webb to detroit

[Kstat]

He made their winning shot yesterday. Granted some are saying he pushed off, but....oh well. Ref's didn't see it, it didn't happen. Once again he played a great game.

1. PJ brown wasn't boxing out and webb pushed him from the side. I've seen Tim Duncan get a thousand offensive rebounds with less "illegal" contact. It's PJ's fault for not boxing out. If he had, the Webber would have had to shove him in the back, which would have been an obvious foul.

2. Lindsey Hunter got shoved to the floor on the play after to free Gordon for the last shot too. Nobody mentions it because he missed.

 

[Daniela]

2. Lindsey Hunter got shoved to the floor on the play after to free Gordon for the last shot too. Nobody mentions it because he missed.

Yes!!! Thank you for reminding me about that one. I was yelling at the announcers about that one when it happened.

 

[TurkeyStraightUp]

While surfing the internet I came across this forum, and I see quite a few Chris Webber fans.

I've been a Pistons fan for years, so I thought I would give my take on him.

I LOVE THIS GUY........

Considering he's been reported to be a "slow, no defense, weak-kneed has-been who can't run and jump" his play since he became a starter for the Pistons has been WAY beyond my expectations.

He has, singlehandedly, brought this team back together from their previous I-don't-care-anymore attitude, and has brought them back into prominence.

Here are some team stats from the first 18 games as a starter:

Before Webber: 96.4pts scored, 94.2 pts. allowed, 2.2 pt. differential
After Webber: 96.8pts scored, 88.7 pts. allowed, 8.1 pt. differential------!!!!!

Before Webber: 20.1 assists, 6.5 stls, 45.4% Opp. FG%, 41.8 rbs, 11.8 TOs
After Webber: 22.9 assists, 7.4 stls, 44.1% Opp. FG%, 40.9 rbs, 11.4 TOs

Before Webber: 21-16 (0.567), 8 wins by double digits (38%)
After Webber: 15-3 (0.833), 8 wins by double digits (53%)

Chris Webber's stats over 18 games:

13.8pts on 56% shooting
3.1 assists
7.1 rebounds
30.4 minutes
3 double-doubles

He makes dazzling passes, he can jump and dunk, has great post moves, great hands, can actually defend, plus he has a great smile and he doesn't care whether he's a star or not.

I really believe this will rival the acquisition of Rasheed Wallace in 2004.

 

[VF21]

First, welcome to the board. We have one regular Pistons fan who posts here on occasion and we're always glad to welcome another.

You'll find a few Webber detractors here, but for the most part we remember him fondly.

Check out this thread for some video tributes to him. http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12601

Chris Webber is a true warrior King, which is what he was called around here by those who appreciated his love and respect for the game of basketball. I hope you enjoy watching him as much as we did.

 

[TurkeyStraightUp]

First, welcome to the board. We have one regular Pistons fan who posts here on occasion and we're always glad to welcome another.

You'll find a few Webber detractors here, but for the most part we remember him fondly.

Check out this thread for some video tributes to him. http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12601

Chris Webber is a true warrior King, which is what he was called around here by those who appreciated his love and respect for the game of basketball. I hope you enjoy watching him as much as we did.

Thanks, VF21. I'll check that out.

 

[Daniela]

Hey Turkey!!! Fellow Piston fan here by marriage. Kings first though...always.
But I watch the Pistons faithfully and enjoy their "team" ball more than anything. Webber is truly the addition they needed. It is great to see him succeeding and wanted and prodcutive. Can't wait for the next 26 games.

 

[TurkeyStraightUp]

Hey Turkey!!! Fellow Piston fan here by marriage. Kings first though...always.
But I watch the Pistons faithfully and enjoy their "team" ball more than anything. Webber is truly the addition they needed. It is great to see him succeeding and wanted and prodcutive. Can't wait for the next 26 games.

First Pistons fan by marriage I ever met!

Yes, I believe Chris will be the cornerstone of the Pistons' title run, just like Sheed was in 2004.

I think the toughest team for the Pistons to handle would be the Spurs. The Mavs, as great as they're playing right now, should be easier, and the Suns easier still.

 

[sloter]

While surfing the internet I came across this forum, and I see quite a few Chris Webber fans.

I've been a Pistons fan for years, so I thought I would give my take on him.

I LOVE THIS GUY........

Considering he's been reported to be a "slow, no defense, weak-kneed has-been who can't run and jump" his play since he became a starter for the Pistons has been WAY beyond my expectations.

He has, singlehandedly, brought this team back together from their previous I-don't-care-anymore attitude, and has brought them back into prominence.

Here are some team stats from the first 18 games as a starter:

Before Webber: 96.4pts scored, 94.2 pts. allowed, 2.2 pt. differential
After Webber: 96.8pts scored, 88.7 pts. allowed, 8.1 pt. differential------!!!!!

Before Webber: 20.1 assists, 6.5 stls, 45.4% Opp. FG%, 41.8 rbs, 11.8 TOs
After Webber: 22.9 assists, 7.4 stls, 44.1% Opp. FG%, 40.9 rbs, 11.4 TOs

Before Webber: 21-16 (0.567), 8 wins by double digits (38%)
After Webber: 15-3 (0.833), 8 wins by double digits (53%)

Chris Webber's stats over 18 games:

13.8pts on 56% shooting
3.1 assists
7.1 rebounds
30.4 minutes
3 double-doubles

He makes dazzling passes, he can jump and dunk, has great post moves, great hands, can actually defend, plus he has a great smile and he doesn't care whether he's a star or not.

I really believe this will rival the acquisition of Rasheed Wallace in 2004.

As a Pistons fan, you should probably rephrase your BEFORE / AFTER to BEFORE Webber and Billups to AFTER Webber and Billups. I don't know if I could agree that the Webber is "singlehandedly" responsible for the turnaround... You do realize that during that "lifeless" stretch you were missing your best player?
Regardless, Webber is playing really well and he is finally doing the things he should have been doing while he was in Sacramento (I am glad that he finally realized that he is better at setting up others and staying in the low post rather than chucking jumpshots, a role that he would not accept while he was with the Kings, hence the huge FG% improvement). Also, the move to make him play center instead of a PF is a brilliant one... until Shaq arrives.

Also, on this board you will find a lot of people who rooted for Miami against your team last year.

 

[BMiller52]

As a Pistons fan, you should probably rephrase your BEFORE / AFTER to BEFORE Webber and Billups to AFTER Webber and Billups. I don't know if I could agree that the Webber is "singlehandedly" responsible for the turnaround... You do realize that during that "lifeless" stretch you were missing your best player?
Regardless, Webber is playing really well and he is finally doing the things he should have been doing while he was in Sacramento (I am glad that he finally realized that he is better at setting up others and staying in the low post rather than chucking jumpshots, a role that he would not accept while he was with the Kings, hence the huge FG% improvement). Also, the move to make him play center instead of a PF is a brilliant one... until Shaq arrives.

Also, on this board you will find a lot of people who rooted for Miami against your team last year.

See I don't get how any Kings fan could EVER root for a Snaquille O'meal led team. Especially another 1 that plays 5 vs 8. Freaking D-Whistle getting all the calls in the POs...

 

[LPKingsFan]

See I don't get how any Kings fan could EVER root for a Snaquille O'meal led team. Especially another 1 that plays 5 vs 8. Freaking D-Whistle getting all the calls in the POs...

Rooted for Pistons in ECF, but between Shaq and Cuban in the Finals, I picked Shaq.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Webber was in the right for not accepting a lesser role with the Kings... One leg or not, he was still the best player on the team at that time, and furthermore, that team wasn't going to go anywhere unless Webber could be The Man.

On the Pistons, Webber is not the best player on the team, and does NOT have to be The Man, and that has taken a lot of pressure off of him, and allowed him to just play his game.

As far as Billups being the best player on that team, Rasheed Wallace is the best player on the Pistons, and has been for as long as he's been there. He's a do-everything player, and the only guy on that team that's a nightmare matchup for EVERYBODY.

 

[ramulus]

I personally think pistons have the most talented and cohesive starting lineup in the east. CWebb is def proving everybody wrong with his play and showing how valuable it is for a "Big" man to pass .

Dallas vs Detroit Finals seems realistic, but hey u never know !

 

[love_them_kings]

Webber was in the right for not accepting a lesser role with the Kings... One leg or not, he was still the best player on the team at that time, and furthermore, that team wasn't going to go anywhere unless Webber could be The Man.

On the Pistons, Webber is not the best player on the team, and does NOT have to be The Man, and that has taken a lot of pressure off of him, and allowed him to just play his game.

.

Agree completely. On the Kings, Webb was our best chance and he filled the role we needed him to. We needed a leader and Webb was the best man for the job.

Philly was just a disaster, and as a Webb fan it was painful to watch. Watching Webb on the Pistons it is great to see him fill a need that Detroit had and play the game he loves the way it is meant to be played.

 

[sloter]

Webber was in the right for not accepting a lesser role with the Kings... One leg or not, he was still the best player on the team at that time, and furthermore, that team wasn't going to go anywhere unless Webber could be The Man.

I disagree. He would have been of much more use to the team in the role that he has with the Pistons. I'm glad that he stopped smoking pot and finally figured out what he can and cannot do.

R Wallace could be the Pistons most valuable player, but Chauncey would be a VERY close second at worst (see NBA Finals MVP).

 

[sloter]

See I don't get how any Kings fan could EVER root for a Snaquille O'meal led team.

It always puzzled me too.

 

[Padrino]

I disagree. He would have been of much more use to the team in the role that he has with the Pistons. I'm glad that he stopped smoking pot and finally figured out what he can and cannot do.

R Wallace could be the Pistons most valuable player, but Chauncey would be a VERY close second at worst (see NBA Finals MVP).

that's bad form...even for you...

 

[sloter]

that's bad form...even for you...

I meant what he can and can not do on the court, but the other thing would not be far off. NCAA scandal, drugs problem, lying to the grand jury... but he sure is a warrior king.
And bad form or not, there is not a tinyest dose of subjectiveness in what I just wrote. Those are facts.

 

[VF21]

I meant what he can and can not do on the court, but the other thing would not be far off. NCAA scandal, drugs problem, lying to the grand jury... but he sure is a warrior king.
And bad form or not, there is not a tinyest dose of subjectiveness in what I just wrote. Those are facts.

Let it go. NOW. This is your last warning, and I'm sending it to you privately, too. Continue and you can find somewhere else to spew your hate. That's the end of it. Further posts in this vein are going to be deleted.

 

[TurkeyStraightUp]

As a Pistons fan, you should probably rephrase your BEFORE / AFTER to BEFORE Webber and Billups to AFTER Webber and Billups. I don't know if I could agree that the Webber is "singlehandedly" responsible for the turnaround... You do realize that during that "lifeless" stretch you were missing your best player?
Regardless, Webber is playing really well and he is finally doing the things he should have been doing while he was in Sacramento (I am glad that he finally realized that he is better at setting up others and staying in the low post rather than chucking jumpshots, a role that he would not accept while he was with the Kings, hence the huge FG% improvement). Also, the move to make him play center instead of a PF is a brilliant one... until Shaq arrives.

Also, on this board you will find a lot of people who rooted for Miami against your team last year.

Hmmmmm, it looks to me like there are more Shaq haters.

In any case, you're might be right about Billups, but even before he went down we were starting to lose games and play without spirit.

All I can say is that Chris Webber has been the instrument of the Pistons rejuvenation. It is very plain to see to someone who watched all of the Pistons games this season.

As far as Shaq, Pistons are not too worried, look at our big guys:

Rasheed Wallace 6'11
Dale Davis 6'11
Chris Webber 6'10
Nazr Mohammed 6'10
Antonio McDyess 6'9
Tayshaun Prince 6'9

I think we have enough bodies.......

 

[TurkeyStraightUp]

By the way, thanks guys for the nice welcome.

This is much more civilized than the ESPN forum........

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

A cockfight is more civilized than the ESPN forums.

 

[VF21]

By the way, thanks guys for the nice welcome.

This is much more civilized than the ESPN forum........

FYI? Not all of us are guys.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I disagree. He would have been of much more use to the team in the role that he has with the Pistons. I'm glad that he stopped smoking pot and finally figured out what he can and cannot do.

R Wallace could be the Pistons most valuable player, but Chauncey would be a VERY close second at worst (see NBA Finals MVP).

I didn't say anything about "most valuable." You said best player, and Wallace is the best player. That doesn't mean that he's the leader, or anything. Just like Webber, Wallace has excelled on that team precisely because he doesn't have to be The Man; Wallace is a player with Batman Talent, but a Robin personality, so he fits in great on the Pistons, where he doesn't have to be Batman; Webber is excelling for the same reasons, even though he's had a Batman personality for most of his career, he appears to accepted that he ain't Batman no more.

But Wallace is the best player on the Pistons... which isn't to say that he's the most valuable: the same way that Kobe Bryant was the best player on the Lakers throughout their title run in the early nineties, but Shaq was clearly the most valuable.

 

[TurkeyStraightUp]

FYI? Not all of us are guys.

OOPS......Well, "guys" in a generic, human kinda way.....

 

[TurkeyStraightUp]

But Wallace is the best player on the Pistons... which isn't to say that he's the most valuable: the same way that Kobe Bryant was the best player on the Lakers throughout their title run in the early nineties, but Shaq was clearly the most valuable.

Sheed is the best player for sure, but just too streaky.

Too bad he needs a tech to get motivated......

 

[Warhawk]

As far as Shaq, Pistons are not too worried, look at our big guys:

Rasheed Wallace 6'11
Dale Davis 6'11
Chris Webber 6'10
Nazr Mohammed 6'10
Antonio McDyess 6'9
Tayshaun Prince 6'9

I think we have enough bodies.......

Not too sure I'd go putting Price on Shaq....

And welcome. As you might have guessed, we pride ourselves on being a bit different than most other forums out there. Lots of members of the "fairer" sex here as well, and we try to keep it pretty family-friendly. Just looking for some intelligent conversations and none of that garbage you find elsewhere.

 

[BMiller52]

As far as the Pistons go, I like their front line a lot. Amir Johnson is going to be pretty good, especially since he can learn the game from Sheed and Webber. Sheed doesn't play in the post too much but he has some nice post moves and he's pretty talented in general there. So he's a good tutor for Johnson, and so is Webber who might be the best passing big man in the game. Maxiell is a pretty good shotblocker from what I've seen(when he gets the PT). That guy is just relentless. I love the way he plays. He reminds me a bit of a tougher Elton Brand but with a bit less talent. He'll be good in a few years. Even if McDyess, Dale Davis, and Mohammed are gone next year as long as they can keep Webber/Wallace together with their young bigs off the bench they're stacked up front IMO.

I really hope they win the championship this year. They're my favorite team(besides the Kings of course) and I love watching them on national TV.

 

[Padrino]

Not too sure I'd go putting Price on Shaq....

And welcome. As you might have guessed, we pride ourselves on being a bit different than most other forums out there. Lots of members of the "fairer" sex here as well, and we try to keep it pretty family-friendly. Just looking for some intelligent conversations and none of that garbage you find elsewhere.

maybe not one-on-one, but because of his freakish length, prince is excellent as a help-defender. he's also mildly athletic and has as good a shot as any piston of disrupting shaq's post game. and besides, even though he's only been back a few weeks, shaq's still lookin' more and more washed-up these days. he's gonna have to carry an enormous load if wade is unable to return before the playoffs...and that's just to get the team into the playoffs. at this point in his career, i don't know that shaq can do that on his own, so it might not even matter. in my opinion, the pistons have been playing some of the best basketball in the nba--after the dallas mavericks and the phoenix suns--since acquiring chris webber. i don't think they're terribly worried about miami, to be honest.

 

[sloter]

As far as the Pistons go, I like their front line a lot.

And the craziest thing about it is that the Pistons actually let go of Okur and Milicic (improving). Imagine if those were still around...

 

[acisking]

As far as Billups being the best player on that team, Rasheed Wallace is the best player on the Pistons, and has been for as long as he's been there. He's a do-everything player, and the only guy on that team that's a nightmare matchup for EVERYBODY.

I agree with everything else you said but I would like to point out that Rasheed may be the motivational and spiritual leader but he has not consistently been anything close to their best player. Rasheed has had a tendency to disappear in big games in the postseason unlike Billups, and rarely plays to his capacity. Moreover, until this season where he has lessened it a bit, Rasheed has had a terrible trend of waiting around the three point line instead of taking it into the post like he should with his post up ability. To be honest, I often wondered last year if the Pistons might have been better of starting McDyess just for the sake of consistency and then bringing in Wallace of the bench for a spark.

All that being said, Rasheed Wallace - when on his game - is an extraordinary asset and has been one of the league's best interior defernders for years. But to say that he has been the best player on the Pistons for as long as he has been there doesn't take into acount all the times in which he seemed like he didn't show up to play or got sidetracked with technicals/three pointers.