Sorry to pee on your Martin hate parade but our rooks weren't exactly blowing people out of the water for a couple of games before Martin showed up. To say that it's Martin's fault that Tyreke can't finish like he could earlier in the season and Omri can't seem to buy a basket and has been taking a few pages from the Andres Nocioni School of Forcing Things would be like saying that because we bought a puppy, th other dog has to start eating cat food. In addition, Donte rotted on the bench for the first game. Last night, he played a lot but got into foul trouble. I'd attribute the inconsistency of minutes to Paul Westphal not Kevin Martin since he's the guy who doles out the minutes and Paul seems obsessed with Nocioni playing a nice chunk of minutes despite the fat he does absolutely nothing. I'm not saying that Martin hasn't had a part in our losses (because he definitely has) but that the rookies and young players have done little to help matters.
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If it ain't broken, don't fix it, if IT IS broken, don't wait for it to get fixed by itself..
I don't know about the rest of the guys here, but if you are talking about a young rebuilding team, i prefer to see a team lead by Evans+Casspi+Greene rather than Kevin+Martin.
At the last two games(especially against the 76ers), what happened most of the time was that either Evans or Udrih passed the half-court, and then gave the ball to Martin who started the offensive play, Martin is a shooter, and a damn good one, but he needs to be a last stop in an organized offensive play, and not the "give me the ball and watch" type of player he(apparently) is now...I'm not blaming him with selfishness, what's wrong is the hierarchy of the Kings offense, if you got a PG like Evans or Udrih, let them do their job, which is playmaking, with Evans first step, it's simply a crime not to let him penetrate every offense while Martin and Casspi waits in the wings for the pass...if Evans can finish with a layup, great, if not, it means that a defensive player left either Martin or Casspi open, and that kind of offense can be very deadly...
I don't know about the rest of the guys here, but if you are talking about a young rebuilding team, i prefer to see a team lead by Evans+Casspi+Greene rather than Kevin+Martin.
At the last two games(especially against the 76ers), what happened most of the time was that either Evans or Udrih passed the half-court, and then gave the ball to Martin who started the offensive play, Martin is a shooter, and a damn good one, but he needs to be a last stop in an organized offensive play, and not the "give me the ball and watch" type of player he(apparently) is now...I'm not blaming him with selfishness, what's wrong is the hierarchy of the Kings offense, if you got a PG like Evans or Udrih, let them do their job, which is playmaking, with Evans first step, it's simply a crime not to let him penetrate every offense while Martin and Casspi waits in the wings for the pass...if Evans can finish with a layup, great, if not, it means that a defensive player left either Martin or Casspi open, and that kind of offense can be very deadly...
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Do i need to check every word i write here a 1000 times or is it ok to assume the posters here don't get offended that easily? especially when it wasn't my intention.
Ok, so how many losses does it take to become "broken" in your standard? 5? 10? 30? if you read the rest of my post, you would have read what in my opinion is broken, and how to fix it, if you consider letting the PG do their job as taking it completely apart, then i don't know what to tell you.
Ok, so how many losses does it take to become "broken" in your standard? 5? 10? 30? if you read the rest of my post, you would have read what in my opinion is broken, and how to fix it, if you consider letting the PG do their job as taking it completely apart, then i don't know what to tell you.
Don't get your panties in a bunch. I merely pointed out a fact.
It's a matter of making sure you know what's broken and two games isn't enough to narrow it down IMO. I read your opinion; I just don't necessarily agree that it's either the definitive cause or solution. And, for that matter, I don't agree with your assessment of "what happened most of the time was that either Evans or Udrih passed the half-court, and then gave the ball to Martin who started the offensive play."
It's a matter of making sure you know what's broken and two games isn't enough to narrow it down IMO. I read your opinion; I just don't necessarily agree that it's either the definitive cause or solution. And, for that matter, I don't agree with your assessment of "what happened most of the time was that either Evans or Udrih passed the half-court, and then gave the ball to Martin who started the offensive play."
Me too, seeing them struggle is really disappointing. I wish we could win like 20 games before the break but it's not looking like that could happen with the way the team has been playing recently.
Maybe all of the close losses and the Laker ref bail outs have exhausted and have frustrated our team so much that it has affected their play.
Maybe all of the close losses and the Laker ref bail outs have exhausted and have frustrated our team so much that it has affected their play.
I think it's quite likely all the close losses have indeed had a fact on the team. It's got to be disheartening to try so hard and yet always come up a little bit short.
What I've seen thus far is a team that actually rises way above expectations when they play the tough teams but seems less inclined to do so against poorer opponents.
It's all very much still a work in progress, however. There are lessons being learned that I think will enable them to do much better down the road. And the coaches and Petrie are seeing what will work and what won't. You need that data before pulling the trigger on a trade that could send a very popular player off to another team.
What I've seen thus far is a team that actually rises way above expectations when they play the tough teams but seems less inclined to do so against poorer opponents.
It's all very much still a work in progress, however. There are lessons being learned that I think will enable them to do much better down the road. And the coaches and Petrie are seeing what will work and what won't. You need that data before pulling the trigger on a trade that could send a very popular player off to another team.
I think you make a couple of good points here. Our offense has become more of a halfcourt offense for the last couple of games. And, I agree we don't play as well in a half court set. Its definitely affected Casspi who is more of, take whats there type of player. And thats a lot easier to do if you can attack before the other team gets into its defensive set.
At the same time I can understand slowing everything down for a while to work Martin back into the flow. We'll just have to see how it shakes out. What bothers me the most is that our energy level is down, and thats the one thing thats kept us in games. Sorry, I not buying into everyone hitting the wall just yet. But I can see them being a little emotionally spent. Its hard to go at 100% everynight and not get a win. Trust me, winning cures everything.
At the same time I can understand slowing everything down for a while to work Martin back into the flow. We'll just have to see how it shakes out. What bothers me the most is that our energy level is down, and thats the one thing thats kept us in games. Sorry, I not buying into everyone hitting the wall just yet. But I can see them being a little emotionally spent. Its hard to go at 100% everynight and not get a win. Trust me, winning cures everything.
"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."
Somehow this seems oddly appropriate. Cabbages and Kings somehow related? The sea = playing floor and the pigs = our bigs. (With due respect to (Lewis Carroll who wrote that in 1872).
To deviate for a moment:
Tyreke and Omri have hit the rookie wall, to a lesser extent so have JT and Hawes. With Martin fresh and apparently ready to play some minutes, Noce, Greene and Udoka are seeing their minutes drop and the typical performance decrease when minutes drop big time. Their energy late in games is gone since Martin is back, a coincidence only.
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."
Somehow this seems oddly appropriate. Cabbages and Kings somehow related? The sea = playing floor and the pigs = our bigs. (With due respect to (Lewis Carroll who wrote that in 1872).
To deviate for a moment:
Tyreke and Omri have hit the rookie wall, to a lesser extent so have JT and Hawes. With Martin fresh and apparently ready to play some minutes, Noce, Greene and Udoka are seeing their minutes drop and the typical performance decrease when minutes drop big time. Their energy late in games is gone since Martin is back, a coincidence only.