Webber Article by Skip Blayless from Espn.com

No will, No Way for C-Webb

By Skip Bayless
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Allen Iverson did exactly what he told Chris Webber he was going to do.

Late in Saturday's game, he shot his second free throw just long enough that it caromed squarely off the back iron. The ball bounded beyond the two Sacramento Kings with the inside position and fell perfectly within reach of a now-former King. Out flashed one of Webber's tantalizingly long arms. Suddenly, improbably, the newest Philadelphia 76er had the ball and an open path to slam it home just before the buzzer. The basket would force overtime.

What a fairy-tale moment this could have been: Sixers Could Be Kings ... Webber Burns Former Team in Philly Debut.

Yet this was the last place C-Webb wanted to find himself.

See Webb cower. See Webb shrink.

Instead of going up strong, Webber took off toward the right side of the rim, almost as if inviting interference from an ex-teammate. Ironically, the only challenge came from an ex-Sixer, Kenny Thomas, one of three players traded last week for Webber. Yet Thomas didn't block or bother Webber's little scoop layup. It merely didn't have enough oomph.

You can take the player out of Sacramento . . .
The shot came to a no-guts, no-glory end against the rim. Kings 101, Sixers 99.

Webber sent himself into an exaggerated and unnecessary fall, as if to fool the Sixers' first official sellout crowd of the season into believing he had been knocked off balance up near the rim. He yanked former teammate Darius Songaila down on top of him.

But C-Webb, more lover than fighter, quickly hugged and patted Songaila as if to say: "Thanks for falling with me, man. I still love you guys."

At least, Webber loves all the Kings except the one who couldn't play Saturday night. The town of Sacramento wasn't big enough for both Webber and Peja Stojakovic. That was one reason Webber had to go. General manager Geoff Petrie wants the Kings to finally become Peja's Team.

Oh, the pain: Even with an injured Peja watching from the end of the bench, the Kings outscrapped and outshot the Sixers in the fourth quarter and upstaged the Seventy-Webbers in his first game in Philly.

As I watched, I felt a little sorry for Webber. I've always felt a little sorry for a guy who was blessed with way too much talent — attached to way too much sensitivity and intellect. Gut feeling: Mayce Edward Christopher Webber III has never wanted to be as great as we expected him to be.

His mother, Doris, a teacher, has always told him: "The more you've been given, the more that's demanded of you."

She means money. But this also applies to ability.

Webber stands 6-foot-10, but his arms and springs have always allowed him to play 7 feet tall. Until he hurt his knee in the 2003 playoffs, he was the quickest-jumping big man who ever played. Such natural strength. Such sweet touch, inside and out. Such point-guard feel for the game.

All of which allowed Webber to dominate the competition at Detroit's Country Day prep ... and as the Fab One of Michigan's Fab Five ... and in lots and lots of regular-season NBA games at Golden State, Washington and Sacramento.

But more and more you get the feeling that Chris Webber doesn't want to be Chris Webber. It's the fame that haunts him, not the fortune. He surely doesn't mind the max-contract wealth that basketball has provided. But deep down, Webber is a complementary player trapped in max-contract expectations.

And he's introspective enough to let it eat him alive. This, after all, is a man who speaks eloquently about black history and who has built one of the country's finest collections of black artifacts and art. Here is a deep thinker — maybe too deep to be a franchise-changing, clutch-shooting superstar.

No shame there. Where does it say that just because you're born with extraordinary ability, you also get Michael Jordan's tunnel-vision rage to win?

The late, great Jim Murray, whose columns were as insightful as they were hilarious, once told me: "Hit me a fly ball with two outs, bases loaded, bottom of the ninth in the seventh game of the World Series, and I'm going to have four or five of the longest seconds of my life. I'm going to think about how I could be forever remembered as the guy who dropped this fly ball. And I'm going to drop it."

That's an underlying reason the Webber trade wasn't as great for the Sixers and awful for the Kings as initially portrayed.

This trade definitely is a burden for Webber, who now must try and fail to live up to even greater expectations. Now, sigh, he's supposed to be The Answer for The Answer.

Yes, Webber provides Iverson with the perennial All-Star teammate he hasn't had. Yet as he nears his 32nd birthday on Wednesday, what exactly is Webber? A finesse forward? A point center? A big tease?

No player can build you up and let you down quite like Webber. Oh, what a tangled C-Webb the Sixers weave. In the end, they'll realize they can't win without or with him.

Petrie decided he had a better chance without Webber. Webber could take the Kings to the threshold of greatness, but he didn't have the confidence or the killer will to carry Sacramento over it.

It became painfully obvious that the Kings were a better team, offensively and defensively, while Webber was rehabbing his knee last season. The offense had much better flow and rhythm, and Stojakovic turned into an MVP front-runner. When Webber returned, his knee never was quite right, and he turned into a ground-bound, ball-eating lane-clogger. If the ball went in to Webber, time stopped. And the ball did not come back out.

But this season, Webber had found a new comfort zone as a facilitator. The Kings' offense was running through him instead of ending with him. He had four triple doubles. He was averaging about 21 points, almost 10 rebounds and 5.4 assists.

Still, Petrie wasn't buying it. Especially not for the $62 million the Kings would owe Webber over the next three seasons. Petrie knew all too well how little passion and intensity Webber brought to the defensive end. Petrie knew better than anyone how Webber usually runs from the ball in pressure situations, especially in the postseason.

For years, I've talked to various NBA GMs, who usually refer to Webber's "loser's intangibles." It all started, of course, in that NCAA championship game against North Carolina when Webber called the timeout that Michigan didn't have, down two with 11 seconds left. That technical foul took the Wolverines out of the game. Carolina won 77-71.

'Ummm, OK, I meant I deserve to be put in a timeout.'
Webber's Michigan team lost two NCAA title games — the first to Duke.

Corliss Williamson won an NCAA title at Arkansas. His Detroit Pistons won an NBA title last season. Williamson has "winner's intangibles."

Williamson, Thomas and Brian Skinner were traded for Webber. They'll make the Kings a little better as a team. Yes, Saturday night was just one game, but Williamson contributed 17 points (on 7-of-11 shooting) with six rebounds, three assists and two steals. Thomas added 16 points and 10 rebounds.

Webber had 16 and 11. Webber hit his first two jumpers. Iverson set up Webber to make the last shot.

"Everything happened just right," Iverson said of his intentionally missed free throw. "But we just couldn't finish."

That seems to be the epitaph for every Webber team. They always expect too much. That's their fault, not his. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/050228
 
Diehard Jim said:
Still, Petrie wasn't buying it. Especially not for the $62 million the Kings would owe Webber over the next three seasons. Petrie knew all too well how little passion and intensity Webber brought to the defensive end. Petrie knew better than anyone how Webber usually runs from the ball in pressure situations, especially in the postseason.

You know -- its things like this that always tip you off to whether a guy has been watching the game or not, or is just writing a column he could have written at any point in the last few years. Kind of embarrassing when you are a national writer.
 
That's the reason I wished Webb would have made that shot. I knew the old "choker" tag would be used against him...but unlike most that aren't Sacramento Kings fans, we know how far he has come with cluth shots. He has more conifdance in the came winning shots now than ever. I'm sure the 76er fans will see Webb hit a game winning shot this season for them and hopefully show them can hit game winning shots and actually wants to hit them.
 
Diehard Jim said:
The town of Sacramento wasn't big enough for both Webber and Peja Stojakovic.

errr....town? Wasn't Sacramento a city? Also, Skippy, what do you mean when you titled the link "you can take Webber out of Sacramento, but you can't take "loser" out of Webber?" Weird. Could be a bit more educated by rephrasing that into something less apparent dude.
 
Webber sent himself into an exaggerated and unnecessary fall, as if to fool the Sixers' first official sellout crowd of the season into believing he had been knocked off balance up near the rim. He yanked former teammate Darius Songaila down on top of him.

But C-Webb, more lover than fighter, quickly hugged and patted Songaila as if to say: "Thanks for falling with me, man. I still love you guys."
...And it was the Kings players that help Webber up: http://meribarb.net/kingsphillies.jpg (<< click to see pic) I remember when Webb started heading to the other direction (to 6ers lockerroom), it just felt weird.


Other than that, didn't really enjoy this article. :\
 
I watched that last shot a few times and it sure looked like Thomas may have gotten a piece of that ball going up. Who knows.... Anyway, Bayless is the King of jumping all over people after the fact and really is slime.
 
Hey, read the articles about Chris in the Philadelphia Inquirer, they are very much on the positive side. The only negative I read was about the Sixers coach, who apparently now has to prove HIMSELF. Go C-WEBB!!!

www.philly.com is the website, membership and all the reading you want is free
 
VERY good article. It's unfortunate that the messanger has to be shot simply because people don't like the message. The message is dead on accurate.

Webber has handled this trade situation - perhaps the most stressful and shocking event in his career - VERY well. He waived the clause in his contract, he said all the right things (this is huge), he put out that - actually wonderful - ad in the Bee over the weekend thanking Sacramento and the fans, his black history collection will continue to be shown at Crocker for the rest of the year, he's continuing to fund 30 tickets to every Kings game for underprivelaged kids for the rest of the year...these aren't saintly things by any means, but for Webber, they add up to maybe show that he has grown somewhat since the JWill, contract re-negotiation, lying to the Grand Jury, and substance abuse days.

Philly will eat him alive. Nobody got him into this situation but himself. This is his ultimate test as a man - how will he handle the booing and the dashed expectations? He has the potential to grow as a man over the next three years substantially more than he can as a player. Hopefully he'll capitalize on it...
 
The article was in poor taste, but I can't believe that people on this board who think they are KINGS fans actually wanted Webb to hit that shot. That is ridiculous!!! Webb is a great guy that did great things for the Kings, but he is now a 76er and to wish him to make that shot goes against every rule of being a Kings fan.
 
Markezi said:
VERY good article. It's unfortunate that the messanger has to be shot simply because people don't like the message. The message is dead on accurate.

No, the messenger is being shot because it is NOT accurate. And you as a Kings fan cannot sit here and tell me that you've actually watched the Kings play this year and think that Webb is running from shots during the clutch or choking them. Of course then again maybe his presence means you just haven;t been watching (much like Skip)? In anyc case, anyone who would try to make that assertion after webb has takne nearly EVERY big shot this season and won about half a dozen games with them just either has not been watching, or wants to sell a column.

Old sterotypes die hard. Harder still if you don;t bother to watch the games.
 
Markezi said:
VERY good article. It's unfortunate that the messanger has to be shot simply because people don't like the message. The message is dead on accurate.
A sad article like this will only appeal to people who have developed blind hatred for Webber over the years. Sad to be reminded you are one of them.
 
HARSH!! They should fire that guy.

Hey question-My husband said something Sat. night that got me to thinking and I want your take on it.

He said he wouldn't put is past Webber to actually pull a couple of shots so his old Kings could win. Hubby said it didn't have to be the last one, even if he pulled 2 or 3 during the game. I just don't see a professional NBA player doing that, no matter how long they were on a team or how close they were to the fellow players.

What do you think?
 
Daniela said:
HARSH!! They should fire that guy.

Hey question-My husband said something Sat. night that got me to thinking and I want your take on it.

He said he wouldn't put is past Webber to actually pull a couple of shots so his old Kings could win. Hubby said it didn't have to be the last one, even if he pulled 2 or 3 during the game. I just don't see a professional NBA player doing that, no matter how long they were on a team or how close they were to the fellow players.

What do you think?

Never.
 
Bricklayer said:
No, the messenger is being shot because it is NOT accurate. And you as a Kings fan cannot sit here and tell me that you've actually watched the Kings play this year and think that Webb is running from shots during the clutch or choking them. Of course then again maybe his presence means you just haven;t been watching (much like Skip)? In anyc case, anyone who would try to make that assertion after webb has takne nearly EVERY big shot this season and won about half a dozen games with them just either has not been watching, or wants to sell a column.

Old sterotypes die hard. Harder still if you don;t bother to watch the games.
Having our PF with one of the lowest points-per-shot ratio of all NBA starters consistently shoot the three with time winding down when he has one of the most proficient group of 3-point shooting teammates is simply not good decision-making. Not by Webber, not by Adelman, not by Bibby or whoever is consistently passing it to him. Heck, if I shot ten despearation threes with nobody on me, I guarantee I'd make one or two. The positive that Philly can take from Saturday's game is that Webber wasn't just perched beyond the arc waiting for someone to dish him the ball - at least he went up underneath the rim.

I don't think that Webb has run from shots - in fact, just the opposite. I think he DEMANDS shots. Unfortunatley, more often than not they are at the expense of the team (and I'm not at all just referring to desperation shots). That minor detail doesn't ruin the article for me - I saw the article being about Webber not taking responsibility for his actions, and that pattern translating into a difficult time in his new home.

Like I said, it's a great opportunity for him to grow as an adult - so far he's doing just fine (and I'm not being sarcastic when I say that). If his knee falters, if he shoots 2-21 from the field, if he says something stupid to the media, if he does the things that he has consistently done in the past, he will have a BRUTAL experience in PA. It will be interesting to see what the future holds.
 
Markezi said:
Having our PF with one of the lowest points-per-shot ratio of all NBA starters consistently shoot the three with time winding down when he has one of the most proficient group of 3-point shooting teammates is simply not good decision-making. Not by Webber, not by Adelman, not by Bibby or whoever is consistently passing it to him. Heck, if I shot ten despearation threes with nobody on me, I guarantee I'd make one or two. The positive that Philly can take from Saturday's game is that Webber wasn't just perched beyond the arc waiting for someone to dish him the ball - at least he went up underneath the rim.

I don't think that Webb has run from shots - in fact, just the opposite. I think he DEMANDS shots. Unfortunatley, more often than not they are at the expense of the team (and I'm not at all just referring to desperation shots). That minor detail doesn't ruin the article for me - I saw the article being about Webber not taking responsibility for his actions, and that pattern translating into a difficult time in his new home.

Like I said, it's a great opportunity for him to grow as an adult - so far he's doing just fine (and I'm not being sarcastic when I say that). If his knee falters, if he shoots 2-21 from the field, if he says something stupid to the media, if he does the things that he has consistently done in the past, he will have a BRUTAL experience in PA. It will be interesting to see what the future holds.
lol, he was serious! That 3 against Houston T-Mac was right in his grill... and no, you couldn't have made it.
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I like Skip cause he is pretty funny and is always so far over the top. This article is no exception and is his normal blabber. One could say he is similar to our resident AV. To them its all about getting people to talk.
 
Markezi said:
Having our PF with one of the lowest points-per-shot ratio of all NBA starters consistently shoot the three with time winding down when he has one of the most proficient group of 3-point shooting teammates is simply not good decision-making. Not by Webber, not by Adelman, not by Bibby or whoever is consistently passing it to him. Heck, if I shot ten despearation threes with nobody on me, I guarantee I'd make one or two. The positive that Philly can take from Saturday's game is that Webber wasn't just perched beyond the arc waiting for someone to dish him the ball - at least he went up underneath the rim.

I don't think that Webb has run from shots - in fact, just the opposite. I think he DEMANDS shots. Unfortunatley, more often than not they are at the expense of the team (and I'm not at all just referring to desperation shots). That minor detail doesn't ruin the article for me - I saw the article being about Webber not taking responsibility for his actions, and that pattern translating into a difficult time in his new home.

Like I said, it's a great opportunity for him to grow as an adult - so far he's doing just fine (and I'm not being sarcastic when I say that). If his knee falters, if he shoots 2-21 from the field, if he says something stupid to the media, if he does the things that he has consistently done in the past, he will have a BRUTAL experience in PA. It will be interesting to see what the future holds.

VF21 looks at the name of the poster, considers the source and moves on without direct comment...
 
i actually find markezi's sig a bit offensive (not becuz of the use of religious figures as much as voisin being put among them)
 
acisking said:
i actually find markezi's sig a bit offensive (not becuz of the use of religious figures as much as voisin being put among them)

You're new. This stuff is old and goes way back and, quite frankly, isn't worth bringing up again.
 
Come on, Brick. It wasn't all THAT bad. It was hardly inaccurate. Over the length and breadth of his career, Chris Webber has been a phenomenal franchise talent that has undeniably lacked that single-minded killer instinct. That is nothing to be ashamed of; Bayless marks it off as a positive that Webber is far too intelligent and complex to be constrained to such a stereotype. I think this article said more of Webber as a man and less of him as a basketball player, which may just be true.
 
The sports media world runs on cliches and parroting. This article is full of both. The idea that Webber can't hit big shots is something that hasn't been relevant for the past three seasons. Before the injury, he was hitting that open jumper. Him and Bibby were out-executing other teams down the stretch that year. This year he has hit plenty of clutch shots.

Everything in that article is either hit or miss, because it's all second hand knowledge passed around by blind men. They're all living in the Allegory of the Cave, reporting shadows of the basketball world.
 
El Duque said:
Come on, Brick. It wasn't all THAT bad. It was hardly inaccurate. Over the length and breadth of his career, Chris Webber has been a phenomenal franchise talent that has undeniably lacked that single-minded killer instinct. That is nothing to be ashamed of; Bayless marks it off as a positive that Webber is far too intelligent and complex to be constrained to such a stereotype. I think this article said more of Webber as a man and less of him as a basketball player, which may just be true.

Again, when old members return after bascailyl a season long absence, I almost have to ask with no maliciousness at all, but have you actually been watching the games this year? Or have you stayed away this season until now? Not a mean question, just a legit query when somebody hasn't been around. Because if you've been watching them, the "length and breadth of his career" has been utterly irrelevant -- what we saw out there in his dying days as a King was a man driven to wi a title, leading, indeed exhorting his teammates, and not just wanting to, but DEMANDING to take the big shot. For Skip to try to revive the old stereotypes -- see Webb missed that shot Sunday because he's a choker and always has been, is utterly ridiculous. There MIGHT be 5 guys int he game this season who have hit more clutch shots than Webb. MAYBE. Its been that dramatic. You might as well write an article after Kobe misses a shot about how he choked again!

Times change. So do people. So has Webb. But apparenttly not if you have a column to sell.
 
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El Duque said:
Come on, Brick. It wasn't all THAT bad. It was hardly inaccurate. Over the length and breadth of his career, Chris Webber has been a phenomenal franchise talent that has undeniably lacked that single-minded killer instinct. That is nothing to be ashamed of; Bayless marks it off as a positive that Webber is far too intelligent and complex to be constrained to such a stereotype. I think this article said more of Webber as a man and less of him as a basketball player, which may just be true.
What have you been watching?
 
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