Webb w/16 rebounds??

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Wow, Webb had 16 rebounds and 28 points last night ( on 11/19 shooting)! Great to see him getting the rebounds! I always check the box score but I haven't actually seen him play this year. How does his knee look? Does anyone know if he actually looks healthier than last year?
 
love_them_kings said:
Wow, Webb had 16 rebounds and 28 points last night ( on 11/19 shooting)! Great to see him getting the rebounds! I always check the box score but I haven't actually seen him play this year. How does his knee look? Does anyone know if he actually looks healthier than last year?
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He looks way better, Scoop Jackson and the rise guys even admitted they were a little wrong about him this morning(I almost drove off the road) They were hammering him and saying he was done before the season started. Last night he actually got a rebound, ran the break all the way down the floor(quickly), passed it to AI2, and got it back and finished it off. He was scoring inside and going to the basket hard. He had 28, 16, and 5 on 58% shooting. He's even been blocking shots, he had a nice rejection last night. C-Webb looks like he has lost some weight, and it's helped. Philly has won 5 straight and is in 1st place.
 
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he's had a coupla rough games so far, but on the whole, he looks great. i reallllllly hope it holds up for him.
 
I must admit I haven't watched Sixers as much as I hoped to. They lost first three games, but they are currently on a 5-0 run. Webb's stats look great. What I would like to know from someone who has watched him play since the season started is this: Is he playing so well because he is healing and he is in better shape now then last year or is he adjusting his game and becoming more of a wily old vet out there? If it's latter and Sixers get the benefit of that over the next 2 years and draw on it like we did with Vlade, I am going to be very bitter and resentfull towards GP. Oh, wait, I already am. never mind.
 
I've watched Webb a number of times this year and yes, he looks a lot better with respect to his general movement. However, he still struggles with his lateral movement and has not recaptured any of his explosiveness.
 
Diabeticwonder said:
I've watched Webb a number of times this year and yes, he looks a lot better with respect to his general movement. However, he still struggles with his lateral movement and has not recaptured any of his explosiveness.
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I would agree he still can't finish or rotate over on D like he used to, I think it's a combo of him moving a little better, and fitting in with his teams overall scheme. Shooting 91% from the line is also helping his ppg numbers.
 
bozzwell said:
I must admit I haven't watched Sixers as much as I hoped to. They lost first three games, but they are currently on a 5-0 run. Webb's stats look great. What I would like to know from someone who has watched him play since the season started is this: Is he playing so well because he is healing and he is in better shape now then last year or is he adjusting his game and becoming more of a wily old vet out there? If it's latter and Sixers get the benefit of that over the next 2 years and draw on it like we did with Vlade, I am going to be very bitter and resentfull towards GP. Oh, wait, I already am. never mind.
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i think its a bit of both. i've caught a few of the sixers games, and he's looked great. he still lacks lateral movement, and gets beat pretty consistently by the more athletic PF's in the nba, but he's shed some pounds, and is moving the length of the court much faster then I remember in recent history. it seems like he's jumping a bit higher, too. he's definitely no where near as explosive as he once was, and he never will be. but he's making the best out of what his body is willing to give, and i think everybody can appreciate that fact.
 
Well, it's a good thing we don't have to pay his salary, since it killed the Sixer's ability to resign their guys. Oh wait, no it didn't. They still kept their guys like Delambert. If the net effect of last year's personnel moves does not somehow end with either Kobe or KG, or some other HOF perennial MVP candidate on a currently atrocious team, in a Kings uniform I will be irate.
 
Venom said:
Well, it's a good thing we don't have to pay his salary, since it killed the Sixer's ability to resign their guys. Oh wait, no it didn't. They still kept their guys like Delambert. If the net effect of last year's personnel moves does not somehow end with either Kobe or KG, or some other HOF perennial MVP candidate on a currently atrocious team, in a Kings uniform I will be irate.
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Well, they have pretty much no flexibility now. The Sixers team you see, is the one you get for a few more years. If they aren't a "contender" now, they won't become one.

Webber has looked really good in some games, and horrid in others. He dropped a good 15 pounds in the offseason and looks much lighter. He isn't a "quick" player, but was he ever really? I mean, I have always thought he didn't lose all that much with the knee injury, because he never relied on his athleticism as much as others with similar injuries. I don't understand all the talk about him sucking, I mean he SHOULD have been an All-Star just before we traded him.

Anyway, he is still shooting a very low %, but a few more games like that one and it should go up.
 
Webb just got something like 21-8-7 today. He is still the triple double threat that he was all last season- the only time that he ever showed any real decline in his game was immediately after the trade to Philly when he didn't gel with the team right away. Obviously, the guy is on the downside of his career, but he doesn't seem to be declining any more than average. Years of pro ball wear on all players, and the Kings new it when the contract was signed. He is still a phenomenal value, and is sure as hell worth more than Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson and Brian Skinner. Sac needs to pull of some major moves to redeem for this.
 
That's 6 in a row for the Sixers. And they haven't even had their young stud starting center. Iggy looks great. Be a certian amount of sad irony if Webb actually ended up getting traded to the better team.

Still don't think they can go anywhere because they just cannot seem to play any defense. Have to see whether Dalmebert can fix that.
 
G_M said:
The Kings will get there especially if they get the Raptors back to back.
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We'll see. We just had the 0-5 Knicks and the Albany Patroons or whoever that squad of trianing camp fodder was we played last night back to back, AT ARCO, and we came out of it 1-1. We managed to score all of 67 points or whatever against the New Orleans Hornets. We're real terrors.
 
Bricklayer said:
We'll see. We just had the 0-5 Knicks and the Albany Patroons or whoever that squad of trianing camp fodder was we played last night back to back, AT ARCO, and we came out of it 1-1. We managed to score all of 67 points or whatever against the New Orleans Hornets. We're real terrors.
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I'm in no way endorsing the current state of the Kings! I'm not riding that horse. I'm simply pointing out that the Raptors haven't won yet and dropping 121 on them is akin to beating the training camp fodder from last night.

As an aside I do believe that if Webber were on the team we would be marginally better at this point. However, as you are fond of pointing out the teams "real" needs especially any type of toughness in the paint would still be lacking.
 
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Venom said:
Well, it's a good thing we don't have to pay his salary, since it killed the Sixer's ability to resign their guys. Oh wait, no it didn't. They still kept their guys like Delambert. If the net effect of last year's personnel moves does not somehow end with either Kobe or KG, or some other HOF perennial MVP candidate on a currently atrocious team, in a Kings uniform I will be irate.
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We are still paying his salary - we're just paying it to Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson and Brian Skinner.

Next year, when his huge albatross contract is an ending year salary, we'll still have all three of the "flexible trading pieces" on the books...

Just setting the record straight. I've moved on ...
 
VF21 said:
We are still paying his salary - we're just paying it to Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson and Brian Skinner.

Next year, when his huge albatross contract is an ending year salary, we'll still have all three of the "flexible trading pieces" on the books...

Just setting the record straight. I've moved on ...
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It was my understanding that Corliss contract is up next year and the Kings have the option on Skinner's contrcat in 07. So, the only real albatross is KT's contract.
 
Iguodala was tremendous tonight. Against Toronto or not - loved it.

Again vs. Toronto or not, it's great to see Webb playing well.
 
G_M said:
It was my understanding that Corliss contract is up next year and the Kings have the option on Skinner's contrcat in 07. So, the only real albatross is KT's contract.
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And this point has been made before, but at the end of next year, when Corliss and Skinner's deals are up, Webb's contract would be a huge ASSET as a gigantic ending deal.

We gained absolutely nothing financially unless these pieces are moved in packages. At the moment we have also gained absolutely nothing on the court either. Only hope for Petrie not to have flat out ****ed up is for one or more of the Philly trio to be shipped out for someone interesting.
 
VF21 said:
We are still paying his salary - we're just paying it to Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson and Brian Skinner.

Next year, when his huge albatross contract is an ending year salary, we'll still have all three of the "flexible trading pieces" on the books...

Just setting the record straight. I've moved on ...
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Just shoot me now. We're not going to win a thing anyway this year, but we could have had a 20 mil in cap releif to trade away next season?!?

This is completely redundant, but even in fantasy basketball *that* trade does not work.

P.S. I don't want to move on. I am not going to let anyone of the hook. How do you go from beatifull basketball to _this_ in a space of one year? I dont care what that Breton guy wrote, I want my KINGS back.
 
bozzwell said:
Just shoot me now. We're not going to win a thing anyway this year, but we could have had a 20 mil in cap releif to trade away next season?!?

This is completely redundant, but even in fantasy basketball *that* trade does not work.

P.S. I don't want to move on. I am not going to let anyone of the hook. How do you go from beatifull basketball to _this_ in a space of one year? I dont care what that Breton guy wrote, I want my KINGS back.
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I continue to be torn between these alternatives:

1) Geoff f-ed up, and knows it, but of course can/will never say unless it be in his memoirs one day.
2) There is some sort of grander masterplan which we are in the midst of but cannot recognize yet.
3) There WAS some sort of grander plan, but it has been derailed by circumstance and miscalculation (getting Nene for Cat for instance, or thinking/assuming that KT was actually movable). Of course this would still fall under the Geoff f-ed up rubric, but at least have the benefit of there having BEEN a plan at one point.
4) Geoff f-ed up and DOESN'T know it and revels in a team of softies with no leaders or personalities to worry about. A "perfect" team for an offensive purist who's priorities and judgment have become skewed. This would also fall under the Geoff may one day have to be fired if we hope to win category.
 
Bricklayer said:
I continue to be torn between these alternatives:

1) Geoff f-ed up, and knows it, but of course can/will never say unless it be in his memoirs one day.
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This certainly isn't it. Grant Napear (and you know he's ALWAYS right) today went on a mini-rant about Geoff Petrie basically doing a happy dance of glee when he was finally able to unload that piece of garbage.

The fervor with which he described the scene would lead one to believe that he'd witnessed the jig first-hand.
 
bozzwell said:
P.S. I don't want to move on. I am not going to let anyone of the hook. How do you go from beatifull basketball to _this_ in a space of one year? I dont care what that Breton guy wrote, I want my KINGS back.
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It's like living in a beautiful home in the mountains. Sure, it gets cold sometimes and the roads turn impassable and you think about moving, but then everything goes right again and you remember just why you like your home so much.

Then, one day, a fire comes along and totally destroys your home. Poof. It's gone. All you have left are the memories. You can rebuild, but it won't be the same. It will be forever different ... and you have to move on or go insane trying to live in the past.

That's where we as Kings fans are at this point in time. Those KINGS are forever gone, as much as the house that was consumed by flames. Yes, a new team will eventually emerge and hopefully it will be a team we can continue to believe in and support but it won't be THAT team.

(Feel free to hum "For one brief shining moment there was Camelot". Pay no attention to the sobbing in the background.)

;)
 
Until Webber plays at least 72 games each year until his contract is up, you can't say trading him was a failure. It was a calculated risk. He's injury-prone and making a lot of money.

I think we would have kept him, even in his current state if we had a guarantee that he wouldn't go down.

Bricklayer said:
I continue to be torn between these alternatives:

1) Geoff f-ed up, and knows it, but of course can/will never say unless it be in his memoirs one day.
2) There is some sort of grander masterplan which we are in the midst of but cannot recognize yet.
3) There WAS some sort of grander plan, but it has been derailed by circumstance and miscalculation (getting Nene for Cat for instance, or thinking/assuming that KT was actually movable). Of course this would still fall under the Geoff f-ed up rubric, but at least have the benefit of there having BEEN a plan at one point.
4) Geoff f-ed up and DOESN'T know it and revels in a team of softies with no leaders or personalities to worry about. A "perfect" team for an offensive purist who's priorities and judgment have become skewed. This would also fall under the Geoff may one day have to be fired if we hope to win category.
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bozzwell said:
I must admit I haven't watched Sixers as much as I hoped to. They lost first three games, but they are currently on a 5-0 run. Webb's stats look great. What I would like to know from someone who has watched him play since the season started is this: Is he playing so well because he is healing and he is in better shape now then last year or is he adjusting his game and becoming more of a wily old vet out there? If it's latter and Sixers get the benefit of that over the next 2 years and draw on it like we did with Vlade, I am going to be very bitter and resentfull towards GP. Oh, wait, I already am. never mind.
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Yes, how dare GP not consult a crystal ball in this matter last year!

Sarcasm over, there could be a lot of factors as to why CWebb is playing better now. It's not a black-and-white issue.
 
mr. moustache said:
I think we would have kept him, even in his current state if we had a guarantee that he wouldn't go down.
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yeah...cuz thats something you can guarantee in the nba. :rolleyes:

most of us aren't necessarily pissed about losing a guy who's now very injury prone (though i am one who believes an injury prone webber was more valuable to the kings then williamson/skinner/thomas altogether). we're pissed because we would have had a MAJOR ending contract to possibly trade away after this season or simply let run its course within the next two seasons. the kings would then actually be competitive in the free agent market, with a lot of cap space freed up. that is a HUGE deal. now, we'll be dumping our three smaller "flexible" salaries a little at a time, rather than all at once. the kings haven't been a force in the free agent market the past seven years, and we haven't needed to be with all of our success. the kings didn't win a championship in the webber/divac era, and that sucks, but the way great teams rebuild is to let their large contracts run out (spurs anyone?) so they can assert themselves in the free agent market.
 
RoyalDiva said:
Yes, how dare GP not consult a crystal ball in this matter last year!

Sarcasm over, there could be a lot of factors as to why CWebb is playing better now. It's not a black-and-white issue.
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Oh please...

Let's look at the record.

Chris Webber, when healthy, has CONSISTENTLY throughout his career, played well - you don't sneeze at a 20/10/5 career average.

Webber went down in Dallas, had a potentially career-ending injury, and was out for an extended period after surgery - as he worked diligently at rehab.

He came back mid-season, admittedly less than full strength, because he wanted to help his team. In hindsight, that might not have been the best decision but we can't rewrite history.

Last season, he was PLAYER OF THE MONTH just before he was traded. He was doing very well. He went to Philly, and struggled - NOT because of the knee but because of Jim O'Brien, getting used to new teammates, etc. In addition, he was still recuperating somewhat from the microsurgery, which was to be expected, considering the "experts" said it took over a year for optimum recovery.

Now, this season, he's probably as recovered as he's ever going to be and what happens? He's putting up excellent numbers, playing hard, existing with AI and, from all reports, doing everything he can to contribute to his new team.

The only thing different is that he's in a different uniform and the recuperation period for his surgery is pretty much complete. Other than that, he's pretty much the same he's always been.

As far as GP consulting a crystal ball, he shouldn't have to. He's the paid professional. The Webber trade wasn't about production. It was fears of another injury AND a decision to go in another direction. And, if Webb is able to stay relatively healthy, history is not going to smile on Petrie OR that trade.
 
Petrie made the best decision he could at THAT given moment. No one can predict what is going to happen in the future.

I just don't see the point or productivity of lamenting and whining about things we can't change now.
 
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