

Gee, about now I sure wouldn't mind moving Kenny + Corliss + Potapenko for one better guy with a big contract and free up some roster spaces for the younguns.

 

[nbrans]

I think they'll use all 15 roster spots this season. Last year they were above the tax threshhold until the Skinner trade so they couldn't risk using all the spots. This season though there are more than 15 guys under contract and we're still under the tax. So...

Active Roster:
Bibby
Martin
Artest
SAR
Miller
Thomas
Potapenko
Douby
Salmons
Garcia
Woods
Hart

Inactive:
Corliss

NBADL:
Price
Amundson/Williams

 

[Troy]

I think they'll use all 15 roster spots this season. Last year they were above the tax threshhold until the Skinner trade so they couldn't risk using all the spots. This season though there are more than 15 guys under contract and we're still under the tax. So...

Active Roster:
Bibby
Martin
Artest
SAR
Miller
Thomas
Potapenko
Douby
Salmons
Woods
Hart
Amundson

Inactive:
Corliss

NBADL:
Price
Williams

I think you are right NBrans, but where is Garcia? We did what we could this year in the offseason, next year should be a lot better because we have a good amount of $ to spend and the FAs are a little better.

I'm disappointed we didn't draft Sergio Rodriquez after seeing the video clip of him against Russia on this site, but I hope Douby surprises me. I'm also hoping that we get rid of Hart for some draft pick next year and play Price. I wouldn't be disappointed with Williams and Price being sent down to the NBADL, but Price should have a chance to play in some games and show if he deserves to be here. I think it will take Douby a little bit to learn to play PG like we are hoping he'll do. I just don't see why we cannot get a player that is a natural PG in the draft like Sergio or Rajon Rondo, or some of the other good PG available at the time. Instead we want shoot 1st PGs and sub par shooting SG (last year with Bonzi, much better this year with KMart).

 

[whozit]

Well, after you eliminate those 7 (which are the safest bets), it begins to look pretty grim for the young guys. The next 5 end up being Kenny, SAR, Corliss, Potapenko and Loren...and the kids are all SOL. With those guys all carrying bigass contracts except Woods, Loren seems like the only guy likely to be left off by being outcompeted by an Admundson or Williams for the big man #5 spot.

So barring a trade you get no:

Pooh
Williams
Admundson
Price
Hart

In fact, barring a move of some sort, with Hart's contract there isn't even room to keep all three of Admundson, Price and Williams as guys 13-15 in the NBDL or whatever.

Gee, about now I sure wouldn't mind moving Kenny + Corliss + Potapenko for one better guy with a big contract and free up some roster spaces for the younguns.

The bold part was the main reason I did the poll. There aren't enough roster spots allowed to keep them all even if you wanted to. I tossed around who I would cut/let go if it was my decision and it was Hart and Jetter. I picked Jetter and Williams because I don't see them eating a nearly two million dollar contract for someone who probably wouldn't get much time, if any. In fact, if they did waive Hart it would be the same as paying Williams (assuming he would be the reason) around $2.1 million (his minimum and Hart's quaranteed money). Although if they wouldn't be playing Hart anyways (don't know) it wouldn't really make much difference not to do it.

As far as combining Kenny + Corliss + Potapenko for one better guy with a big contract, one player comes to mind but I don't think you would be talking about the other KM or are you? Losing those expiring could be painful next off-season if the big contract doesn't come off the books next summer. Those expiring contracts are basically needed just to absorb the increases in salaries for those under contract and still have room to look at someone with the MLE.

 

[Kings113]

I think you are right NBrans, but where is Garcia? We did what we could this year in the offseason, next year should be a lot better because we have a good amount of $ to spend and the FAs are a little better.

I'm disappointed we didn't draft Sergio Rodriquez after seeing the video clip of him against Russia on this site, but I hope Douby surprises me. I'm also hoping that we get rid of Hart for some draft pick next year and play Price. I wouldn't be disappointed with Williams and Price being sent down to the NBADL, but Price should have a chance to play in some games and show if he deserves to be here. I think it will take Douby a little bit to learn to play PG like we are hoping he'll do. I just don't see why we cannot get a player that is a natural PG in the draft like Sergio or Rajon Rondo, or some of the other good PG available at the time. Instead we want shoot 1st PGs and sub par shooting SG (last year with Bonzi, much better this year with KMart).

I'm glad we didn't draft Ser-Rod, as I would of been against it mostly. Douby's better than him in everything but passing, which can be and is being worked on for Douby.

Douby and Price both have been working on their PG skills over the summer, both didn't look too bad at it in the summer league, either. Musselman likes them both.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm glad we didn't draft Ser-Rod, as I would of been against it mostly. Douby's better than him in everything but passing, which can be and is being worked on for Douby.

Douby and Price both have been working on their PG skills over the summer, both didn't look too bad at it in the summer league, either. Musselman likes them both.

Kind of a slightly important trait for a PG no?

No idea whether Sergio will pan out or not -- certainly been many international phenoms who don't turn out to be much once you up the level of competition. Nor was I sure Rodriguez would match the direction that I thought we were going with the club (of course we didn't go that, or any, direction with the club, so who knows). But you can see the flair the kid has, the natural PG instincts -- there is no tweener "what's my position" crap with him. You need a PG? Well there is absolutely no doubt that's what Sergio is. Price and Douby on the other hand are having to play against their natures.

 

[Kings113]

Yeah, I realize Sergio has the superior and quality play-making skills.

I still like Douby over Sergio for us to a significant degree. I also like what I've gathered about Price over the last year or so for us. As far as Douby's PG skills go, there is plenty of time to develop them and be a combo guard. Which as has already been variously publicized and said, has got to working on his PG skills this summer. Ditto Price.

Ser-Rod, being a true PG and more of a starting-potential player, wouldn't have the time or the right situation to develop here until Bibby's retired or traded. Also, who knows if Ser-Rod would even replace Bibby given were not in a total rebuiliding or in a heavy development envrionment. I think because of that, if we did draft him, I would think of Sergio as basically a trade asset, until he would indeed replace Mike Bibby.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

I'm somewhat iffy on Justin Williams especially now with the Loren Woods. It seems like Kings management is leaning towards keeping Amundson over Williams after signing him to a 3-year deal, and if we get Williams we may simply have too many big men/young talents on our roster. Another turnoff of Williams is that he's only around the 6'9"-6'10" range, with below average weight--as good as a shotblocker as he is his offense is still well below average. I'm not sure if he's a "project" worth investing in right now, and Loren Woods, even though I dislike his game, is more proven and thus makes the better choice.

Pooh Jeter, by default, won't make the team.

 

[SacTownKid]

Well no matter what, if you are going along with the thinking that Jason Hart won't be on a the team next year. Than Williams, Amundson, and Price are most likely candidates for the NBDL, and they ARE projects. Howeverm Amundson is probably the most ready of the 3 and could be able to contribute in areas we need right away.

 

[Kings113]

I'm somewhat iffy on Justin Williams especially now with the Loren Woods. It seems like Kings management is leaning towards keeping Amundson over Williams after signing him to a 3-year deal, and if we get Williams we may simply have too many big men/young talents on our roster. Another turnoff of Williams is that he's only around the 6'9"-6'10" range, with below average weight--as good as a shotblocker as he is his offense is still well below average. I'm not sure if he's a "project" worth investing in right now, and Loren Woods, even though I dislike his game, is more proven and thus makes the better choice.

Pooh Jeter, by default, won't make the team.

Williams just needs to add weight to his upper body. Which his frame suggests he can. Williams is a tweener, but I think with his tools that won't matter much as a PF/C.

Ultimately, he's not going to be out there for his offense. Neither will Amundson really. Williams has already shown he can score on hustle points and has 1 or 2 moves in the post. Who knows how he develops there.

I just don't think with his shotblocking, length, athleticism, mobility - his potential as a nice defensive big can be overlooked.

I also disagree one of Amundson/Williams has more of a shot of making the team than the other. If it's gonna be one of them anyways, which it probably will be. Ideally I'd like to get them both.

Neither Amundson/Williams are going to be nothing more than mostly 3rd bigs/possible NBDL-send-downs for their first 1 or 2 years anyways.

 

[Entity]

we will learn alot more come camp time as will Muss. You never know how players gel with a team. Williams may thrive in the system as a defensive big and may gel with the team defense perfectly therefore setting him apart from the rest. Same goes for Woods and Amundson. The team you are on makes all the difference. Players that are nothing come to a new team and all of a sudden they are sought after. Take Jimmy Jackson and Bobby Jackson. Both were bottom feeders in the league until they came to the Kings.

 

[Entity]

Yeah, I realize Sergio has the superior and quality play-making skills.

I still like Douby over Sergio for us to a significant degree. I also like what I've gathered about Price over the last year or so for us. As far as Douby's PG skills go, there is plenty of time to develop them and be a combo guard. Which as has already been variously publicized and said, has got to working on his PG skills this summer. Ditto Price.

Ser-Rod, being a true PG and more of a starting-potential player, wouldn't have the time or the right situation to develop here until Bibby's retired or traded. Also, who knows if Ser-Rod would even replace Bibby given were not in a total rebuiliding or in a heavy development envrionment. I think because of that, if we did draft him, I would think of Sergio as basically a trade asset, until he would indeed replace Mike Bibby.

I agree if we had no ball handlers on the team off the bench a backup PG with those traits would be important. But with Salmons, Garcia, Martin, Artest one of whom will be on the floor if Bibby is out is more than capable of the ball handling while Bibby sits for what maybe 8 min a game at best. Douby is a spark plug fitting the mold of the Bobby Jackson type pg off the bench. Bobby was not a true pg but i think we did pretty well with him didn't we?

 

[Kings113]

Yeah, I wasn't going against that. I've said similar in 1 or 2 other threads.

 

[Kings113]

This could be a fake/worked number, but NBA.com has Justin Williams at 260 lbs.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/justin_williams/index.html?nav=page

Either Williams has put on mass, or NBA.com screwed up huge. That's way too wide of a margin from the 215-225 lb listings that were on various profiles of him on draft sites, college sites, around draft time, and the summer league site.

Regardless of this, I'd think it's a possibility he's put on some weight since July anyways.

His height is listed at 6'10" on NBA.com. But that's been listed at 6'9"/6'10" on those various sites as well, and one inch isn't much.

 

[Entity]

Well i would imagine he was told to make it he needs to put on some weight. This could be a sign he is willing to do what it takes. Kinda like Kevin Martin was told to work on getting to the line and he got to the line over 15 times in most summer league games. We will see come camp time. This could be the first time we got some legit competion for roster postions in a while.

 

[Merdiesel]

I think you are right NBrans, but where is Garcia? We did what we could this year in the offseason, next year should be a lot better because we have a good amount of $ to spend and the FAs are a little better.

I'm disappointed we didn't draft Sergio Rodriquez after seeing the video clip of him against Russia on this site, but I hope Douby surprises me. I'm also hoping that we get rid of Hart for some draft pick next year and play Price. I wouldn't be disappointed with Williams and Price being sent down to the NBADL, but Price should have a chance to play in some games and show if he deserves to be here. I think it will take Douby a little bit to learn to play PG like we are hoping he'll do. I just don't see why we cannot get a player that is a natural PG in the draft like Sergio or Rajon Rondo, or some of the other good PG available at the time. Instead we want shoot 1st PGs and sub par shooting SG (last year with Bonzi, much better this year with KMart).

Petrie wanted a guy who could bring offense while Bibby is on the bench... and Douby can shoot the lights out!

 

[Entity]

Douby fits the Earl Boykins, Bobby Jackson mold of PG's to a tee. The spark plug that drives the lane hits the 3's and hustles 100% of the time getting the other team off balance.

 

[SacTownKid]

This could be a fake/worked number, but NBA.com has Justin Williams at 260 lbs.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/justin_williams/index.html?nav=page

Either Williams has put on mass, or NBA.com screwed up huge. That's way too wide of a margin from the 215-225 lb listings that were on various profiles of him on draft sites, college sites, around draft time, and the summer league site.

Regardless of this, I'd think it's a possibility he's put on some weight since July anyways.

His height is listed at 6'10" on NBA.com. But that's been listed at 6'9"/6'10" on those various sites as well, and one inch isn't much.

Has to be a typo. He is no more than 230.

And you're right, one inch isn't that much. From watching Justin in the summer league didn't it seem like he was just fine playing minutes at the 5? I think he could play some minutes there without a problem.