Webb w/16 rebounds??

[VF21]

YOu're right about one thing. No one can predict what is going to happen in the future. But that certainly didn't stop a lot of people - including a number on this board - from writing Webber off, saying he would no longer be able to be productive, that his best years were completely over, etc. They called him a cripple, a hasbeen, a washout, etc.

Now that time has passed and their assessment can be reviewed, I guess those of us who did think Webber could still be valuable are just supposed to keep quiet?

Whatever.

Petrie made a decision that may affect this franchise for years. IF it turns out he was wrong or at least premature in that decision, which is what a number of us are actually discussing, then we certainly should be able to say so.

Look at Webber and then look at KT, Corliss and Skinner. Use whatever ruler or scale you like. You cannot, at least at this moment in time, say the trade was good for the Kings...

It's not lamenting or whining, unless of course you're on the other side.

 

[love_them_kings]

He looks way better, Scoop Jackson and the rise guys even admitted they were a little wrong about him this morning(I almost drove off the road) They were hammering him and saying he was done before the season started. Last night he actually got a rebound, ran the break all the way down the floor(quickly), passed it to AI2, and got it back and finished it off. He was scoring inside and going to the basket hard. He had 28, 16, and 5 on 58% shooting. He's even been blocking shots, he had a nice rejection last night. C-Webb looks like he has lost some weight, and it's helped. Philly has won 5 straight and is in 1st place.

lol... glad I didn't hear that while I was driving I probably would have crashed! Glad to hear he's looking better, and I agree, I think the weight loss is probably healthy.

 

[love_them_kings]

Look at Webber and then look at KT, Corliss and Skinner. Use whatever ruler or scale you like. You cannot, at least at this moment in time, say the trade was good for the Kings...

And that is it, in a nutshell. Look at the stats, and look at the passion and leadership that's lacking on our team, and right now the trade looks (IMHO) like a disaster so far. Now look forward 1 1/2 years when some of our contracts (Williamson & Skinner) come off the books, and Webb's contract is suddenly a huge asset for teams who want to dump salaries. Look forward another year when Webb's contract would be gone and we are still saddled with KT's contract. As far as I can see, this year is the window of opportunity where this trade could make sense, and so far, it's just not adding up.

Yeah, if Webb goes down this year, you could almost call it a wash. Although I could argue that having Webb on the bench cheering the team on would be just as productive as having the other 3 on the bench. But if he stays healthy (which I hope he does) then I don't see how people can think this trade worked. Last night I heard an announcer call Webb & AI the "Best duo in basketball". Hmm... it used to be nice, didn't it?

All in all, I think this trade was based on fear. Fear of Webb's health, and fear that Pedja would leave. Unfortunately, I think that the fear led to a bad decision that this franchise is paying for.

 

[RoyalDiva]

I agree that what we received wasn't that great, no argument from me there at all! But in reality, who could we of gotten that was better? Understandably few takers for Webber at last year's point.

 

[VF21]

I agree that what we received wasn't that great, no argument from me there at all! But in reality, who could we of gotten that was better? Understandably few takers for Webber at last year's point.

And that's the crux of the matter.

The trade WASN'T mandatory. It was a decision made because of a large contract and fear of future injury. If Webb is able to play out one more year, then his contract would have been worth keeping in terms of evaluating that particular trade.

Webber was PLAYER OF THE MONTH right before he was traded. His performance wasn't the problem. There were a myriad of other problems, including personnel issues we'll never completely know about, that probably played a part in the ultimate decision to trade Webber. The other choice might have been to trade Peja, but that clearly didn't happen.

And that's the thing we'll never know for sure. What might have happened had PEJA been the one to go, with the acquisition of perhaps another defensive-minded player?

Financial considerations aside, trading Webber was not the only choice in addressing the team weaknesses.

 

[love_them_kings]

And that's the crux of the matter.

The trade WASN'T mandatory. It was a decision made because of a large contract and fear of future injury. If Webb is able to play out one more year, then his contract would have been worth keeping in terms of evaluating that particular trade.

Webber was PLAYER OF THE MONTH right before he was traded. His performance wasn't the problem. There were a myriad of other problems, including personnel issues we'll never completely know about, that probably played a part in the ultimate decision to trade Webber. The other choice might have been to trade Peja, but that clearly didn't happen.

And that's the thing we'll never know for sure. What might have happened had PEJA been the one to go, with the acquisition of perhaps another defensive-minded player?

Financial considerations aside, trading Webber was not the only choice in addressing the team weaknesses.

exactly. one minute Webb is player of the month and saying things like "nothing but a championship will do" and the next he is traded off in a situation that looks and feels like a desperation trade. And what exactly made trading him at that moment so critical?

At the time I remember thinking that the only thing that could explain it was 1) the powers to be knew something about Webb's health we didn't or 2) there was more to the Peja situation then we knew. Well, healthwise, obviously he held out till summer, and that's all that mattered. Does anyone really think that if we had waited till summer we could have gotten LESS for him?

So, I was tempted to believe that the Peja situation had more to do with the trade than anyone let on. Peja's coming out immediately after the trade to say he wanted to stay in Sac did nothing to dispel my belief.

And, here we are. If the powers to be had to pick between Peja and Webb to carry the team, I think they made the wrong choice. Peja just doesn't have the personality....or the desire.

 

[SacTownKid]

And this point has been made before, but at the end of next year, when Corliss and Skinner's deals are up, Webb's contract would be a huge ASSET as a gigantic ending deal.

We gained absolutely nothing financially unless these pieces are moved in packages. At the moment we have also gained absolutely nothing on the court either. Only hope for Petrie not to have flat out ****ed up is for one or more of the Philly trio to be shipped out for someone interesting.

Webb has a player option next year!!! And WHEN he accepts it, the final year gets guaranteed. So his contract will run to the 2008-09 season.

AKA, no ending contract next year folks.

Also Webber wasn't moved because he wasn't good anymore, but the reality was, with the combined contracts of the team, we would never have been able to build a solid team.

 

[Bricklayer]

Webb has a player option next year!!! And WHEN he accepts it, the final year gets guaranteed. So his contract will run to the 2008-09 season.

AKA, no ending contract next year folks.

Also Webber wasn't moved because he wasn't good anymore, but the reality was, with the combined contracts of the team, we would never have been able to build a solid team.

I can't confirm or dispute your first statemnt, as that's the first time I've heard that claim.

The second one though is ridiculous because WE STILL HAVE WEBB"S ENTIRE CONTRACT ON THE PAYROLL, only now its doing nothing but taking up roster space and picking up splinters. Building a solid team my ***.

 

[SacTownKid]

I can't confirm or dispute your first statemnt, as that's the first time I've heard that claim.

The second one though is ridiculous because WE STILL HAVE WEBB"S ENTIRE CONTRACT ON THE PAYROLL, only now its doing nothing but taking up roster space and picking up splinters. Building a solid team my ***.

Hmm. I guess I disagree. I think K9, Skinner, and Corliss will all have worth. Of course time will tell. All I know is that I don't think we could have aquired anything to put around Webber, Miller, Peja, and Bibby of any value. Kind of a countdown to exinction mentality with that team.

BTW: Go here for Webbs contract info:

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/philadelphia.htm

All I ever heard from the media about Webber's contract when he was traded was that he had 3 years and 60 + million remaining when we traded him. I thought it was common knowledge.

If he was expiring next year then we truly would have been screwed. Hey maybe he'll turn down his player option. You never know...

 

[Bricklayer]

Hmm. I guess I disagree. I think K9, Skinner, and Corliss will all have worth. Of course time will tell. All I know is that I don't think we could have aquired anything to put around Webber, Miller, Peja, and Bibby of any value. Kind of a countdown to exinction mentality with that team.

BTW: Go here for Webbs contract info:

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/philadelphia.htm

All I ever heard from the media about Webber's contract when he was traded was that he had 3 years and 60 + million remaining when we traded him. I thought it was common knowledge.

If he was expiring next year then we truly would have been screwed. Hey maybe he'll turn down his player option. You never know...

He did have 3 yrs $60mil left. This is yr1. Next yr will be yr2. Then he will be a giant expiring contract next summer that can be traded to a team looking for cap room or kept for the relief. Either way, at MOST we gain 1 yr with 2/3 of Webb's contract, and LOSE two years with the other 1/3(KT).

Note, Bonzi could have been added no problem to that lineup you posted. Bibby/Bonzi/Peja/Webber/Miller. And we still would have had our midlevel to possibly resign Cat as a 6th man? Or could we still have signed SAR as a 6th man? bring back darius and Mo? Who knows? But the cubbard was far from bare, and options were aplenty. And far more potent than three duplicative benchers having zero impact.

Mentioned before, trading Webb was one thing. Trading Webb for what we got was quite another. That was trading him just to trade him. Which was stupid (unless it was done to pander to Peja in which case it was even more stupid).

 

[SacTownKid]

I have a question. How easy will it be to trade Chris as an expiring contract?

20 + million dollars is a lot of money in one guy. I wonder how teams will be able to come up with a package to balance it out?

 

[Bricklayer]

I have a question. How easy will it be to trade Chris as an expiring contract?

20 + million dollars is a lot of money in one guy. I wonder how teams will be able to come up with a package to balance it out?

An interesting question, but wouldn't think it would be that hard. Especially depends on who is out there ont he free agent market that summer -- Webb could be a one-trade ticket to offering some guy the max for a team at or around the cap.

 

[captain bill]

I have a question. How easy will it be to trade Chris as an expiring contract?

20 + million dollars is a lot of money in one guy. I wonder how teams will be able to come up with a package to balance it out?

A lot. There are always teams looking to unload salaries, and Webb is a great value to get in exchange, even deteriorated- barring, of course, some major future injury. Imagine if we had the opportunity to unload some long contracts for an expiring former superstar. You would do it in a heartbeat.

 

[Zyphen]

All you need is the Knicks coming to the table. They get Webber and become our catalyst for trading with other teams.

 

[mcsluggo]

Yes, how dare GP not consult a crystal ball in this matter last year!

Sarcasm over, there could be a lot of factors as to why CWebb is playing better now. It's not a black-and-white issue.

I believe it IS a fairly black and white issue that webb was then/is now a superior player to the flotsom he was traded for