Wes Wilcox leaving for University of Utah job

[sactowndog]

Vlade back in any way with this franchise would be a permanent sign off with me. Done. Nada. It would be a hard out for me.

I would actually be okay with Vlade doing trade negotiations and Monte drafting with some constraints like you have to draft a wing.

Minus the Philly trade, Vlade’s trades were pretty good. Vlade’s problem was a blind monkey could draft better throwing random darts at a board. Whereas Monte’s trades and roster construction are abysmal.

 

[coolhandluke]

But at least Vlade and Doug would be on the same page!

The page reads "The End."

 

[Jdbraver137]

The best way to win in this league, especially for small markets is to draft a superstar and build around him with other young players. The whole salary cap rules are built around that. Yet, Vivek continues to patch holes to be a middle of the pack team. Or lower middle or high lottery team. Sure it helps you con season ticket holders into having hope, but really it’s just prolonging mediocrity. I actually feel for Vlade. His goodwill with the city took a hit because Vivek set a guy that shouldn’t have been there into a GM roll. Christie is being set up now. It’s sad.

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

The page reads "The End."

Haha!

 

[The_Jamal]

If Monte gets canned my bet is on Vlade getting the "interim" tag. He was at too many games lately. Right next to Vivek. Maybe he'll get a chance to redeem himself.

I'd be out. Like truly, just pull a Bricklayer and be done

 

[TaxMan]

I'd be out. Like truly, just pull a Bricklayer and be done

I’m right there with you. Give me a competent front office with a solid rebuild plan and young players to cheer for….i can still stick around for that. But if we are in dysfunctional land being just good enough with Sabonis/Lavine/Deebo to not be terrible, I don’t think I can stick around much longer. I need to have some form of long term vision and hope to cheer for. If not, I’ll finally be jumping ship when the Sonics come back to Seattle in a few years.

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

Vlade back in any way with this franchise would be a permanent sign off with me. Done. Nada. It would be a hard out for me.

I'd be out. Like truly, just pull a Bricklayer and be done

I don't think I'd ever be able to be permanently done with the Kings. I'm way too invested (emotionally) at this point to take it that far. I'd definitely be done with the Kings, though, from the standpoint of having any faith in sustained long-term success with Vlade being back with this franchise in any capacity, especially in a position that has a major impact on how the team is structured and how it functions.

 

[chief bromden]

He takes this job because he knows the Kings FO is getting wiped after the season, right? If Monte is still around after the season, I'd be truly surprised. Seems like behind the scenes stuff has been percolating since last summer.

I'm fully expecting Christie, or some other coach, will be hired before a GM gets hired since it's happened a couple times before (Malone, Brown).

Speaking of which, the coaching circle is weird AF right now. The two guys that sit behind Christie, Riccardo Fois and Jim Moran seem to have the biggest voices. Triano looks completely checked out. Christie writes stuff on his whiteboard before they break the huddle but I never really see anything new happen on the floor. Then he has everyone put their hand in for a team mantra at every single timeout. Most teams tank by signing 10-day contract dudes and playing their bench fodder while they sit the good guys. Looks like Vivek got creative and dismantled the coaching staff for the stealth tank to nowhere and to make his whole team want out of Sacramento. Impressive.

 

[fansinceday1]

I don't think I'd ever be able to be permanently done with the Kings. I'm way too invested (emotionally) at this point to take it that far. I'd definitely be done with the Kings, though, from the standpoint of having any faith in sustained long-term success with Vlade being back with this franchise in any capacity, especially in a position that has a major impact on how the team is structured and how it functions.

I use to be like you. It took 30 years and vlade screwing up what should have been the most no brainer draft in nba history to stomp out my fandom. Today, it’s not completly gone but I’m not emotionally invested anymore. Vlade comes back in any form and I will definitely go bricklayer.

 

[coolhandluke]

If Monte gets canned my bet is on Vlade getting the "interim" tag. He was at too many games lately. Right next to Vivek. Maybe he'll get a chance to redeem himself.

Let me show you how to kill a franchise.

 

[Caccia]

I disagree with the basic premises of this thread. In the first place, I hate tanking. It goes against everything that sports are supposed to teach and represent. In the second place, this franchise wandered in the wilderness for sixteen years. You have to first reach a level of respectablity, and then progress to a level of excellence.

Going backwards from the respectability the Kings have achieved in the past three years is counter-productive. You undermine the culture of achievement and accountability that the team has fought so hard to reach. You discourage the players. You slap the coaches in the face. You turn the fans off so they never want to watch another game.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Vlade back in any way with this franchise would be a permanent sign off with me. Done. Nada. It would be a hard out for me.

He's already been back in some form. At times looking like Ranadive's right hand man, such as when they traveled and sat together at the last Clippers game. At a minimum, his thoughts and opinions are still being considered by the owner

 

[TaxMan]

I disagree with the basic premises of this thread. In the first place, I hate tanking. It goes against everything that sports are supposed to teach and represent. In the second place, this franchise wandered in the wilderness for sixteen years. You have to first reach a level of respectablity, and then progress to a level of excellence.

Going backwards from the respectability the Kings have achieved in the past three years is counter-productive. You undermine the culture of achievement and accountability that the team has fought so hard to reach. You discourage the players. You slap the coaches in the face. You turn the fans off so they never want to watch another game.

Unfortunately, at least in my mind we've already peaked two years ago. That's the problem. I'm not looking for wandering in the wilderness for another 16 years, but having a clear strategy as an organization to reset and build back up. If the answer is that Vivek will never go for that, then I'm not sure I'm willing to watch us be a fringe playin team for the next couple years until we are forced to bottom out by attrition.

 

[fansinceday1]

Unfortunately, at least in my mind we've already peaked two years ago. That's the problem. I'm not looking for wandering in the wilderness for another 16 years, but having a clear strategy as an organization to reset and build back up. If the answer is that Vivek will never go for that, then I'm not sure I'm willing to watch us be a fringe playin team for the next couple years until we are forced to bottom out by attrition.

Couldn’t agree more.
This team isn’t good enough to outright make the playoffs and we aren’t bad enough to get a good lottery pick.
The kings broke a 16 year drought of not making the playoffs and now they have fallen back into that routine that got us that 16 year drought in the first place.
As someone who’s Not as invested in this franchise as I once was, it’s gonna be so interesting to see how long this continues and how much this fanbase will tolerate before they full on rebel. I saw it once with the Niners. I was a season ticket holder right before harbaugh was hired and the fanbase reached their limit with the Yorks. They stopped going to the games and what fans were still there, they made their displeasure known. And fans actually paid to have planes fly over the stadium towing signs saying SELL THE TEAM!! Those made it on national tv which was very embarassing to the Yorks. Knowing how much the Yorks, especially Jed want to be loved, I know it compelled the FO to straighten up.

How much will kings fans tolerate? These next 5 years will be interesting indeed.

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

I use to be like you. It took 30 years and vlade screwing up what should have been the most no brainer draft in nba history to stomp out my fandom. Today, it’s not completly gone but I’m not emotionally invested anymore. Vlade comes back in any form and I will definitely go bricklayer.

I can both understand and respect this.

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

Unfortunately, at least in my mind we've already peaked two years ago. That's the problem. I'm not looking for wandering in the wilderness for another 16 years, but having a clear strategy as an organization to reset and build back up. If the answer is that Vivek will never go for that, then I'm not sure I'm willing to watch us be a fringe playin team for the next couple years until we are forced to bottom out by attrition.

Couldn’t agree more.
This team isn’t good enough to outright make the playoffs and we aren’t bad enough to get a good lottery pick.
The kings broke a 16 year drought of not making the playoffs and now they have fallen back into that routine that got us that 16 year drought in the first place.
As someone who’s Not as invested in this franchise as I once was, it’s gonna be so interesting to see how long this continues and how much this fanbase will tolerate before they full on rebel. I saw it once with the Niners. I was a season ticket holder right before harbaugh was hired and the fanbase reached their limit with the Yorks. They stopped going to the games and what fans were still there, they made their displeasure known. And fans actually paid to have planes fly over the stadium towing signs saying SELL THE TEAM!! Those made it on national tv which was very embarassing to the Yorks. Knowing how much the Yorks, especially Jed want to be loved, I know it compelled the FO to straighten up.

How much will kings fans tolerate? These next 5 years will be interesting indeed.

I do honestly believe that, if committed to a full-blown rebuild, any competent GM & Head Coach duo that Vivek brings in will be able to work towards turning this ship around and steering us back to respectability.

 

[Elektrik]

notice, one by one, staff from this organization are no longer wanting to work for Vivek. My speculation of course.

It’s been the writing on the wall for years.

 

[Elektrik]

If Monte gets canned my bet is on Vlade getting the "interim" tag. He was at too many games lately. Right next to Vivek. Maybe he'll get a chance to redeem himself.

I love Vlade the person and Vlade the player but please…..Not a fan of Vlade the GM.

 

[SacTownKid]

He's already been back in some form. At times looking like Ranadive's right hand man, such as when they traveled and sat together at the last Clippers game. At a minimum, his thoughts and opinions are still being considered by the owner

That's the thing, and it would be hard to believe that Vlade isn't somehow dialed in on the behind the scenes stuff from multiple angles. Vlade might just be hanging out with his bud who knows. If he came back it wouldn't probably be as a GM per se but probably some type of advisor. Like when Dumars came aboard. Now he'll get to pull the rug out from someone else haha.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

That's the thing, and it would be hard to believe that Vlade isn't somehow dialed in on the behind the scenes stuff from multiple angles. Vlade might just be hanging out with his bud who knows. If he came back it wouldn't probably be as a GM per se but probably some type of advisor. Like when Dumars came aboard. Now he'll get to pull the rug out from someone else haha.

Wouldn't surprise me at all, if Vlade was the one that convinced Ranadive to push for the Lavine trade

 

[SacTownKid]

Wouldn't surprise me at all, if Vlade was the one that convinced Ranadive to push for the Lavine trade

Yeah, but wasn't the talk that Vivek was a huge LaVine fan? He fits the profile. In the end, getting LaVine back for Fox in that scenario was a score considering the circumstances. That's the least of anyones worries at this point.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Yeah, but wasn't the talk that Vivek was a huge LaVine fan? He fits the profile. In the end, getting LaVine back for Fox in that scenario was a score considering the circumstances. That's the least of anyones worries at this point.

I'm not sure that having what is considered by many to be the most negative huge contract in the league, is the least of anyone's worries.

 

[Caccia]

Wes Wilcox is already gone...he could not even wait until the season was over.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nb...niversity-utah-gm-role/1837802/?partner=yahoo

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Wouldn't surprise me at all, if Vlade was the one that convinced Ranadive to push for the Lavine trade

Ya it’s vlade’s fault not the dude collecting 6’3 guards and cash considerations

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Wes Wilcox is already gone...he could not even wait until the season was over.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nb...niversity-utah-gm-role/1837802/?partner=yahoo

Considering that the NCAA has just hit Crazy Portal Season in college basketball and that there's not really a whole lot for an NBA front office to do right now, this really isn't all that surprising or upsetting to me and it probably doesn't signal anything.

 

[luckytkp]

He left less than 2 months after trading Fox away.

 

[fansinceday1]

According to Sam Amick this morning on the Carmichael Dave show assistant GM’s leaving almost never amount to a big deal and they never leave a statement of any kind. Well, Wes did, and Sam said he named everyone that Sam did in his article a couple weeks ago. This franchise is really screwed up man. Seriously, for this old timer, it has a dick motta era feel to it. Or maybe Joe axelson, when the kings were really bad, both on the court AND in the front office.

 

[iowamcnabb]

According to Sam Amick this morning on the Carmichael Dave show assistant GM’s leaving almost never amount to a big deal and they never leave a statement of any kind. Well, Wes did, and Sam said he named everyone that Sam did in his article a couple weeks ago. This franchise is really screwed up man. Seriously, for this old timer, it has a dick motta era feel to it. Or maybe Joe axelson, when the kings were really bad, both on the court AND in the front office.

he also said that they should have given Wes a different title. He had way more responsibility than a normal assistant. Something more like President of basketball operations (Monte) GM (Wes). He was a prominent figure with the team from the jump, nothing wrong with a farewell message.

 

[fansinceday1]

“nothing wrong with a farewell message”

says you.
im gonna go with Sam Amicks opinion. Thanks.

im also gonna go with Jerry Reynolds’s who says these transactions, a front office guy leaving during the season, is just not the norm.

 

[TaxMan]

Listening to a replay of Amick now... I thought people were joking about Vlade coming back. Are we actually serious here?