Welcome home Ryan Anderson - maybe, likely?

[bajaden]

I was listening to an interview with Jerry CoAngelo this afternoon, and I agree with most of what he had to say. Actually he echoed what I've said, that the league changed because of rule changes. And the rule changes were intended to increase scoring, and get teams to play faster. It worked, and as a result, if you look at the teams in the playoffs, all of them are good three point shooting teams. The Kings weren't! So besides defense, we need to acquire good three point shooters. Anderson fits that description.

Whether we like it or not, the age of the give the ball to the big man and let him pound the ball inside to score is over. Having said that, I don't think that description fits Cousins. Cousins is unique! He can pound the ball, but he can also step outside and shoot the ball. He can put the ball on the floor and take his man off the dribble. In fact, Cousins is the prototype of what the new center is going to look like. Things have changed, and if we don't change with them, we'll be sitting around sharing memories of the old days while watching other teams in the playoffs.

When the automobile came around, the buggy whip factory took a hit, but no sweat, they knew that the auto craze wouldn't last, so they kept making those buggy whips. For the last few seasons, we've been making buggy whips.

 

[ockingsfan]

Koufos, if he's not traded, would be the emergency backup. Personally, I think he should be traded. Maybe use him to move up on draft day. Anyway, I'm on board with Anderson.

Do you think there is any chance the Pelicans would take a Ben McClemore and Kosta Koufos (or Marco Bellini) for Ryan Anderson sign and trade?

 

[andjel]

I do not see urgent need for Anderson. We have Guy as a stretch 4 Anderson junior, and I would feel much more comfortable with Cuz, KK, WCS and Guy as a more balanced versatile front court rotation.
Actually, SF-C position covered with Cuz/WCS/KK/Guy/Casspi is quite good in my book.

With Anderson, there is no space for KK in rotation since none of Cuz/KK/WCS/Anderson can play SF.
That either leaves wasted money on KK as a 4th big man, or if KK is let go, not having a backup center since Anderson cannot play center, and WCS is too light and not a good rebounder yet.

I would rather keep Guy and focus on the real rotation trouble which is at the guard positions (lack of SG and Rondo/Darren decision).
Once SG is resolved, we can play tweaks on the other positions if opportunity occurs.

 

[206Fan]

The Kings will have around 20m in cap space. With the new cap rising, I don't see Anderson taking less than 10m. Let's say he takes 10m. Ok, we have 10m to spend on a starting SG/SF. I'm not sure that 10M would be enough.

Anderson is an extremely nice player to have off the bench. However, he's more a luxury player at this point. We are already set at PF with Cousins/WCS/Kofus. We have a huge hole at PG and SG.

I'd love him on this team, but we just can't afford to use cap space on him imo. His defense has also been terrible. Absolutely terrible. It's terrrrrrible. Did I mention that it's terrible? Because it is.

The entire 2nd unit would get abused on defense.. Belinelli/Ryno........... I can't imagine that Joerger would be interested in Ryno.

 

[The Hammer]

The Warriors are not one of the best teams the NBA has ever seen. That's straight hyperbole. They are a super team, no doubt. But not one of the best.

Without getting too far off subject, you know they just posted the best regular season record of all time, right? "One of the best" is exactly how you describe ANY team that does that. And I'm not even a warriors fan. I actually want them to lose.

90s Bulls, 80s Lakers, 60 Celtics, and with time, perhaps this era Warriors. But this season alone put them among the greats, just for the sheer record alone.

 

[twslam07]

I'd give Anderson $12 mil but I think he's going to have much better offers out there so I'd rather is not overpay. Statistically, Casspi and our team was very good when he was playing PF.

Considering we have Gay, Casspi will need to get minutes at PF if you want to give him his usual 24-26 mpg. If Gay is playing 34 min at SF, that means Casspi is getting 14 min at SF and 10-12 min at PF. If we want Cauley-Stein getting 26-28 mpg, he could get 12 of those minutes at backup C with Cousins logging 36 mpg at C. That leaves Cauley-Stein with 14-16 mpg at PF.

So if I did the math correctly, we have 24-28 PF minutes accounted for already. That leaves 20-24 minutes for someone else. Right now, that player is Koufos (with Cousins & Cauley-Stein shifting more into the PF minutes). Adding Anderson to this team is essentially going to create a logjam, lockup too much money in our bigs, and it won't give Cauley-Stein the opportunity to protect the rim.

We should either sign a guy like Nicholson to fill those 20 minutes. I don't want to be paying $16 mil to a guy when we only have 20ish minutes to give him.

Or I'd like us to try and trade for a guy like Millsap who can not only stretch the floor, but score, facilitate, defend, etc.

 

[KingMilz]

If for the same price as Ryan Anderson the team could sign Teletovic and Courtney Lee that'd be pretty nice. Teletovic is a great shooter and his passing is a plus.

The biggest thing that RA gives over MT is that if teams try to guard him with a smaller wing he can take them into the post and score easily. That's actually a very important quality for a stretch four. That and he's bigger and three years younger.

MT can post up smaller players easily I watched a number of the Suns games (really like Book) and he would every game back down smaller guys the other two factors in that RA is bigger and younger I agree. Anderson is clearly a better player I'm not arguing that but depending on what each gets paid MT might be worth it more to us.

 

[kingsboi]

I was listening to an interview with Jerry CoAngelo this afternoon, and I agree with most of what he had to say. Actually he echoed what I've said, that the league changed because of rule changes. And the rule changes were intended to increase scoring, and get teams to play faster. It worked, and as a result, if you look at the teams in the playoffs, all of them are good three point shooting teams. The Kings weren't! So besides defense, we need to acquire good three point shooters. Anderson fits that description.

Whether we like it or not, the age of the give the ball to the big man and let him pound the ball inside to score is over. Having said that, I don't think that description fits Cousins. Cousins is unique! He can pound the ball, but he can also step outside and shoot the ball. He can put the ball on the floor and take his man off the dribble. In fact, Cousins is the prototype of what the new center is going to look like. Things have changed, and if we don't change with them, we'll be sitting around sharing memories of the old days while watching other teams in the playoffs.

When the automobile came around, the buggy whip factory took a hit, but no sweat, they knew that the auto craze wouldn't last, so they kept making those buggy whips. For the last few seasons, we've been making buggy whips.

Sure, it's over. But for how long?

 

[funkykingston]

MT can post up smaller players easily I watched a number of the Suns games (really like Book) and he would every game back down smaller guys the other two factors in that RA is bigger and younger I agree. Anderson is clearly a better player I'm not arguing that but depending on what each gets paid MT might be worth it more to us.

I wasn't saying Teletovic can't score in the post (he's more skilled and experienced than most fans realize) but Anderson is better. But if Mirza comes cheaper to the extent that it leaves caproom to sign another main rotation player then you have to go that route.

Teletovic could be a better bargain.

For that matter I'm also seeing McLemore in a somewhat new light. He's inconsistent for sure but if he were a free agent what would his price tag be? He can at least be a solid backup SG.

 

[ParniValjak]

On Teletović, I do believe that Vlade and Mirza know each other and the that relationship might give us a shot if in fact we do have any interest.

 

[Spike]

Sure, it's over. But for how long?

Until next year.

 

[Telemachus]

I was listening to an interview with Jerry CoAngelo this afternoon, and I agree with most of what he had to say. Actually he echoed what I've said, that the league changed because of rule changes. And the rule changes were intended to increase scoring, and get teams to play faster. It worked, and as a result, if you look at the teams in the playoffs, all of them are good three point shooting teams. The Kings weren't! So besides defense, we need to acquire good three point shooters. Anderson fits that description.

Whether we like it or not, the age of the give the ball to the big man and let him pound the ball inside to score is over. Having said that, I don't think that description fits Cousins. Cousins is unique! He can pound the ball, but he can also step outside and shoot the ball. He can put the ball on the floor and take his man off the dribble. In fact, Cousins is the prototype of what the new center is going to look like. Things have changed, and if we don't change with them, we'll be sitting around sharing memories of the old days while watching other teams in the playoffs.

When the automobile came around, the buggy whip factory took a hit, but no sweat, they knew that the auto craze wouldn't last, so they kept making those buggy whips. For the last few seasons, we've been making buggy whips.

Do you miss the days of the horse and wagon?

 

[bajaden]

The Kings will have around 20m in cap space. With the new cap rising, I don't see Anderson taking less than 10m. Let's say he takes 10m. Ok, we have 10m to spend on a starting SG/SF. I'm not sure that 10M would be enough.

Anderson is an extremely nice player to have off the bench. However, he's more a luxury player at this point. We are already set at PF with Cousins/WCS/Kofus. We have a huge hole at PG and SG.

I'd love him on this team, but we just can't afford to use cap space on him imo. His defense has also been terrible. Absolutely terrible. It's terrrrrrible. Did I mention that it's terrible? Because it is.

The entire 2nd unit would get abused on defense.. Belinelli/Ryno........... I can't imagine that Joerger would be interested in Ryno.

If your asking me to choose between Koufos and Anderson, I'm sorry, I'm taking Anderson. With Anderson, Koufos becomes either an emergency backup, or expendable. We need three point shooting, and Anderson is a proven commodity, plus, like Cousins, he wants to be here. Also, if you think we can't acquire a good SG for 10 mil your crazy. Personally, I like Kent Bazemore and I have little doubt that he can be acquired for less than 10 mil. If you add Anderson and start Collison and we keep Gay, then all you need at SG is a player like Bazemore. Someone that can hit the open three, and play tough defense. Maybe we should wait and see who we get in the draft first.

 

[bajaden]

Do you miss the days of the horse and wagon?

No, but I have a lot of buggy whip stock I'll sell you!

 

[twslam07]

If your asking me to choose between Koufos and Anderson, I'm sorry, I'm taking Anderson. With Anderson, Koufos becomes either an emergency backup, or expendable. We need three point shooting, and Anderson is a proven commodity, plus, like Cousins, he wants to be here. Also, if you think we can't acquire a good SG for 10 mil your crazy. Personally, I like Kent Bazemore and I have little doubt that he can be acquired for less than 10 mil. If you add Anderson and start Collison and we keep Gay, then all you need at SG is a player like Bazemore. Someone that can hit the open three, and play tough defense. Maybe we should wait and see who we get in the draft first.

I'm willing to bet big money he makes well over $10mil by the end of the offseason.

This is about what I'm predicting for 4 of the better SG FAs this offseason...
Bazemore = $15-17 mil
Fournier = $15-17 mil
Crabbe = $14-16 mil
Lee = $12-14 mil

 

[206Fan]

I'm willing to bet big money he makes well over $10mil by the end of the offseason.

This is about what I'm predicting for 4 of the better SG FAs this offseason...
Bazemore = $15-17 mil
Fournier = $15-17 mil
Crabbe = $14-16 mil
Lee = $12-14 mil

I agree with almost all of your numbers. Wouldn't surprise me if Crabbe did take a small paycut to stay with the Blazers. I could see Lee getting a bit less because he's older now.

 

[Henkel]

With potentially over a billion dollars in collective cap space, which averages out to around 30 million per team, I think twslam07 has the right idea. 15 million per for a average starter is probably where things are headed this summer.

 

[Jojimbo]

I'm willing to bet big money he makes well over $10mil by the end of the offseason.

This is about what I'm predicting for 4 of the better SG FAs this offseason...
Bazemore = $15-17 mil
Fournier = $15-17 mil
Crabbe = $14-16 mil
Lee = $12-14 mil

I think those predictions are spot on, I would really like to see us outbid Orlando for Fournier. Realistically though, I think Lee follows Joerger and we sign him to a reasonable deal with a player option for a 3rd or 4th year.

 

[ParniValjak]

There is one player I completely forgot was the FA this summer and that is Batum. IMHO, he is an ideal FA for this team. He can play both SG and SF, very good defender, can handle the ball and is a very good passer.

Get him and play him at SG with some minutes at SF and we are instantly a whole lot better as a team.

He also gives us some flexibility if we do decide to move Gay as Batum can slide over to the SF or stay at SG.

 

[LPKingsFan]

There is one player I completely forgot was the FA this summer and that is Batum. IMHO, he is an ideal FA for this team. He can play both SG and SF, very good defender, can handle the ball and is a very good passer.

Get him and play him at SG with some minutes at SF and we are instantly a whole lot better as a team.

He also gives us some flexibility if we do decide to move Gay as Batum can slide over to the SF or stay at SG.

I agree, he'd be perfect. But it sounds like he's interested in returning to Charlotte, and we'd have to significantly overpay.

 

[Gilles]

I'm willing to bet big money he makes well over $10mil by the end of the offseason.

This is about what I'm predicting for 4 of the better SG FAs this offseason...
Bazemore = $15-17 mil
Fournier = $15-17 mil
Crabbe = $14-16 mil
Lee = $12-14 mil

First three probably will, but Lee will start training camp at the age of 31. Unless he catches someone desperate he's likely getting $9-10 million per. Solomon Hill should be on that list though.

I agree, he'd be perfect. But it sounds like he's interested in returning to Charlotte, and we'd have to significantly overpay.

Everyone calling Batum on July, 1st is offering him 7-9 years max, which will be $25-26 million, so technically no one will be able overpay for Nic, since there will be a few teams with the same offer. Bigger problem is he loves Charlotte, in part because they gave him the role of de facto 1st option. He has never said it out loud like Harden during his restricted free agency, but he used "It's not like in Portland" a few times. In other words, he's not leaving North Carolina.

 

[bajaden]

I'm willing to bet big money he makes well over $10mil by the end of the offseason.

This is about what I'm predicting for 4 of the better SG FAs this offseason...
Bazemore = $15-17 mil
Fournier = $15-17 mil
Crabbe = $14-16 mil
Lee = $12-14 mil

Maybe I'm living in a dream world, but I just don't see a team paying Bazemore that much money. Your projecting that he's going to jump from 2 mil a year to at least 15 mil a year. I don't see teams offering that much. The cap is going up around 31 to 32 percent, so I would imagine that salaries will go up proportionally. Ryan Anderson made 8.5 mil last year. A 31 percent raise would bring him up to a little over 12 mil a year. In general, if teams are going to give players 50 to 70 percent raises, that capspace isn't going to last very long around the league. Teams with the most capspace are going to go after the star players. Lets see how much money is left after the smoke clears.

Hey, I could be wrong, but you have to remember, this isn't play money. The teams don't have a printing machine in the basement. It's easy for us to spend, but it's real money coming out of someone's pocket. I guess we'll see.

 

[ElRey]

I think those predictions are spot on, I would really like to see us outbid Orlando for Fournier. Realistically though, I think Lee follows Joerger and we sign him to a reasonable deal with a player option for a 3rd or 4th year.

A good two way player like Bazemore and Lee would be what our team needs. None of the listed guys are considered stars or even semi stars so I doubt they would command a ton of money. If we could land one of the two above then I would be happy .

 

[ElRey]

If your asking me to choose between Koufos and Anderson, I'm sorry, I'm taking Anderson. With Anderson, Koufos becomes either an emergency backup, or expendable. We need three point shooting, and Anderson is a proven commodity, plus, like Cousins, he wants to be here. Also, if you think we can't acquire a good SG for 10 mil your crazy. Personally, I like Kent Bazemore and I have little doubt that he can be acquired for less than 10 mil. If you add Anderson and start Collison and we keep Gay, then all you need at SG is a player like Bazemore. Someone that can hit the open three, and play tough defense. Maybe we should wait and see who we get in the draft first.

Yeah Koufos was made somewhat expendable with the play of WCS. I Think we should trade Koufos and use some of that money to sign Ryan Anderson in addition to a starting SG . Here would be our lineup

Collision , Curry, potential draft pick
Lee or Bazemore , Mclemore , Bellinelli
Gay, Casspi
WCS , Anderson , Moreland
Dmc, Jorneyman backup center

 

[bajaden]

Yeah Koufos was made somewhat expendable with the play of WCS. I Think we should trade Koufos and use some of that money to sign Ryan Anderson in addition to a starting SG . Here would be our lineup

Collision , Curry, potential draft pick
Lee or Bazemore , Mclemore , Bellinelli
Gay, Casspi
WCS , Anderson , Moreland
Dmc, Jorneyman backup center

I think it's wise to remember that it's not a given that Curry will be back. I hope he is, but until he signs on the dotted line, I'm not counting him as part of next years roster. Frankly, I'll be surprised if the Kings pick up Moreland's contract for next season, especially if they don't trade Koufos. Their more likely to try and bring back Acy at a reasonable price. I think the Kings are more likely to use Moreland's roster spot for a defensive SG or SF. Possibly a young player they can develop.

 

[Gilles]

Yeah Koufos was made somewhat expendable with the play of WCS. I Think we should trade Koufos and use some of that money to sign Ryan Anderson in addition to a starting SG . Here would be our lineup

Collision , Curry, potential draft pick
Lee or Bazemore , Mclemore , Bellinelli
Gay, Casspi
WCS , Anderson , Moreland
Dmc, Jorneyman backup center

Joerger managed to squeeze quite a few minutes with positive results out of MGasol/Koufos pairing, and that was with a team suffering from a lack of spacing. I would not be so quick to predict him imminent departure as seemingly everyone assumes. Getting a big with different skillset like Jerebko, Humphries or Teletovic might be a reasonable solution.

 

[Amit149]

Joerger managed to squeeze quite a few minutes with positive results out of MGasol/Koufos pairing, and that was with a team suffering from a lack of spacing. I would not be so quick to predict him imminent departure as seemingly everyone assumes. Getting a big with different skillset like Jerebko, Humphries or Teletovic might be a reasonable solution.

I don't think it's about wanting KK gone, but he is one of our only players with positive trade value and we don't really need him here.
Maybe Joerger can make Cousins-DMC work, but wouldn't be better of filling other positions?
I agree about getting a guy like Jerebko/Humphries/Teletovic but if we would do that between that player, DMC and WCS I don't think we need Kosta.

 

[Gilles]

Depth is important for a PO team, and while Boogie has no injury concerns, he misses a few games here and there due to his bruising playing style. Leaving the team with just WCS on such occasions is putting a lot of faith into Kings' soph.

 

[Amit149]

Depth is important for a PO team, and while Boogie has no injury concerns, he misses a few games here and there due to his bruising playing style. Leaving the team with just WCS on such occasions is putting a lot of faith into Kings' soph.

You can still sign a cheap backup center alongside them, but I don't think there is really a need to have a guy like Kosta just in case. we have far bigger problems in other positions than center where we have DMC and WCS.

 

[Gilles]

Cheap backup center is going to cost $5+ million this summer anyway, so you're saving only a few million, while replacing solid 27 y.o. center, that your new coach has some familiarity with already.