Welcome home Ryan Anderson - maybe, likely?

[bajaden]

I really don't feel like Anderson is a max guy. I don't think that just because the cap is going up that all of a sudden everybody is going to be getting max deals. Anderson is a guy who should be something like your fourth-best piece and is likely starting the decline phase of his career - I don't think there's the market pressure to max a guy like that out.

I agree about the max deal part. Not sure what he would go for, but I doubt it would be a max deal. However, he's only 27 years old, which is when most players are reaching their prime. Plus, in Andersons case, his main attribute is his ability to shoot the ball, and that can keep you in the league until you hair turns gray.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

People just live in the past, because they assume the past with glory days of the NBA or something strange.

Or perhaps some people only live in the moment and foolishly believe what's happening now is always bigger and better.

There are plenty of skilled big man in this league, that would have been dominant in the 90's.

This is the most uninformed statement I've seen in a long time.

You truly believe that would be enough to beat one of the best teams this league has ever seen?

The Warriors are not one of the best teams the NBA has ever seen. That's straight hyperbole. They are a super team, no doubt. But not one of the best.

 

[The_Jamal]

Or perhaps some people only live in the moment and foolishly believe what's happening now is always bigger and better.



This is the most uninformed statement I've seen in a long time.



The Warriors are not one of the best teams the NBA has ever seen. That's straight hyperbole. They are a super team, no doubt. But not one of the best.

Why not give credit where it's due? Warriors and spurs this season are putting up historically great numbers. They're as complete if teams as you can dream up

 

[KingsFanGER]

Or perhaps some people only live in the moment and foolishly believe what's happening now is always bigger and better.



This is the most uninformed statement I've seen in a long time.



The Warriors are not one of the best teams the NBA has ever seen. That's straight hyperbole. They are a super team, no doubt. But not one of the best.

Why even bother to exchange arguments if you think I'm that uninformed?
I mean that's not a statement that encourages me to go on with the debate.
You post your opinion, I reply by posting mine....your reaction: omg you are so uninformed.....while all you come up with is the usual glorification of the past and the typical enviousness, that doesn't allow people to give credit to the team, that is dominating the league right now.

The thing is, that noone can prove how big man today would do in the 90's or how the big man of the past would do today. There are no quoteable facts. So how excactly do you think I'm uninformed? Of course you can disagree with me , but why fall into the usual KingsFan.com trap and paint your opinion as superior?

 

[KingsFanGER]

Anderson was a good defender his first two years in the league, but then he was playing more like a traditional PF. It wasn't until they moved him away from the basket as a stretch four, and sometimes as a SF that his defense started to suffer. He was a pretty good defender at Cal, and was one of the best rebounders in the Pac 12. Anderson is a decent athlete, just not a freak or elite athlete. Look, I'm not going to blow smoke up you know where and tell you that Anderson is going to be a lock down defender, but by the same token, he's not as bad as you seem to think. Bring in a good coach with a good team defense scheme, and I don't think Anderson will be a liability.

I don't think everything as to be either/or. What Anderson brings outweighs whatever negatives he has. Granted, I would love to have a lock down defender somewhere in the starting lineup, and maybe that will be Willie, and/or whoever we end up with at SG. What I do know is that Anderson will make Cousins job a lot easier. We'll be a much better halfcourt team. Lets take it one step at a time and go from there.

But it's not about the past Bajaden. Anderson might have been a decent defender, but I believe he is only average right now.
Yes I never doubted, that he is a pretty good offensive player, but we seem to be a decent offensive team right now, while we are poor on the defensive end.
Of course team defense and coaching are big. So I would expect this team to become close to average on defense with the right coaching personell.
But I don't think close to average is enough. I like watching defense and I would prefer a Kings team, that has two or more players on its roster, that are top tier defenders.
And because those guys have value in todays league, I would be hesitant to throw big money at Ryno.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Why not give credit where it's due?

I said that they are a super team. How much more credit do you want? They aren't one of the greatest of all time. Not even close.

When the Carolina Panthers were 14-0, did you or anybody really believe they were one of the best teams because of their record and the fact that very few teams had ever started 14-0?

Warriors and spurs this season are putting up historically great numbers.

Good for them. It still doesn't make them an all-time great. The competition they are playing isn't all that great nor deep.

They're as complete if teams as you can dream up

Complete for this year. In case you haven't noticed, the Western Conference has taken a dive the past few years. This isn't several seasons ago when most the playoff teams won 50 games. There's a bunch of aging stars on their last legs or in decline. Dirk, Kobe, Duncan, Wade, just to name a few. The league isn't especially strong at the moment.

This Warriors team is a really good team that hit it's stride at the perfect time.
This Spurs team isn't as good as the one that lost then beat the Heat in 2013/14, despite the superior regular season record.

 

[The_Jamal]

But it's not about the past Bajaden. Anderson might have been a decent defender, but I believe he is only average right now.
Yes I never doubted, that he is a pretty good offensive player, but we seem to be a decent offensive team right now, while we are poor on the defensive end.
Of course team defense and coaching are big. So I would expect this team to become close to average on defense with the right coaching personell.
But I don't think close to average is enough. I like watching defense and I would prefer a Kings team, that has two or more players on its roster, that are top tier defenders.
And because those guys have value in todays league, I would be hesitant to throw big money at Ryno.

The top priority in the "Keep Boogie a King" plan is to make Cousins life easier when he's on the floor. Our offense was actually pretty solid this year, but it faltered completely in the last 8 minutes of basically every close game because our team is a bunch of mismatched parts thrown together.

The defense from our bigs rotation is fine. I've been pretty happy with what we've seen from Cuz, WCS, Koufos and Acy. Throwing Anderson into that mix instantly makes it one of the more well-balanced and flat out good rotations in all of basketball.

 

[The_Jamal]

I said that they are a super team. How much more credit do you want? They aren't one of the greatest of all time. Not even close.

When the Carolina Panthers were 14-0, did you or anybody really believe they were one of the best teams because of their record and the fact that very few teams had ever started 14-0?



Good for them. It still doesn't make them an all-time great. The competition they are playing isn't all that great nor deep.



Complete for this year. In case you haven't noticed, the Western Conference has taken a dive the past few years. This isn't several seasons ago when most the playoff teams won 50 games. There's a bunch of aging stars on their last legs or in decline. Dirk, Kobe, Duncan, Wade, just to name a few. The league isn't especially strong at the moment.

This Warriors team is a really good team that hit it's stride at the perfect time.
This Spurs team isn't as good as the one that lost then beat the Heat in 2013/14, despite the superior regular season record.

I'd like to debate you on why you think the old era is better, but you're not actually arguing anything. Just your own misguided beliefs that basketball was better back in the day and nothing I or anyone else can say will change it.

 

[KingsFanGER]

The top priority in the "Keep Boogie a King" plan is to make Cousins life easier when he's on the floor. Our offense was actually pretty solid this year, but it faltered completely in the last 8 minutes of basically every close game because our team is a bunch of mismatched parts thrown together.

The defense from our bigs rotation is fine. I've been pretty happy with what we've seen from Cuz, WCS, Koufos and Acy. Throwing Anderson into that mix instantly makes it one of the more well-balanced and flat out good rotations in all of basketball.

True. Our offense falters in close games and we are not a good half court team. Anderson would help with that.
But in comparison to our perimeter defense that looks like a minor issue.
Ik experienced people like Bajaden tell me, that our defense will improve just by adding a better coach and focusing on team defense and I respect that.
I just am tired of watching this team fail to reach its goals, because they can't defend. Therefore I would favour what I would think is the save way for improvement. Keep Boogie and our recent big rotation and add more perimeter defense.
I don't think our cap allows us to adress both - the bigs and our problems on the perimeter.

 

[bajaden]

But it's not about the past Bajaden. Anderson might have been a decent defender, but I believe he is only average right now.
Yes I never doubted, that he is a pretty good offensive player, but we seem to be a decent offensive team right now, while we are poor on the defensive end.
Of course team defense and coaching are big. So I would expect this team to become close to average on defense with the right coaching personell.
But I don't think close to average is enough. I like watching defense and I would prefer a Kings team, that has two or more players on its roster, that are top tier defenders.
And because those guys have value in todays league, I would be hesitant to throw big money at Ryno.

The point I was trying to make was that signing a player that's more of an offensive player doesn't mean that offense and defense are mutually exclusive. No one would have said that Vlade was a lock down defender, but within the team concept, he was fine. The Kings from that period were always at the top of the league in defense. I'm sure Doug Christie had a lot to do with that. Peja was a very underrated defender. Webber, contrary to what some believe, had difficulty keeping his man in front of him due to his poor lateral quickness, but no one noticed.

This is why I think who we hire as head coach is important. Where Anderson is concerned, I agree the past is the past, but when looking at a player, his track record counts, and how he's been used counts. How many people have complained all year about how Cousins has been used, or how were not playing Belinelli to his strengths. All those things matter, and you have to look at them to get a true evaluation. I'm always amazed at how many players the fans on this fourm decide aren't good enough to play for us, end up being good enough to play on a playoff, or championship team.

 

[bajaden]

True. Our offense falters in close games and we are not a good half court team. Anderson would help with that.
But in comparison to our perimeter defense that looks like a minor issue.
Ik experienced people like Bajaden tell me, that our defense will improve just by adding a better coach and focusing on team defense and I respect that.
I just am tired of watching this team fail to reach its goals, because they can't defend. Therefore I would favour what I would think is the save way for improvement. Keep Boogie and our recent big rotation and add more perimeter defense.
I don't think our cap allows us to adress both - the bigs and our problems on the perimeter.

I agree on both counts. Our perimeter defense needs improving, and we probably don't have enough capspace to sign Anderson, and acquire a top perimeter defender through freeagency as well. Which means we'll have to do it through a trade, which is possible. I believe that if we get lucky in the draft and are able to draft Hield, he will help our perimeter defense, but not right away. It takes every rookie time to adjust to the speed of the NBA. But he's a good defender at the college level, which is one of the reasons I like him more than Murray and Valentine, both of which are average to poor defenders in college. It's one of the reasons I like Dunn as the best PG. Not only is he very skilled for a PG, but he's an outstanding defender, and 6'4"to boot.

But it's all speculation at this point. I keep calling Vlade, but so far, I keep getting referred to the cafeteria.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

but you're not actually arguing anything.

We agree on that, because there's no argument to be had. A reasonable argument simply can't be made for today's basketball being on the same plane, let alone superior. The only ones with misguided beliefs are those that keep asserting that there is remotely a comparison while continuing to ignore all of the evidence that's been outlined ad nauseum. Next you'll probably tell me that the current US National team is better than the 1992 Dream Team because, well, they shoot and make more 3's. Good luck with that.

 

[bajaden]

We agree on that, because there's no argument to be had. A reasonable argument simply can't be made for today's basketball being on the same plane, let alone superior. The only ones with misguided beliefs are those that keep asserting that there is remotely a comparison while continuing to ignore all of the evidence that's been outlined ad nauseum. Next you'll probably tell me that the current US National team is better than the 1992 Dream Team because, well, they shoot and make more 3's. Good luck with that.

You and I are on the same page when it comes to comparing today's NBA to yesterdays. I think one of the problems is the one and done rule. Back then almost every player went to college for four years, so that when they came to the NBA, they were fundamentally sound, or as fundamentally sound as they were going to get. Today you have too many players like McLemore scattered around the NBA playing a more prominent role than they should. Not much you can do about it unless they change the rules, which isn't likely. At least changing it to four years. They might be able to get a two year rule through.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

You and I are on the same page when it comes to comparing today's NBA to yesterdays. I think one of the problems is the one and done rule. Back then almost every player went to college for four years, so that when they came to the NBA, they were fundamentally sound, or as fundamentally sound as they were going to get. Today you have too many players like McLemore scattered around the NBA playing a more prominent role than they should. Not much you can do about it unless they change the rules, which isn't likely. At least changing it to four years. They might be able to get a two year rule through.

The early entry rule is one of the issues. Another is AAU. We're at the point now where both have been strong factors for 20+ years. That's where the decline started. There are very few players/teams that understand how to or want to play as a team on both ends of the court. And the ones that do, even a little, are the ones contending every single year. If you go back far enough before the drastic affects of early entry and AAU, you find that a majority of the teams played as the Warriors and Spurs do now. Teams were simply more fundamentally sound, across the entire league, even if lacking talent. That made it harder to stand out and, consequently, break all-time records.

 

[KingMilz]

What about Teletovic instead he would make way less money and this year on a crap team broke the record for 3 pointers by a [player off the bench while averaging 11points on 39% from 3, he's a chucker but he does basically everything Anderson does.

 

[randymoss1881]

What about Teletovic instead he would make way less money and this year on a crap team broke the record for 3 pointers by a [player off the bench while averaging 11points on 39% from 3, he's a chucker but he does basically everything Anderson does.

Thus solidifies that done of you still think this is year 2 Anderson and not an improved one.

 

[Showtime]

I've been wanting him for a few years now. No need to pay Rondo when you have talented young PGs like DC and Curry that can be serviceable while at the same time finding an upgrade to the 2 and getting a stretch 4 like Ryan who can light up teams when they double DMC.

 

[KingMilz]

Thus solidifies that done of you still think this is year 2 Anderson and not an improved one.

? Not trying to be a smartass but I'm having trouble understanding what you were trying to say here.

 

[bajaden]

? Not trying to be a smartass but I'm having trouble understanding what you were trying to say here.

Yeah, I'm having the same problem. Almost like a riddle!

 

[andjel]

Yeah, I'm having the same problem. Almost like a riddle!

Let me give a crack at it.

D is next to S, and N is next to M.
Replace 'done' with 'some' and we have something that makes sense.

 

[bajaden]

Let me give a crack at it.

D is next to S, and N is next to M.
Replace 'done' with 'some' and we have something that makes sense.

By jove, I think you've got it. Well done sir! Now I can sleep tonight..

 

[ockingsfan]

Question regarding Ryan Anderson.

He is always listed as a FORWARD.

Can he play both the Small Forward and Power Forward?

Do you guys think he could possibly replace Rudy Gay as the Starting Small Forward, if we signed him and traded Rudy for a starting PG or Shooting Guard?

IF Ryan Anderson can start at Small Forward, it may be better for Kings to sign him and then trade Rudy for a PG (i.e. Jrue Holiday or Jeff Teague). The Kings would still need to sign a 3 and D shooting guard (either Courtney Lee, Aaron Afflalo or Gearld Henderson).

PF: WCS /Acy (Free Agent)
SF: Ryan Anderson / Casspi
C DMC / Koufos
SG: Courtney Lee/ McClemore/ Belilini
PG: Jrue Holiday/ Collison / Curry

 

[funkykingston]

Question regarding Ryan Anderson.

He is always listed as a FORWARD.

Can he play both the Small Forward and Power Forward?

Do you guys think he could possibly replace Rudy Gay as the Starting Small Forward,

No, not really. I know Monty Williams experimented with it in training camp back in 2014 but they seemingly scrapped it for the regular season.

Given how much New Orleans has struggled to fill their SF spot I'd think if Anderson was a viable option at all they'd have used him there.

 

[ockingsfan]

No, not really. I know Monty Williams experimented with it in training camp back in 2014 but they seemingly scrapped it for the regular season.

Given how much New Orleans has struggled to fill their SF spot I'd think if Anderson was a viable option at all they'd have used him there.

If Ryan Anderson can not play Small Forward, he would be a very expensive 6th man, if the Kings signed him.

Kings may want to use their money on a PG and 3 and D Shooting guard instead.

 

[kingsboi]

If Ryan Anderson can not play Small Forward, he would be a very expensive 6th man, if the Kings signed him.

Kings may want to use their money on a PG and 3 and D Shooting guard instead.

Hopefully one of these positions can be filled via the draft, leaving more money to balance the roster out

 

[Sac.1989]

The main questions here is does DJ see RA as a good fit ? He certainly was a lock when Karl was here it seemed but im not so sure with DJ who may very well be happy to build around DMC, Willie and KK

 

[ParniValjak]

The main questions here is does DJ see RA as a good fit ? He certainly was a lock when Karl was here it seemed but im not so sure with DJ who may very well be happy to build around DMC, Willie and KK

Coach Joerger also said shooting is at a premium. No doubt he would utilize him a lot.

 

[Sac.1989]

Coach Joerger also said shooting is at a premium. No doubt he would utilize him a lot.

as long as he starts WCS and Boogie thats fine by me. You've goota pay for your 6th man in this league and we'll need to do that to bring him in but as long as he adds significant value thats a non issue.

Jamal Crawford and Ryan Anderson would be a dam good impact punch off the bench ill say.

 

[bajaden]

I'm not sure I am on the Ryan Anderson train. He'd be a great pick-up, but I like DMC and Willie starting together and Ryno doesn't strike me as a guy wanting to come off the bench.

Actually Anderson has come off the bench quite a bit in his career. With Anderson, you could have a three man rotation of Cuz, Willie, and Anderson. The three would divide up 96 minutes between them. That's more than enough minutes for each of them. Koufos, if he's not traded, would be the emergency backup. Personally, I think he should be traded. Maybe use him to move up on draft day. Anyway, I'm on board with Anderson.

By the way, his first three or so years in the league he played pretty good defense, but as his shot improved, teams keep moving him further from the basket. I think he's athletic enough where a good defensive minded coach, can get him back to where he was when he came into the league.

 

[funkykingston]

What about Teletovic instead he would make way less money and this year on a crap team broke the record for 3 pointers by a [player off the bench while averaging 11points on 39% from 3, he's a chucker but he does basically everything Anderson does.

If for the same price as Ryan Anderson the team could sign Teletovic and Courtney Lee that'd be pretty nice. Teletovic is a great shooter and his passing is a plus.

The biggest thing that RA gives over MT is that if teams try to guard him with a smaller wing he can take them into the post and score easily. That's actually a very important quality for a stretch four. That and he's bigger and three years younger.