Webber Intrigued By Knicks

[The Freak]

here we go again with the webber talk. lol...​

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Webber Intrigued By KnicksWire Reports
Saturday, January 08, 2005

http://www.broadbandnewsnet.com/newsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=1238&z=5​

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]According to a report in the Dtroit Free Press, Chris Webber told a reporter to: "Whisper in Isiah's ear for me."

Webber has a few reservations, but he's definitely intrigued by the idea of playing for the New York Knicks, according to the paper.

Webber and the Kings have some unresolved chemistry issues that led Peja Stojakovic to ask for a trade over the summer.

"There's no player that's ever touched a basketball that I've ever loved and admired more than Isiah," Webber said of the Knicks' president, who was winning championships with the Pistons when Webber was growing up as a teenager in Detroit.

Thomas, according to the report, privately remains fixated on Webber, seeing him as one of the final major pieces to complete a transformation of a roster to which he's already added Stephon Marbury, Jamal Crawford (Michigan), Tim Thomas, Nazr Mohammed and rookie Trevor Ariza.

The Knicks conceivably could offer a package of players (Kurt Thomas, Tim Thomas, Michael Sweetney and Moochie Norris) whose contracts would only slightly exceed the combined salaries of Webber ($17.5 million) and Doug Christie ($7.5 million) and whose skills would fit the Kings' needs, according to the report.
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[VF21]

This isn't really worth the paper it was originally written on, espeically since their idea of trading Webber and Christie is now moot.

That article is just more hype and pipe dreams and I think we may actually have had it posted already...

Webber is not going to the Knicks.

 

[Padrino]

it would be amusing to see the combined salaries of webber, houston, hardaway, and marbury, tho. its not like the knicks dont already have the league's highest payroll.

 

[Bricklayer]

Other than the first line, which is beyond impossible to verify, its just the same ole tired rumor as always. Yeah right. Whatever. I'm sure we want to take on all of NYs huge bad contracts out of the goodness of our heart.

We'll see over the summer if we rebuild. If Webebr were part of that rebuilding, NY would be one of the few teams that would make sense. But would almost have to be a third team involved, because all NY has is garbage to offer in return.

 

[kingskings!]

http://www.freep.com/sports/basketball/webber8e_20050108.htm

Webber intrigued by Isiah, Knicks

[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]FREE PRESS NEWS SERVICES[/font] January 8, 2005



"Whisper in Isiah's ear for me," Chris Webber said.

OK, Chris. Here it goes:

Psst, Isiah Thomas, listen up.


Webber has a few reservations, but he's definitely intrigued by the idea of playing for the New York Knicks.

Webber, a former Wolverine, rolled through New York last week, scoring 22 points for Sacramento in a seven-point victory that gave the Kings their 20th win of the season.

Only six NBA teams entered the weekend with as many as 20 wins, and none of them would figure to be eager to part with a player as integral to their success as Webber is to the Kings. But Sacramento is a special case, still harboring the same unresolved chemistry issues that led Peja Stojakovic to ask for a trade over the summer.

And the team's financial commitment to Webber -- about $60 million over the next three years -- is somewhat of a risk as he continues his comeback from microfracture surgery on his right knee.

Webber freely acknowledges he's lost some of the explosiveness his knee used to provide, and he remains cautious when considering whether his knee will hold up over the long haul.

He also harbors some apprehension over whether he'd be welcomed in New York, a prospect he gave serious consideration to 3 1/2 years ago before re-signing with Sacramento.

"There's no player that's ever touched a basketball that I've ever loved and admired more than Isiah," Webber said of the Knicks' president, who was winning championships with the Pistons when Webber was growing up as a teenager in Detroit.

Thomas is not scared off by the amount of money remaining on Webber's contract, nor his 15 percent trade kicker, but he is known to be apprehensive about the long-term health of Webber's knee.

Asked at the Kings-Knicks game what type of piece he'd like to add to his team, Thomas answered "Shaquille O'Neal."

But Thomas privately remains fixated on Webber, seeing him as one of the final major pieces to complete a transformation of a roster to which he's already added Stephon Marbury, Jamal Crawford (Michigan), Tim Thomas, Nazr Mohammed and rookie Trevor Ariza, who has supplanted Penny Hardaway -- another Thomas acquisition -- as the backup shooting guard behind Allan Houston during Crawford's current injury list absence.

The Knicks conceivably could offer a package of players (Kurt Thomas, Tim Thomas, Michael Sweetney and Moochie Norris) whose contracts would only slightly exceed the combined salaries of Webber ($17.5 million) and Doug Christie ($7.5 million) and whose skills would fit the Kings' needs, but Sacramento general manager Geoff Petrie would likely insist on a package that would include Crawford, one of two players (the other being Stephon Marbury) who are all but untouchable in the mind of the Knicks president.

Copyright © 2005 Detroit Free Press Inc.​

 

[Bricklayer]

See, that's what I'm saying -- nothing new here. Same ole same ole for 4 years now. I mean, its tired. I'm tired of reading the same stupid stuff. Meida members witha life should be tired of writing about it. Its just old.

 

[SLAB]

After slaving at RealGM trade checker for at least 15 minutes, I have concocted quite possibly the best trade senario, with New York, involving Webber, ever!


Sacramento trades:

PF Chris Webber (20.9 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 4.9 apg in 35.7 minutes)
SF Erik Daniels (0.7 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.2 apg in 4.0 minutes)

Sacramento receives:

C Kurt Thomas (11.5 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.9 apg in 36.1 minutes)
C Nazr Mohammed (12.8 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 30.5 minutes)
PF Vin Baker (1.4 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.1 apg in 7.8 minutes)
C Bruno Sundov (2.2 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 4.7 minutes)

Change in team outlook: +6.3 ppg, +11.0 rpg, and -2.5 apg.


Nazr can now step in as our starting center, which would slide Brad over to PF, where he had no problem playing there last year. Kurt is now our super frontcourt sixth-man. Nazr and Vinny have only this year left on their contracts, so thats quite a bit off our cap. Bruno/Daniels are filler to make the trade work.

So yes. I am a genious.

 

[VF21]

After slaving at RealGM trade checker for at least 15 minutes, I have concocted quite possibly the best trade senario, with New York, involving Webber, ever!


Sacramento trades:

PF Chris Webber (20.9 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 4.9 apg in 35.7 minutes)
SF Erik Daniels (0.7 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.2 apg in 4.0 minutes)

Sacramento receives:

C Kurt Thomas (11.5 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.9 apg in 36.1 minutes)
C Nazr Mohammed (12.8 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 30.5 minutes)
PF Vin Baker (1.4 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.1 apg in 7.8 minutes)
C Bruno Sundov (2.2 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 4.7 minutes)

Change in team outlook: +6.3 ppg, +11.0 rpg, and -2.5 apg.


Nazr can now step in as our starting center, which would slide Brad over to PF, where he had no problem playing there last year. Kurt is now our super frontcourt sixth-man. Nazr and Vinny have only this year left on their contracts, so thats quite a bit off our cap. Bruno/Daniels are filler to make the trade work.

So yes. I am a genious.

Except that the word you're seeking is "GENIUS."

 

[love_them_kings]

Webber intrigued by Isiah, Knicks

[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]FREE PRESS NEWS SERVICES[/font] January 8, 2005



"Whisper in Isiah's ear for me," Chris Webber said.

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You know, I can see Webb saying this with a smirk on his face in response to ANOTHER stupid question from a reporter. It could be totally true, but I am just so used to everything Webb saying being misconstrued and taken out of context, so I refuse to get worried by it anymore.

 

[Bricklayer]

After slaving at RealGM trade checker for at least 15 minutes, I have concocted quite possibly the best trade senario, with New York, involving Webber, ever!


Sacramento trades:

PF Chris Webber (20.9 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 4.9 apg in 35.7 minutes)
SF Erik Daniels (0.7 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.2 apg in 4.0 minutes)

Sacramento receives:

C Kurt Thomas (11.5 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.9 apg in 36.1 minutes)
C Nazr Mohammed (12.8 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 30.5 minutes)
PF Vin Baker (1.4 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.1 apg in 7.8 minutes)
C Bruno Sundov (2.2 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 4.7 minutes)

Change in team outlook: +6.3 ppg, +11.0 rpg, and -2.5 apg.


Nazr can now step in as our starting center, which would slide Brad over to PF, where he had no problem playing there last year. Kurt is now our super frontcourt sixth-man. Nazr and Vinny have only this year left on their contracts, so thats quite a bit off our cap. Bruno/Daniels are filler to make the trade work.

So yes. I am a genious.

The sad part is, that's what they all look like. The Knicks are garbage. Their contracts are garbage. Meanwhile we are still chasing a championship. Until we're not and decide to rebuild, Isiah is just going to have to sit there and stew in his pile of huge ugly contracts and mediocre players.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Interesting, but I dont think that GP is going to do much, and dont know why he would, beings that Webb is having a great year. Cuttino should be a steal, and should add more to the already decent offense, even if we are having an off year in that department. Although I could see Geoff trying to package Bobby and a pick to get something, beings that I dont see Bobby re-signing with us after the season.

 

[SLAB]

Except that the word you're seeking is "GENIUS."

I knew that...

 

[quick dog]

I simply don't believe it. None of it.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Ah yes NY where championship teams are bought. Thank heavens for NBA Salary Cap and Stienbrener NOT owning the Knicks.

 

[mcsluggo]

Except that the word you're seeking is "GENIUS."

I thought he was trying to say "generous"

(as in giving Webber away for trash)

 

[Ryle]

After slaving at RealGM trade checker for at least 15 minutes, I have concocted quite possibly the best trade senario, with New York, involving Webber, ever!


Sacramento trades:

PF Chris Webber (20.9 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 4.9 apg in 35.7 minutes)
SF Erik Daniels (0.7 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.2 apg in 4.0 minutes)

Sacramento receives:

C Kurt Thomas (11.5 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.9 apg in 36.1 minutes)
C Nazr Mohammed (12.8 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 30.5 minutes)
PF Vin Baker (1.4 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.1 apg in 7.8 minutes)
C Bruno Sundov (2.2 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 4.7 minutes)

Change in team outlook: +6.3 ppg, +11.0 rpg, and -2.5 apg.


Nazr can now step in as our starting center, which would slide Brad over to PF, where he had no problem playing there last year. Kurt is now our super frontcourt sixth-man. Nazr and Vinny have only this year left on their contracts, so thats quite a bit off our cap. Bruno/Daniels are filler to make the trade work.

So yes. I am a genious.

I thought I would resurrect this trade Webber stuff. One trade that was brought up in the New York papers was Tim Thomas and Nzr Mohammed for Webb. This works cap wise and, even though I am a big fan of Webb, I think I would do it.

Mohammed is an AWESOME rebounder and could really clean up the glass inside and patrol the middle. We then move Brad back out to starting PF and we then have Tag and Songaila to rotate in. Also, Thomas makes a ton of money and is a really good athlete and he can back up behind Peja and at the PF position if need be.

Here is the kicker though. Both Mohammed and Thomas' contracts come off the books after next season(same time Peja's does) and we will be significantly under the cap and can finally sign some free agents to good deals. This is what our line-up would be:

PG-Bibby
SG-Mobley
SF-Peja
PF-Miller
C-Mohammed

Off the bench we would then have House(Jackson), Martin, Evans, Thomas, Tag and Songaila.

That's a pretty good and versatile line-up

 

[PFFFT!!]

Webber stays. You can't trade a player of Webbers caliber. His passing skills, big hands, and his experience and chemistry on this team. Big fat NO. If you trade Webber, I would wait until the offseason in a re-tooling move. But no way mid season.

 

[fakie]

that writer oughtta be shot.

old news. does nothing for me except aggravation.

 

[Heuge]

I thought I would resurrect this trade Webber stuff. One trade that was brought up in the New York papers was Tim Thomas and Nzr Mohammed for Webb. This works cap wise and, even though I am a big fan of Webb, I think I would do it.

Mohammed is an AWESOME rebounder and could really clean up the glass inside and patrol the middle. We then move Brad back out to starting PF and we then have Tag and Songaila to rotate in. Also, Thomas makes a ton of money and is a really good athlete and he can back up behind Peja and at the PF position if need be.

Here is the kicker though. Both Mohammed and Thomas' contracts come off the books after next season(same time Peja's does) and we will be significantly under the cap and can finally sign some free agents to good deals. This is what our line-up would be:

PG-Bibby
SG-Mobley
SF-Peja
PF-Miller
C-Mohammed

Off the bench we would then have House(Jackson), Martin, Evans, Thomas, Tag and Songaila.

That's a pretty good and versatile line-up

Brad is NOT a PF...too slow. Mohammed would backup Brad. Thomas to start. Tag to cheerleading.

 

[Bricklayer]

Of course its a well known fact that the route to elite status in this league is to pick up NYs frontcourt.

Come on now.

 

[Ryle]

Brad is NOT a PF...too slow. Mohammed would backup Brad. Thomas to start. Tag to cheerleading.

He was pretty good last year for the first part of the season. And that was with old and slow Vlade at Center.

 

[Heuge]

He was pretty good last year for the first part of the season. And that was with old and slow Vlade at Center.

He couldn't keep up with faster PFs (which was all of them). We have been over and over and over this.

Brad Miller is not nor will he ever be a PF.

 

[Ryle]

He couldn't keep up with faster PFs (which was all of them). We have been over and over and over this.

Brad Miller is not nor will he ever be a PF.

He can defend as good or possibly better than Webb. Believe it or not he does a pretty good job against Garnett.

 

[Heuge]

He can defend as good or possibly better than Webb. Believe it or not he does a pretty good job against Garnett.

So you're saying that Brad Miller is a PF b/c he defends better then Webb...Unfortunately, that is not that much of anargument.

 

[uolj]

Believe it or not he does a pretty good job against Garnett.

Miller gave up an average of 30.5 pts and 18 rebs in the two games he matched up against Garnett last year at PF (Webber and Songaila each held him under 25 pts). That's not "pretty good" when Garnett's averages were 24pts and 14reb per game.

 

[VF21]

I love it.

This rumor is going to go around every time the Kings go into NY. Some NY writer, apparently unaware that it's all been said already, will try to convince people that Webber wants to be in NY more than Sacramento. And a few people will buy into it.

Webber was being polite. He said nice things about a man he admires. That's all - nothing more.

It's clear the organization is 100% behind Webber. They're not going to trade him off, especially in a trade that is favored because it gets salaries off the books.

They just made a trade to bring a little different piece to fit in with our current team. I'm not among those who thinks another trade has to be in the works, but then I'm not in a hurry to trade away Chris Webber with no regard for just how well he's doing.

Miller isn't a PF and forcing to play as one at this point isn't something I would like to see. How many times have we seen him all of a sudden decide for almost an entire game to pass up easy looks?

For me, at least, I think it's time to see what this latest version of the Kings can accomplish before deciding to junk it all and start over - and that's what I personally think bringing Nazr and Tim Thomas would be.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm not sure what Brad is really. A center I suspose. But with his skills on offense and lack of inside presence on defense, he's a bit hard to fit into any particular mold.

One thing I think is pretty obvious though -- if Brad Miller is one of your big men, the other one absolutely needs to be able to operate in the post and block shots, because Brad simply lacks those skills. Unfortunately the last part of Webb's game to return has been the shotblocking. Everything else is pretty much back on most nights, but a guy who used to get you 1.5 to 2.0 blocks is now averaging less than half of that.

 

[Kingsgurl]

He also harbors some apprehension over whether he'd be welcomed in New York, a prospect he gave serious consideration to 3 1/2 years ago before re-signing with Sacramento.

Snickers uncontrollably, remembering the cut crystal model of Madison Square Garden the Knicks sent to Chris that summer, and how miffed they were that, not only didn't he call to talk about signing there, but he didn't call to say Thanks either