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Trade Brad Miller, Francisco Garcia, and the Kings first round pick in the 2007 draft to the Bobcats for Melvin Ely, Brevin Knight, and Charlotte's first round pick in the 2007 draft.

WHY? Ely has a strong post game, plays decent 'D,' has a great hook shot, and is young (28). He's a RFA, so that falls into the sign and trade category.

Knight is the perfect backup to Bibby. 12 points and 8.8 assists a game! And a good mentor for Price. I hate losing Garcia, but I think MJ would want him.

Charlotte's draft pick is going to be a lottery selection (Greg Oden or Joakim Noah to the Kings?)

THEN: Deal Kenny Thomas and the Kings 2007 2nd round draft pick to the Magic for Trevor Ariza.

WHY: Ariza (UCLA alum) isn't getting any playing time behind Dwight Howard and Darko. He won't get much time in Sac either, but that's not the point. This is a way to get rid of KT's contract. Thomas is an upgrade over Grant Hill at this stage of Hill's career, and no matter what everyone says about KT, he's not a bad player. Hill is leaning towards retirement, which would free up $$$ for Thomas.

THEN: Trade Jason Hart to Detroit for the Pistons' 2nd round pick in the 2007 draft and cash considerations. Lindsey Hunter and Tony Delk are both unrestricted free agents, and getting Hart for a low draft pick is a steal. Hart could be a good defensive back-up for the Pistons at a bargain basement price.

AND: Draft J.J. Redick to replace Garcia.

FINALLY: Sign Joel Pryzbilla (UFA). I think we have a better chance of getting him than Mohammed, since the Spurs traded Nesterovic. San Antonio's going to re-sign him without a doubt.

Oh yeah: re-sign Bonzi!

PG-Bibby, Knight, Price (13th man)
SG-Wells, Martin, Redick
SF-Artest, Ariza, Monia
PF-Abdur-Rahim, Williamson, Ely
C-Pryzbilla, Potapenko (14th man)

14 is the max on an NBA roster, right?

Definitely more beef down low, a better backup PG, and a future top 10 pick. We get rid of Miller and his soft defense, Thomas, his attitude and his contract, and Hart, who never fit in. The only bad thing is losing Garcia.
 
What about this...

Trade Brad Miller, Francisco Garcia, and the Kings first round pick in the 2007 draft to the Bobcats for Melvin Ely, Brevin Knight, and Charlotte's first round pick in the 2007 draft.

WHY? Ely has a strong post game, plays decent 'D,' has a great hook shot, and is young (28). He's a RFA, so that falls into the sign and trade category. He can also play center. (6'10")

Knight is the perfect backup to Bibby. 12 points and 8.8 assists a game! And a good mentor for Price. I hate losing Garcia, but I think MJ would want him.

Charlotte's draft pick is going to be a lottery selection (Greg Oden or Joakim Noah to the Kings?)

THEN: Deal Kenny Thomas and the Kings 2007 2nd round draft pick to the Magic for Trevor Ariza.

WHY: Ariza (UCLA alum and another RFA) isn't getting any playing time behind Dwight Howard and Darko. He won't get much time in Sac either, but that's not the point. This is a way to get rid of KT's contract. Thomas is an upgrade over Grant Hill at this stage of Hill's career, and no matter what everyone says about KT, he's not a bad player. Hill is leaning towards retirement, which would free up $$$ for Thomas.

THEN: Trade Jason Hart to Detroit for the Pistons' 2nd round pick in the 2007 draft and cash considerations. Lindsey Hunter and Tony Delk are both unrestricted free agents, and getting Hart for a low draft pick is a steal. Hart could be a good defensive back-up for the Pistons at a bargain basement price.

AND: Draft J.J. Redick to replace Garcia.

FINALLY: Sign Joel Pryzbilla (UFA). I think we have a better chance of getting him than Mohammed, since the Spurs traded Nesterovic. San Antonio's going to re-sign him without a doubt.

Oh yeah: re-sign Bonzi!

PG-Bibby, Knight, Price (13th man)
SG-Wells, Martin, Redick
SF-Artest, Ariza, Monia
PF-Abdur-Rahim, Williamson, Ely
C-Pryzbilla, Potapenko (14th man)

14 is the max on an NBA roster, right?

Definitely more beef down low, a better backup PG, and a future top 10 pick. We get rid of Miller and his soft defense, Thomas, his attitude and his contract, and Hart, who never fit in. The only bad thing is losing Garcia.
 
No way that goes down. The chances of that happening are ZERO. 1.The Kings want to win now, young guys aren't going to get it done. 2.All the teams have to agree and the draft has to go perfectly. 3.The Bobcats may be good next season, and the next draft minus Greg Oden looks pretty weak, and the chances of getting Oden are slim and none. 4.No way Redick falls to the Kings 5.No money to sign Joel 6.
 
I realize that more players are playing well into their 30s but 28 is NOT young in NBA terms. It used to be that 27 was considered the "peak" age.
 
why would knight want to be bibbys back up? pre-bobcats... sure... but now?
 
Good plan...but idk if it is realistic. Next year's draft is going to be awesome, getting the Bobcat's pick would be huge. I don't think the Bobcats would give it up for Miller though.
 
On second thought...

I think Redick will be available at 19. He's one dimensional, but his long range shooting is all we would need. Pretty court savvy too.

Why not make that deal with Charlotte? Most people here are down on Miller anyway, we get a post player to replace him, and why wouldn't Knight be a backup on a championship contender?

What would you want: Ely and Pryzbilla or Miller and SAR/Potapenko?

The 07 draft is going to be a good one. A lot better than this one. The Bobcats are going to be a cellar dweller again, which equals more ping pong balls in the hopper. A top 10 pick, Ely and Knight for Miller, Garcia and a late 1st round pick? Think about it.

And why wouldn't there be any money for Pryzbilla? We get rid of Thomas and Miller, and there still wouldn't be any $$$ for him? I thought the Maloofs were going to spend this offseason.
 
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2007 NBA Draft prospects-BETTER THAN 2006!

  1. Greg Oden, C, Ohio State
  2. Thaddeus Young, SF, Georgia Tech
  3. Kevin Durant, SF/PF, Texas
  4. Yi Jian Lian, SF/PF, China
  5. Joakim Noah, PF/C, Florida
  6. Josh McRoberts, PF/C, Duke
  7. Spencer Hawes, C, Washington
  8. Corey Brewer, SF, Florida
  9. Brandan Wright, PF, North Carolina
  10. Julian Wright, SF, Kansas
  11. Tyler Hansbrough, PF, North Carolina
  12. Ronald Steele, PG, Alabama
  13. Marcus Williams, SF, Arizona
  14. Glen Davis, PF, LSU
  15. Marco Belinelli, SG, Italy
  16. Al Horford, PF, Florida
  17. Richard Roby, SG, Colorado
  18. Tiago Splitter, C, Brazil
  19. Jeff Green, SF, Georgetown
  20. Aaron Gray, C, Pittsburgh
  21. Brandon Rush, SG, Kansas
  22. Ante Tomic, C, Croatia
  23. Wayne Ellington, SG, North Carolina
  24. Jason Smith, C, Colorado St
  25. Rudy Fernandez, SG, Spain
  26. Roy Hibbert, C, Georgetown
  27. Alexander Kaun, PF/C, Kansas
  28. Alexis Ajinca, C, France
  29. Al Thornton, SF, Florida St
  30. DeVon Hardin, C, California
  31. Brad Newley, SF, Australia
  32. Nick Fazekas, PF/C, Nevada
  33. Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, SF, UCLA
  34. Alando Tucker, SG, Wisconsin
  35. Davon Jefferson, SF, USC
  36. Darrell Arthur, PF, Kansas
  37. Uros Tripkovic, PG, Serbia-Montenegro
  38. Mario Chalmers, PG/SG, Kansas
  39. Sean Williams, PF, Boston College
  40. Predrag Samardziski, C, Macedonia
  41. Luigi Datome, SF, Italy
  42. Gabriel Pruitt, SG, USC
  43. Bobby Brown, PG, CS-Fullerton
  44. Coleman Collins, PF, Virginia Tech
  45. Danilo Gallinari, PG/SG, Italy
  46. Vernon Macklin, PF Georgetown
  47. Malik Hairston, SG, Oregon
  48. CJ Giles, C, Kansas
  49. Chris Lofton, SG, Tennessee
  50. Ekene Ibekwe, SF, Maryland
Tons of talent here... I'd do the deal with Charlotte for a shot at one of the top 10 guys on this board.
 
Fresno King said:
Trade Brad Miller, Francisco Garcia, and the Kings first round pick in the 2007 draft to the Bobcats for Melvin Ely, Brevin Knight, and Charlotte's first round pick in the 2007 draft.

WHY? Ely has a strong post game, plays decent 'D,' has a great hook shot, and is young (28). He's a RFA, so that falls into the sign and trade category. He can also play center. (6'10")

Knight is the perfect backup to Bibby. 12 points and 8.8 assists a game! And a good mentor for Price. I hate losing Garcia, but I think MJ would want him.

Charlotte's draft pick is going to be a lottery selection (Greg Oden or Joakim Noah to the Kings?)

THEN: Deal Kenny Thomas and the Kings 2007 2nd round draft pick to the Magic for Trevor Ariza.

WHY: Ariza (UCLA alum and another RFA) isn't getting any playing time behind Dwight Howard and Darko. He won't get much time in Sac either, but that's not the point. This is a way to get rid of KT's contract. Thomas is an upgrade over Grant Hill at this stage of Hill's career, and no matter what everyone says about KT, he's not a bad player. Hill is leaning towards retirement, which would free up $$$ for Thomas.

THEN: Trade Jason Hart to Detroit for the Pistons' 2nd round pick in the 2007 draft and cash considerations. Lindsey Hunter and Tony Delk are both unrestricted free agents, and getting Hart for a low draft pick is a steal. Hart could be a good defensive back-up for the Pistons at a bargain basement price.

AND: Draft J.J. Redick to replace Garcia.

FINALLY: Sign Joel Pryzbilla (UFA). I think we have a better chance of getting him than Mohammed, since the Spurs traded Nesterovic. San Antonio's going to re-sign him without a doubt.

Oh yeah: re-sign Bonzi!

PG-Bibby, Knight, Price (13th man)
SG-Wells, Martin, Redick
SF-Artest, Ariza, Monia
PF-Abdur-Rahim, Williamson, Ely
C-Pryzbilla, Potapenko (14th man)

14 is the max on an NBA roster, right?

Definitely more beef down low, a better backup PG, and a future top 10 pick. We get rid of Miller and his soft defense, Thomas, his attitude and his contract, and Hart, who never fit in. The only bad thing is losing Garcia.
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Ok not sound like a downer but no way the Magic does this trade. First Ariza is a SG/SF a position in which they need help. Also you mention the fact that the Magic are set in the front why would they want KT then? Now we look at the cap situation why would Orlando give up their cap space for K?. The second round pick does not make up for the fact that the Magic get robbed in this deal.
 
AriesMar27 said:
why would knight want to be bibbys back up? pre-bobcats... sure... but now?
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Because he wants to be on a playoff team if he's getting little time on a young, developing team in Charlotte. With a up and coming PG like Felton in front of him.

He didn't say anything about starting when talking about going to a PO team.
 
Fresno King said:
WHY: Ariza (UCLA alum) isn't getting any playing time behind Dwight Howard and Darko. He won't get much time in Sac either, but that's not the point. This is a way to get rid of KT's contract. Thomas is an upgrade over Grant Hill at this stage of Hill's career, and no matter what everyone says about KT, he's not a bad player. Hill is leaning towards retirement, which would free up $$$ for Thomas.
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Ariza gets no playing time behind Dwight and Darko? Ariza is a swing man not a forward.

This whole idea is flawed, it look like something out of a videogame.

I'll just wait for someone like Slim to do the usually break down analysis, I'm not feeling it.
 
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When the Maloofs say they'll give Musselman 'anything he needs' to build a championship contender, then who gives a damn about the salary cap?
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Yeah, I'm sure the league office will bend the rules just for the Kings.

Discounting the ridiculous impossibility of both of your proposed trades, explain to me why you would trade a starting center in Miller for a guy that you have behind both Shareef and (for whatever reason) Williamson on the depth chart at PF.

Secondly, it looks like you meant that Charlotte would trade the Kings their 2008 pick, not their 2007. Still, why would Petrie want a top pick in NEXT year's draft when his best players are in their primes right now?

I have no problem with Petrie dealing Miller (or Bibby, or Artest, or Martin etc) but not just to deal them. Nothing you proposed actually improves the team with the possible exception of signing Przybilla. However, I think Portland will re-sign him. And if they don't, I think he'll get better offers than the MLE which is all the Kings can muster.
 
funkykingston said:
Yeah, I'm sure the league office will bend the rules just for the Kings.

Discounting the ridiculous impossibility of both of your proposed trades, explain to me why you would trade a starting center in Miller for a guy that you have behind both Shareef and (for whatever reason) Williamson on the depth chart at PF.

Secondly, it looks like you meant that Charlotte would trade the Kings their 2008 pick, not their 2007. Still, why would Petrie want a top pick in NEXT year's draft when his best players are in their primes right now?

I have no problem with Petrie dealing Miller (or Bibby, or Artest, or Martin etc) but not just to deal them. Nothing you proposed actually improves the team with the possible exception of signing Przybilla. However, I think Portland will re-sign him. And if they don't, I think he'll get better offers than the MLE which is all the Kings can muster.
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My depth chart isn't in any particular order.

And I meant the 2007 draft pick. Next year's draft is loaded. I'd love to get a shot at Oden or Noah.

About the salary cap... I meant to say that I interpreted the Maloofs comments as "if we have to pay a higher luxury tax, so be it."

And the trade doesn't improve the team? A better backup PG, a possible top 10 pick in 07, and an interior post player who makes considerably less money for our current soft 7 foot jump shooter that chokes in the playoffs, doesn't do any conditioning whatsoever in the offseason, is allergic to rebounding and defending, and doesn't fit into Musselman's defensive style? Give me a break. You're strengthening the roster and building for the future at the same time with this deal.
 
Okay there are SO MANY things wrong with this I don't know where to start but here goes:

First off Ely is not young. He's barely younger than Brad Miller. He's not some great post player or shotblocker. He's decent and he averages 0.8 BPG. That's barely more than Brad. Garcia's way too talented to give up in this trade. Brevin doesn't suck but he doesn't bring any shooting which we'll need. Charlotte won't want to give up their '07 pick and we want to win a title in the next couple years. By the time whoever we pick with that becomes a star Artest, Bibby, etc. will be getting old.

You can't just dump Kenny Thomas for someone who makes a lot less like Ariza unless that team is under the salary cap.

Signing Pryzbilla won't work because we're over the cap and you can only use the MLE(5 million) when you're over the cap. Pryzbilla will get more from NOK, ATL, etc.
 
if knight can be had for whatever pieces we have.... why not... but seriously though...
 
I don't know how this happened but Fresno King had the same exact thread going twice. I've merged them into one thread...
 
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