Webber trade, revisited...
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Who'd've thunk that Matt Barnes would end up being the most valuable asset involved in that trade.....? 
((my lovely Kings, how did this trade screw you? Let me count the ways....))
((my lovely Kings, how did this trade screw you? Let me count the ways....))
But just think, if we still had Webber, we'd be paying him $22.3 million this season
Instead, we're paying Kenny Thomas his 7-8 mil, which is still bad, but imagine if we still had Webber!
Instead, we're paying Kenny Thomas his 7-8 mil, which is still bad, but imagine if we still had Webber!
imagine, Webber would be a $22.3 million expiring contract this season!!
That would be a valuable asset either to make us serious players in next year's free agent market, or as trade bait to some team brave enough to want to move into those waters.
but Barnes.... THAT is the stuff!
my thoughts exactly. I was against the trade at the time, and always hated it, but this year is where is gets especially painful to revisit that trade.
Would the Kings have been any better with Webb & Barnes for the last couple of years? We'll never know, but I think it's fair to say they couldn't have been any worse. Worst case, we'd be where we are now, a team that needs major work, but at least with that $23 million expiring contract we'd have something we could work with.
Wow, the thread title should say Re-re-re-re-revisited. Barnes isnt anything more then a hustle player who hasnt proven he can play without and adelman or nelson style. I wonder why no one offered him anything and he had to take a one year deal?
And yes the webber trade wasnt very good but at the time kenny wasnt as worthless as he is now and webber is already going to be on his fourth freaking team since then. His expiring would have been great but this upcoming summer is overrated because almost all of those players will stay put.
In the summer of 09? We should have capspace anyway. And the article written by amick proves that people were over dramatic about the moore signing IMO.
And yes the webber trade wasnt very good but at the time kenny wasnt as worthless as he is now and webber is already going to be on his fourth freaking team since then. His expiring would have been great but this upcoming summer is overrated because almost all of those players will stay put.
In the summer of 09? We should have capspace anyway. And the article written by amick proves that people were over dramatic about the moore signing IMO.
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kenny thomas is the worst starting power forward in the league. i wouldve been cool if the maloofs held out on the webber trade till the 06 season. so instead of getting true quality players with a webber trade, we're stuck with a 7 million dollar garbage man that cant even thoroughly sweep the streets.
He probably wont be a starter anymore but i know what you mean, but if you think we could have gotten quality for webber then you are fooling youself. How can you get quality for someone who cant barely move? I just watched the kings vs timberwolves series yesterday and it was so damn hard to watch the guy jog up and down the floor.
But just think, if we still had Webber, we'd be paying him $22.3 million this season
Instead, we're paying Kenny Thomas his 7-8 mil, which is still bad, but imagine if we still had Webber!
Instead, we're paying Kenny Thomas his 7-8 mil, which is still bad, but imagine if we still had Webber!
Yes imagine! In one year we would be free!
Instead we have:
Kenny $7mil 3yrs
Reef $6mil 3yrs
Corliss --> Mikki $6mil 3yrs
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Total = $19mil for next 3 yrs
And not a one of them a competent starter or valuable trade piece.
Not sure you can really tack on Reef and Moore. What's to say we wouldn't have signed Reef anyways? With Webber declining, he'd be the worse pay for talent in the league this year. Plus maybe we keep Peja with Webber here and sign him to a 12 mil a year deal for 5 years or whatever. Nonetheless, there are too many what ifs.
Now I'm not saying this was a great or even good trade either, but pretty much it's Webber at 22 mil this year or KT at 21+ mil over the next 3 years. I still think Kenny is the more servicable player right now. Sure he doesn't have Webber's charm and likability, but he doesn't demand the ball like Webber did before he got traded (remember him shooting at least 60% of the time he got the ball?). In Adelman's system, he was a solid 10/8 guy. Webber + Bibby + Brad = 80% of our cap.
Maybe KT will accept a buyout at like 18 mil. If we kept and bought out CWebb last year like I read in a post above, we'd (well, the Maloofs would) have had to fork out at least $35 mil, since I believe he only took a 5 mil cut.
Now I'm not saying this was a great or even good trade either, but pretty much it's Webber at 22 mil this year or KT at 21+ mil over the next 3 years. I still think Kenny is the more servicable player right now. Sure he doesn't have Webber's charm and likability, but he doesn't demand the ball like Webber did before he got traded (remember him shooting at least 60% of the time he got the ball?). In Adelman's system, he was a solid 10/8 guy. Webber + Bibby + Brad = 80% of our cap.
Maybe KT will accept a buyout at like 18 mil. If we kept and bought out CWebb last year like I read in a post above, we'd (well, the Maloofs would) have had to fork out at least $35 mil, since I believe he only took a 5 mil cut.
Webber sucked on the court and shot like crap, and we would have most likely kept peja and overpaid him like ostertag said so the cap wouldnt have even looked that great especially with mike and brad's contract's staring us in the face.
Mikke moore will not be here for 3 years because his contract is only two and a half years and i think he will be gone before then anyway. That signing was not that bad because i dont want to see williams getting more than 25 minutes per game anyway. Hawes will still get plenty of time if he plays hard like theus said.
He will give time ot the guy who deserves it and the reef signing was a bargain at the time. I know your going to say we should have checked ont he knee but new jersey didnt care about that like they said. They just had second thoughts about the contract they offered and used that old highschool injury as a good excuse.
Mikke moore will not be here for 3 years because his contract is only two and a half years and i think he will be gone before then anyway. That signing was not that bad because i dont want to see williams getting more than 25 minutes per game anyway. Hawes will still get plenty of time if he plays hard like theus said.
He will give time ot the guy who deserves it and the reef signing was a bargain at the time. I know your going to say we should have checked ont he knee but new jersey didnt care about that like they said. They just had second thoughts about the contract they offered and used that old highschool injury as a good excuse.
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Okay, I'll play...(this topic is not long for this world anyway...)
His season stats at the time of the trade:
21.3 PPG, 9.7 RPG, 5.5 APG, 44.9% FG, and 79.9% FT.
Yeah, that shooting percentage is bad for a big, but he was never a high fg% guy. In 02-03 is was only 46.1%.
Kenny Thomas on the other hand...
(first year with sac, he's much worse now)
14.5 PPG, 8.7 RPG, 2.9 APG, 49.2% FG, and 72.2% FT.
If this was the best trade that was on the table Webber should have been kept, many of us said it then, and still believe it to be true. After this year we'd have all the cap room we could ask for.
His season stats at the time of the trade:
21.3 PPG, 9.7 RPG, 5.5 APG, 44.9% FG, and 79.9% FT.
Yeah, that shooting percentage is bad for a big, but he was never a high fg% guy. In 02-03 is was only 46.1%.
Kenny Thomas on the other hand...
(first year with sac, he's much worse now)
14.5 PPG, 8.7 RPG, 2.9 APG, 49.2% FG, and 72.2% FT.
If this was the best trade that was on the table Webber should have been kept, many of us said it then, and still believe it to be true. After this year we'd have all the cap room we could ask for.
I know it's TDOS and there isn't much to talk about, but this same thread AGAIN? This trade happened years ago, and every month or so we all feel the need to "revisit" it.
Maybe it's because this trade basically took the Kings out of NBA legitimacy and began the freefall into the laughingstock that the team has become. All those who feel the trade was good for the Kings may want to ponder that for a second.
Yes he was overpaid. Yes, he had a bum knee and therefore couldn't produce like he was expected to. But... What's Kenny Thomas' excuse?
This trade flat out sucked and screwed the team over. And for future reference, when we "revisit" the Webber trade sometime in September, it will suck then too.
Maybe it's because this trade basically took the Kings out of NBA legitimacy and began the freefall into the laughingstock that the team has become. All those who feel the trade was good for the Kings may want to ponder that for a second.
Yes he was overpaid. Yes, he had a bum knee and therefore couldn't produce like he was expected to. But... What's Kenny Thomas' excuse?
This trade flat out sucked and screwed the team over. And for future reference, when we "revisit" the Webber trade sometime in September, it will suck then too.