Webber and late games

[SacKings384]

Now I am no Webber hater. In fact, I am one of the biggest Webber supporters there are... He is easily my favorite player, and a big part of the reason that I like the Kings. But late in games, when the Kings get down, Webber forces up way too many stupid shots... And it hurts the team. Even the Warriors announcers were like, "Now this is the time where Webber will try and take over, and you can use that to your advantage" Webber needs to get the rest of the team involved.

 

[VF21]

Yep. You're right. It's all Webber's fault. He should have been benched for the entire second half.

 

[KP]

Webb

Wait didn't he hit a couple of late deep shots? Plus don't start your post with I'm the biggest Webb fan... we can decide that for ourselves.

 

[bojan_pecanac]

SacKings384 never said it was ALL Webber's fault. He said that it hurts the team and it does. I didn't see the game but I saw the pbp. Why did our PF take the three pointer? Sacramento has a big variety of three point shooters and he's not one of them.

 

[KP]

SacKings384 never said it was ALL Webber's fault. He said that it hurts the team and it does. I didn't see the game but I saw the pbp. Why did our PF take the three pointer? Sacramento has a big variety of three point shooters and he's not one of them.

WTF??? He made it.

 

[VF21]

He took the 3 AND hit it. That's why he takes them.

Webber didn't hurt the team late in the game, which I DID watch BTW, any more than any other player HURT the team.

It was a TEAM loss! All this need to blame one person is just wrong.

 

[Bricklayer]

Um...waht the hell are you guys talking about? Webber absolutely CARRIED this team down the stretch, hit the shots, made the passes. Damn near hit BACK-To-BACK threes there in the last 30 seconds. If ANYBODY else had stepped up similarly, we would be talking about how we barely managed to escape.

 

[Kingsgurl]

Excuse me? Webb hit a three, and what should have been a three, trying to keep the team in a game THEY ALREADY LOST. When you let a team lay 37 on you in the third quarter, you can't seriously try to lay the blame at the feet of any one player in 'crunch time' can you? How about missed free throws, four different players had a hand in that, a 95% guy, an 85%, an 80% and a 73% guy ALL miss free throws in a critical stretch, and lookee there, we lose by 4. Lately, in late game situations, the Kings have been letting the defense dictate what shots they will take....and they haven't been making them.

 

[SacKings384]

Yeesh... Why do you take this as an attack? You totally take over offense to what was said... I never said it was Webbers fault... And it's not just this game. I know your upset that the team lost, but you have to take the critisism in stride. He DOES force the ball up in late games, he DOES stop the flow of the offense when the team gets down in the fourth quarter, I was simply bringing it up for discussion... And no I'm not even going to try and lay this one squarely on Webbs shoulders... Webb played great tonight, and he played well, but he has been doing it in other games, if you haven't seen it you aren't watching the games. Not only that, I never said I was the BIGGEST, I said I am one of the biggest... Here "I am a big Webber supporter"" There... Happy?

 

[VF21]

bojan - In fact, Webber took TWO three shots in the closing seconds and made them both. They called the first shot a two, however, saying his foot was on the line - which it didn't look like to me. He made the second one very cleanly. It was a drawn-up play, and not something Webber just decided to do on his own.

 

[KP]

Webbs already hit more late game 3's this year than Peja has his whole career. Mike hasn't made any this year either, Thats why he's taking them! What the hell do Golden State announcers know about winning anyways??

 

[KP]

Um...waht the hell are you guys talking about? Webber absolutely CARRIED this team down the stretch, hit the shots, made the passes. Damn near hit BACK-To-BACK threes there in the last 30 seconds. If ANYBODY else had stepped up similarly, we would be talking about how we barely managed to escape.

Brick as usual you make way to much sense to be posting here!

 

[VF21]

Yeesh... Why do you take this as an attack? You totally take over offense to what was said... I never said it was Webbers fault... And it's not just this game. I know your upset that the team lost, but you have to take the critisism in stride. He DOES force the ball up in late games, he DOES stop the flow of the offense when the team gets down in the fourth quarter, I was simply bringing it up for discussion...

Excuse me? You made comments about Webber so I replied. I, in fact, am not overly upset about this loss. Your comments are wrong, so I said so, especially about tonight's game...

Your "criticism" would be appropriate if it was relevant to what we're discussing right now, which is tonight's game...

 

[Kingsgurl]

I

didn't see the game but I saw the pbp. Why did our PF take the three pointer?

Um, cause he was open, he could make it, or at least attempt it without freaking out, and we didn't want to brick it off the side of the backboard, near as I can guess.

 

[Bricklayer]

I don't care whether they were drawn up or not frankly -- we have a guy taking and hitting late shots. That's a good thing, whether the name is Bibby, Webber whoever. There was NO time left. We needed to score baskets and quick -- there was no time to "run the offense", there were less than 30 seconds to go and we were down by 6. That's a very simple situation -- you have a shot, you have balls, you step up and try to drain it.

Hats off to Webb for trying to save our bacon.

 

[VF21]

Yeesh... Why do you take this as an attack? You totally take over offense to what was said... I never said it was Webbers fault... And it's not just this game. I know your upset that the team lost, but you have to take the critisism in stride. He DOES force the ball up in late games, he DOES stop the flow of the offense when the team gets down in the fourth quarter, I was simply bringing it up for discussion... And no I'm not even going to try and lay this one squarely on Webbs shoulders... Webb played great tonight, and he played well, but he has been doing it in other games, if you haven't seen it you aren't watching the games. Not only that, I never said I was the BIGGEST, I said I am one of the biggest... Here "I am a big Webber supporter"" There... Happy?

WEbber played great tonight but he has been doing "it in other games"? WTF? We're not talking about other games, and - BTW - you're pretty much wrong on that take, too.

I'd advise you not to take you cues on Webber discussions from our opponent's broadcast crew. They generally aren't up to date on all things Kings...

 

[Kingsgurl]

I wonder abut the timing of a post like this....Webber in late game situations? Why not Team Defense in WHOLE game situations? Oh yeah, because that isn't any one players fault.

 

[shaka zulu]

The kings right now are not playing as a team it is hard for a coach to get across a message to his players when there is a hidden agenda deep hidden animosity and resentment towards one another. I like the attitude chris webber has had of late but to me he seems to be pressing to hard to try to be the MAN and he is on a mission to try to prove to the nay sayers that he is still ALL WORLD type player and he is and has been doing this in expense of the TEAM not just now but the whole season.what fans don't overstand is that there is a subtle part of the game of Basketball that is being played at the same time as the apparent process. alot of Basketball watchers just see the stats 20-10-and 5 but fail to see the unseen things working and this part of the Game is what wins championships is what makes the Larry bird's magic johnson's and michael jordan's and this being able not to just see the play develop but the whole game develop making the right moves in sync it is being able to sacrifice for the Good of the TEAM on the highest level of the Game devoid of ehat your personal accomplishments and STATS look like or what everyone else think of you,the bottom line being WINNING.

That game is the intentions of what the player is really attempting to do people just see the late 3's the early steals the 20+ points the illusion of a player using his strong will to prove to everyone that I am the man and I did my part.Those things are decieving and can fool alot of people but what I see is clear cut playa hating going on between peja and webber and their inabilty to play with one another and you see through plays such as webber finding peja for easy lay up and peja blowing the layup. it's all in the vibration Peja for some reason keeps blowing Webber's assists and I don't think's a lack of concentration but a lack of team cooperation,peja is not allowing webber to reward him and when this happens webber doesn't get his assists.There was several times I seen peja open in the game and webber electing to take the shot instead.

And it is not just chris webber but mike bibby has some strange thang going on too he seems disinterested on the floor he seems to be focusing on something outside of basketball and I think it is effecting his defense double and offensively too.He seems to only want to play pick n roll with webber and when he has the rock directing the posession he only uses on side of the floor.

Brad miller is another one that is just looking at one side of the floor he gets the rock everytime and forces the offense to one side of the court and what he is doing is telegraphing the entire set not only is there a turnover but there is a jammed offensive posession to be able to swing the ball to the other side of the floor which either creates a hurried forced shot against the 24 or a tourover forced pass if he decides to swing the rock to the other side.what he is failing to do is set peja up which I see him not doing he will pass the rock to his new friend on the team songalia or even evnas before Peja gets the rock.

Doug I feel is the only one that is trying to get everyone involved and I see know hidden agenda with him,he seems to want to make everyone better players.

Peja right now is running around looking like a lost sheep he is not getting the ball as much as he did last season his stats are down in every major category and he doesn't seem like he is that same player as last season,you can talk about the rest all you want and him not practicing the way he once did,but I don't think that this the case and you can also say well he needs to take intiative on his own but if he is not the leader that is not his job to make everyone better.Great players elevate the play of there teamates it's not about your scoring average or your defensive play and what you are doing personally for your own game.Great players inspire their guy's to play at the highest level of what they can do and if peja is not the leader or best all around player then whoever it is on the TEAM needs to help PEJA paly to his strengths which is score the basketball which he is not doing to help his TEAM at this time.

 

[scarlet_steph]

Yeesh... Why do you take this as an attack? You totally take over offense to what was said... I never said it was Webbers fault... And it's not just this game. I know your upset that the team lost, but you have to take the critisism in stride. He DOES force the ball up in late games, he DOES stop the flow of the offense when the team gets down in the fourth quarter, I was simply bringing it up for discussion... And no I'm not even going to try and lay this one squarely on Webbs shoulders... Webb played great tonight, and he played well, but he has been doing it in other games, if you haven't seen it you aren't watching the games. Not only that, I never said I was the BIGGEST, I said I am one of the biggest... Here "I am a big Webber supporter"" There... Happy?

I see where you're coming from, but you did seem like you were blaming Webber for the loss. Sorry if you think we misunderstood you, but we've had so many blame players type threads here in the past so it is kind of sickening already.

With regards to stupid shots made by Webber...here's my take: he takes them because he's the only one open. You can't give the ball to Peja because he's being guarded heavily...and Mike as well...that's because they are known to be the go-to guys at crunch time. Webb doesn't get heavily guarded until he goes in the lane, so technically, outside, he's as free as a bird. Lastly, the shots look stupid because A. we aren't used to seeing Webb takes those shots and B. he isn't as used to taking those shots himself. But hey, at least he can make some of them....imagine Shaq taking a shot like that...or KMart... they'd look funny too.

 

[Kingsgurl]

Oh God, just kill me now. You know, I went down on the floor after that game, met Maurice Evans Dad, George, who is really excited about his son. I must have missed the knife fight in the tunnel, because they all seemed to be getting along famously, despite the loss. They have obviously missed their calling, they should be actors, not Basketball players.
As an aside, I had no idea that 'CWebbs Crew" the group of underpriveledged, at risk youth he sponsers to every home game, get to actually go into the tunnel and meet with Chris after the game.

 

[KP]

The kings right now are not playing as a team it is hard for a coach to get across a message to his players when there is a hidden agenda deep hidden animosity and resentment towards one another. I like the attitude chris webber has had of late but to me he seems to be pressing to hard to try to be the MAN and he is on a mission to try to prove to the nay sayers that he is still ALL WORLD type player and he is and has been doing this in expense of the TEAM not just now but the whole season.what fans don't overstand is that there is a subtle part of the game of Basketball that is being played at the same time as the apparent process. alot of Basketball watchers just see the stats 20-10-and 5 but fail to see the unseen things working and this part of the Game is what wins championships is what makes the Larry bird's magic johnson's and michael jordan's and this being able not to just see the play develop but the whole game develop making the right moves in sync it is being able to sacrifice for the Good of the TEAM on the highest level of the Game devoid of ehat your personal accomplishments and STATS look like or what everyone else think of you,the bottom line being WINNING.

That game is the intentions of what the player is really attempting to do people just see the late 3's the early steals the 20+ points the illusion of a player using his strong will to prove to everyone that I am the man and I did my part.Those things are decieving and can fool alot of people but what I see is clear cut playa hating going on between peja and webber and their inabilty to play with one another and you see through plays such as webber finding peja for easy lay up and peja blowing the layup. it's all in the vibration Peja for some reason keeps blowing Webber's assists and I don't think's a lack of concentration but a lack of team cooperation,peja is not allowing webber to reward him and when this happens webber doesn't get his assists.There was several times I seen peja open in the game and webber electing to take the shot instead.

And it is not just chris webber but mike bibby has some strange thang going on too he seems disinterested on the floor he seems to be focusing on something outside of basketball and I think it is effecting his defense double and offensively too.He seems to only want to play pick n roll with webber and when he has the rock directing the posession he only uses on side of the floor.

Brad miller is another one that is just looking at one side of the floor he gets the rock everytime and forces the offense to one side of the court and what he is doing is telegraphing the entire set not only is there a turnover but there is a jammed offensive posession to be able to swing the ball to the other side of the floor which either creates a hurried forced shot against the 24 or a tourover forced pass if he decides to swing the rock to the other side.what he is failing to do is set peja up which I see him not doing he will pass the rock to his new friend on the team songalia or even evnas before Peja gets the rock.

Doug I feel is the only one that is trying to get everyone involved and I see know hidden agenda with him,he seems to want to make everyone better players.

Peja right now is running around looking like a lost sheep he is not getting the ball as much as he did last season his stats are down in every major category and he doesn't seem like he is that same player as last season,you can talk about the rest all you want and him not practicing the way he once did,but I don't think that this the case and you can also say well he needs to take intiative on his own but if he is not the leader that is not his job to make everyone better.Great players elevate the play of there teamates it's not about your scoring average or your defensive play and what you are doing personally for your own game.Great players inspire their guy's to play at the highest level of what they can do and if peja is not the leader or best all around player then whoever it is on the TEAM needs to help PEJA paly to his strengths which is score the basketball which he is not doing to help his TEAM at this time.

Hmmm... Some good points, some bad points. Don't know about animosity between Webb and Peja. But Mike does seem to be a little lost as well as Peja at times. Got to disagree about Doug though, he's been turning the ball over at an alarming rate lately.I Think the guys will turn it around it's only December after all...

 

[**KInGs^RoYalTy**]

cwebb needs to start posting in the low post....thats where hes best

 

[KP]

cwebb needs to start posting in the low post....thats where hes best

Ok you can just kill me now too!!!!

 

[VF21]

Oh geez... Webber posting in the low post or not isn't the bleeping problem.

The animosity crap between Webber and Pedja was overstated to begin with, and it's OVER. To say that Webber has been trying to prove himself the man at the expense of the team is just idiotic...

 

[scarlet_steph]

As an aside, I had no idea that 'CWebbs Crew" the group of underpriveledged, at risk youth he sponsers to every home game, get to actually go into the tunnel and meet with Chris after the game.

REALLY? I thought they just get to go to games...that's so sweet of Chris...

Kingsgurl, don't get yourself killed just yet... we have to go to VF's Eartquake Survival Party.

 

[6th]

REALLY? I thought they just get to go to games...that's so sweet of Chris...

Kingsgurl, don't get yourself killed just yet... we have to go to VF's Eartquake Survival Party.

ROFLMAO!!! Thanks, steph. That was just too funny. BTW - I cannot make it to the party, but have forwarded my gift.

 

[**KInGs^RoYalTy**]

this could be a good wake-up call for the kings....they still have to play D even against bad teams, or there going to make the teams like the warriors look good

 

[**KInGs^RoYalTy**]

beating the spurs next home game will make me feel much better, but there really going to have to step there D up.

 

[scarlet_steph]

ROFLMAO!!! Thanks, steph. That was just too funny. BTW - I cannot make it to the party, but have forwarded my gift.

Awww...I'll miss you 6th!

 

[shaka zulu]

Oh geez... Webber posting in the low post or not isn't the bleeping problem.

The animosity crap between Webber and Pedja was overstated to begin with, and it's OVER. To say that Webber has been trying to prove himself the man at the expense of the team is just idiotic...

if you have ever played the Game of basketball or have ever played team sports than you would overstand the subtle part of the game the hidden things,this animosity is not in clear view to be seen it's hidden it's swept under the rug,there is alot of levels to competition than what you see with your eyes,players talk about esp on the court all the time Magic talked about it alot and what is going on is the riff between peja and chris webber and who is the MAN. The riff was blown under the rug for the media and fans,But if you overstand the game you see that riff spilling over with pejas deflated play and the TEAM as a whole not reaching the success that should be there's.