Wes Wilcox leaving for University of Utah job

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

In the last 11 months we have lost

Jordy Fernandez - Asst Head Coach
Mike Brown - Head Coach
De'Arron Fox - Best Player
Luke Louks - 2nd Assistant Coach
Wes Wilcox - Asst GM

In addition to some role players

We have added Lavine, DeRozen, Valuncunias, Laravia (who we might not be able to keep), Devin Carter

We have a fan loved, but uncertain Interim Head Coach and at least two assistant coaches who will for sure not be back next year, maybe more. And even with Vivek's claim that Monte is the best GM In the world like 2 months ago on Social Media, he may possibly be shown the door.

And thank God Dallas and Memphis exist right now, or who knows what world we would be living in!!

I would, honestly, keep Doug for at least another season, especially if we're wanting to run it back with the current roster coupled with whatever acquisitions we make during the offseason, for a full season to see if there's any hope. Depending on where we are after the end of next season, we then decide if we want to rebuild, or if we just want to work with what we have.

 

[Padrino]

I would, honestly, keep Doug for at least another season, especially if we're wanting to run it back with the current roster coupled with whatever acquisitions we make during the offseason, for a full season to see if there's any hope. Depending on where we are after the end of next season, we then decide if we want to rebuild, or if we just want to work with what we have.

I can't imagine this is going to be the position of the front office. It remains as obvious as ever that Monk/LaVine/DeRozan is not a winning trio in the starting unit. But if the front office wants a longer look at this roster as-is, for god knows what reason, then you're right, they might as well run it back with DC as head coach, because .500 is what the team is destined to be with the current roster construction.

 

[iowamcnabb]

I can't imagine this is going to be the position of the front office. It remains as obvious as ever that Monk/LaVine/DeRozan is not a winning trio in the starting unit.

I agree, but it would be useful to see what the current iteration of the lineup can do. If we finish strong, we might feel a bit better knowing that Monk is a difference maker off the bench and see whether he accepts that role again. We will still likely flip Deebo this offseason (here is me secretly hoping Carter starts next season) 3 guys who are plus defenders in that starting unit and an elite spark plug off the bench could totally change the trajectory of the team.

 

[macadocious]

Also, you cant just give DC a one year HC contract. That's effing insane.

 

[upinsmoke]

I'd keep Demar he's a steady hand down the stretch. Monk and or Zach must be moved for balance.

 

[chief bromden]

As the years go by and I grow more resentful for Vlade tipping the title to Horry and the Lakers, and then tipping Luka over to the Mavs and inadvertently the Lakers, I thought he was the worst, most loved King. Then I looked up Kings GMs and saw that the Kings had a better winning percentage under Vlade than Jerry. I've been marinating on that reality for a few days as I prepare for Vlade to be GM again.

 

[sactowndog]

And this is probably just me galaxybraining myself into a take but I would actually feel solid about Vlade being back in BB ops if Monte was still running player evaluation/draft ops. How many times did we see Vlade inexplicably flip absolute garbage into first round picks (A clearly phoning it in Belinelli somehow got us a first round pick or the time he turned a mid-lotto pick into a slightly lower pick and Bogi) only for Vlade the draft evaluator to turn those picks into no useful players of note (the Belli pick turned into Malachi Richardson/the time he turned the number 10 overall pick into Justin Jackson and Harry Giles). Vlade the gambling addict who time after time randomly pulled rabbits out of his hat in terms of draft asset acquisition can come back. Vlade the player evaluator can take a looooong walk down a short pier.

We actually agree in this instance. Once you get past the dumb first trade to clear cap space the rest of his trades were solid. The problem was his complete inability to draft players.

if Vlade does roster construction/trades and Monte does evaluation draft with some cap on drafting guards repeatedly the pairing might be an okay pair.

 

[SLAB]

No, guys. Under no situation is Vlade back in the front office remotely good no matter how much mental
gymnastics you do.

 

[gunks]

People trying to sell themselves on Vlade is some "person trying to justify staying in an abusive relationship" level rationalizing

 

[Jdbraver137]

People trying to sell themselves on Vlade is some "person trying to justify staying in an abusive relationship" level rationalizing

If he comes back this is definetly basketball hell.

 

[TaxMan]

No, Vlade's issue(s) was that he was just outright dumb. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. No other way to carve it. No other way to twist it. The dude was terrible.

Not drafting Luka and drafting Papa G were/are not considered to be "development issues", I'm sorry, but that's not gonna fly. Not with me at least. Dude was an idiot, and bringing him back will set this franchise back even more. I ain't for that.

Dumb and living in year 2000 with respect to player assessment. Too big of a focus on traditional bigs and old school positional basketball. It was clear as day to most that Luka was tailor made for the current NBA. Probably true that Bagely is a bust in any era he was drafted but he clearly wasn’t going to make it in todays NBA unless he had a significant development curve his first few years.

 

[TaxMan]

Not that I think he would come here, but Taylor Jenkins just got canned by Memphis. Very weird firing but seems like a similar issue as Mike Brown…butting heads with players and tuning him out.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Dumb and living in year 2000 with respect to player assessment. Too big of a focus on traditional bigs and old school positional basketball. It was clear as day to most that Luka was tailor made for the current NBA. Probably true that Bagely is a bust in any era he was drafted but he clearly wasn’t going to make it in todays NBA unless he had a significant development curve his first few years.

People thought Bagley would be a 20/10 guy stop it and nobody thought Luka would be this good all star yes but both were seen as all stars

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

People thought Bagley would be a 20/10 guy stop it and nobody thought Luka would be this good all star yes but both were seen as all stars

Huh? Dude was, quite literally, talked about as being the next big generational talent.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Huh? Dude was, quite literally, talked about as being the next big generational talent.

Phoenix took Ayton and Atlanta traded him for young how could three teams pass if he was looked at as generational? still can’t believe I woke up at 3 am from may on to watch him only for us to take Bagley

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

Phoenix took Ayton and Atlanta traded him for young how could three teams pass if he was looked at as generational? still can’t believe I woke up at 3 am from may on to watch him only for us to take Bagley

Because there were also those who, just like Vlade, did not see him as being a generational talent. But, for sure, I remember him being generally talked about as a generational talent that none of the top teams should pass up on come draft day. At worst, he should've gone 2nd or 3rd.

 

[SacTownKid]

Also, you cant just give DC a one year HC contract. That's effing insane.

DC isn't going to command top dollar. In a worst case the team rebuilds, he's a perfect option either way. Going out and expecting a name high dollar coach to make sense of this hasn't worked before, probably wouldn't work now.

 

[sactowndog]

People trying to sell themselves on Vlade is some "person trying to justify staying in an abusive relationship" level rationalizing

I would think by now you would know I am not in the rainbows all is good crowd.

 

[sactowndog]

Huh? Dude was, quite literally, talked about as being the next big generational talent.

next generational offensive challenge. It’s not clear yet he can win a Championship with his defense.

 

[gunks]

I would think by now you would know I am not in the rainbows all is good crowd.

Haha yeah, you've been anti-Monte since he got here!

I wasn't singling you out though, there's been more and more Vlade pt 2 buzz across the web, and I'm shocked that anyone* would even consider being open to it.




*Anyone but Vivek, who is to owners what Vlade is to GMs (incompetent moron)

 

[Jdbraver137]

Vivek leads the league in shortest Coach and GM tenure

 

[fansinceday1]

Personally, if people really want to try to reason away a Vlade return so be it. To each their own. I will never accept vlade back. Dude single-handedly killed my fandom. And Luka, he was thought of as a generational player years before the draft. Phoenix never waivered from ayton. There was never a question who they were gonna take. If you look at the 5 picks taken,

1. Ayton
2. BAGLEY
3. Doncic
4. Jaren jackson
5. Trae Young

That is a friggin EMBARRASSMENT. Just look at that top 5 and the kings (vlade) found a way to end up with the one total bust. It’s a 100% Whif that looks worse today than it did then. Sorry man, Vlade sucks. I wish he wasn’t around the team right now because it just shows how horrible this franchise is.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Personally, if people really want to try to reason away a Vlade return so be it. To each their own. I will never accept vlade back. Dude single-handedly killed my fandom. And Luka, he was thought of as a generational player years before the draft. Phoenix never waivered from ayton. There was never a question who they were gonna take. If you look at the 5 picks taken,

1. Ayton
2. BAGLEY
3. Doncic
4. Jaren jackson
5. Trae Young

That is a friggin EMBARRASSMENT. Just look at that top 5 and the kings (vlade) found a way to end up with the one total bust. It’s a 100% Whif that looks worse today than it did then. Sorry man, Vlade sucks. I wish he wasn’t around the team right now because it just shows how horrible this franchise is.

Yeah, it was one of the very worst picks in NBA history. Not a good look to have that guy still around in some advisory role, let alone elevate him again to something more

 

[sactowndog]

Haha yeah, you've been anti-Monte since he got here!

I wasn't singling you out though, there's been more and more Vlade pt 2 buzz across the web, and I'm shocked that anyone* would even consider being open to it.




*Anyone but Vivek, who is to owners what Vlade is to GMs (incompetent moron)

Sure and I was anti Vlade early also. But for opposite reasons.

Vlade’s primary failure was a blindfolded monkey throwing darts could draft more effectively than Vlade

Monte has a different problem in he can’t structure a roster or make a good trade.

individually they are both awful. But as a pair they do cover each others weaknesses.

 

[gunks]

Sure and I was anti Vlade early also. But for opposite reasons.

Vlade’s primary failure was a blindfolded monkey throwing darts could draft more effectively than Vlade

Monte has a different problem in he can’t structure a roster or make a good trade.

individually they are both awful. But as a pair they do cover each others weaknesses.

I've thrown some likes your way because you do have some valid criticisms of Monte.

But what weaknesses would be covered by Vlade of all people?!

The only decent trade I can think of was the one that landed us HB. As you mentioned his drafting was generationally abysmal, the roster construction always had the feel of rearranging deck chairs on the titanic, and as I recall he didn't handle any of the contract/cap stuff, and his big coaching hire was "Puke" Walton..

 

[iowamcnabb]

Sean said that if he had to put money on it, he would guess Monte will be retained as GM and someone else will come in and be given an RC Buford level job aka president of basketball operations. Seemed like it was mostly speculation with a hit of insider info.

 

[sactowndog]

I've thrown some likes your way because you do have some valid criticisms of Monte.

But what weaknesses would be covered by Vlade of all people?!

The only decent trade I can think of was the one that landed us HB. As you mentioned his drafting was generationally abysmal, the roster construction always had the feel of rearranging deck chairs on the titanic, and as I recall he didn't handle any of the contract/cap stuff, and his big coaching hire was "Puke" Walton..

I liked many of Vlade’s trades.

10 for 15 and 21 in that draft was a great trade if he could even draft a little bit

getting a first for Bellini

getting 2nds for numerous scrubs

 

[Tetsujin]

I liked many of Vlade’s trades.

10 for 15 and 21 in that draft was a great trade if he could even draft a little bit

getting a first for Bellini

getting 2nds for numerous scrubs

Right. Vlade’s ability to somehow get stuff in return for the terrible free agents he would constantly bring in every summer was probably his one good trait.

And the sheer amount of really good players Vlade passed on to take Justin Jackson is baffling (not gonna blame him for taking the upside swing on HG because the kid probably would have been good if only his knees were meant to play basketball.

 

[sactowndog]

Right. Vlade’s ability to somehow get stuff in return for the terrible free agents he would constantly bring in every summer was probably his one good trait.

And the sheer amount of really good players Vlade passed on to take Justin Jackson is baffling (not gonna blame him for taking the upside swing on HG because the kid probably would have been good if only his knees were meant to play basketball.

really just
Donovan Mitchell. ( you had just taken Fox)
Bam Adabayo

after Fox that draft strength was the high end role players in the mid round. His trade was perfect once Markannen was gone. The execution sucked!

He passed on a bunch taking HG also.
OG Anonoby
Josh Hart
Jarret Allen
Kyle Kuzma
Derrick White

 

[gunks]

I liked many of Vlade’s trades.

10 for 15 and 21 in that draft was a great trade if he could even draft a little bit

getting a first for Bellini

getting 2nds for numerous scrubs

It's such a monkeys paw thing, because you're right, Vlade's ability to flip players for picks was pretty solid, but the reason I forgot about all these trades is due to the fact that when it comes to the draft there's nobody in the world I'd have less confidence in than Vlade.