We really do need Garnett now

kingkung

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Before everyone jumps on me and the mods lock this thread for being another "Trade for KG!" post, hear me out first... I'd like to think that I have a little more to offer by way of reason than the stereotypical "Trade Garnett for Jason Hart and bag of rhino poop" threads.

Seeing Ron Artest pressure the hell out of Paul Pierce, as well as his point diffs (53-43 w/Artest in, 19-41 w/Artest out) gave me a lot of hope for the future of the Kings. We have a legit superstar, crazy as he is. However, I think everyone would agree that we are still one star away from being a true championship contender. And so comes the all-too-predictable push for Garnett. But this time it's legit... at least moreso than before. Unlike before, where we thought trading for Garnett would solve ALL of our problems, even if we had a lineup of Scot Pollard and a haven of midgets, right now we currently have a team in which Garnett, a PF that rebounds, passes, and blocks, really would be the missing piece to a team with a super-clutch PG, a tough-as-nails SF, and a legitimate C. A lot of teams could say that Garnett would kick *** for their team, but not many teams could feasibly say that realistically having KG would make them a championship favorite.

By now, it's abhorrently obvious that the Minnesota Timberwolves are going nowhere. Garnett knows it, McHale knows it, every team in the NBA knows it. Trading Szczerbiak for Ricky Davis was like trading a Toyota Camry for a Honda Accord... sure you get an improved player, but it's a very minor improvement at best. As far as I'm concerned, Minnesota's done. Finished. They've been given 11 years to build a solid team around Kevin Garnett, and, with exception to 2003-04, every year has ended in mediocrity and/or miserable failure. They need to look to the future and start anew, and not squander the talents of the amazing KG the way the Detroit Lions squandered the talents of Barry Sanders back in the day.

I'm not saying we even have a beggar's chance of landing KG. But whatever slimslimslimslim chance we've been given, I'm saying we should damn well try the hell out of that chance. I would be willing to give ANY of our first-round draft picks for at the next seven years, plus ANY combination of players outside of our core (Bibby, Artest, Brad) to make the salaries match. We have a slew of young talent, and in the best-case scenario, the Timberwolves would be willing to trade Garnett the way the Phoenix Suns did with Charles Barkley back in 95... for a host of talented non-superstars who don't add up to the superstar they're being traded for, but are a good young group of players to start a new team with.

If we can't land Garnett, then we should land a player like him (but obviously not of his caliber). A versatile PF who can swat shots and dominate defensively in the lane the way Artest dominates the perimeter. I like Shareef, but he's not a player that really fits into our system. I would say Ben Wallace, but there's no way in heck that he leaves the amazing Detroit Pistons. Marcus Camby would also be an interesting alternative, though he's too much of an injury liability (something the Kings certainly don't need). But the grand prize, of course, would be The Man himself. And if we have any chance whatsoever to reel him in, even if it means jeopardizing the future of our franchise, I say now is the time to do it.
 
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kingkung said:
I'm saying we should damn well try the hell out of that chance. I would be willing to give ANY of our first-round draft picks for at the next seven years, plus ANY combination of players outside of our core (Bibby, Artest, Brad) to make the salaries match.

You demonstrate that you aren't REALLY serious when you say "outside our core (Bibby, Artest,Brad).

This ain't an injured CWebb with a giant contract Minnesota is desperate to unload. Nobody is getting Garnett for prospects, picks and scrubs.

If it costs Brad + Bibby + a promise to name the Maloofs next child Kevin McHale Maloof, then it should be done. But it would have to cost that much at least.
 
I think this post is amazing, and as I have been for many years, I am on board with this. This is altough the best post push for him I've seen in a long time.
 
I only see three problems with this post:

1. It's not happening
2. It's not happening

and, last but not least,

3. It's not happening
 
Francisco d'Anconia said:
You demonstrate that you aren't REALLY serious when you say "outside our core (Bibby, Artest,Brad).

This ain't an injured CWebb with a giant contract Minnesota is desperate to unload. Nobody is getting Garnett for prospects, picks and scrubs.

If it costs Brad + Bibby + a promise to name the Maloofs next child Kevin McHale Maloof, then it should be done. But it would have to cost that much at least.

I wouldn't desire to trade Bibby, but if it means Garnett then so be it. The only untradeable (right now) I'd say is Artest.
 
Francisco d'Anconia said:
You demonstrate that you aren't REALLY serious when you say "outside our core (Bibby, Artest,Brad).

This ain't an injured CWebb with a giant contract Minnesota is desperate to unload. Nobody is getting Garnett for prospects, picks and scrubs.

If it costs Brad + Bibby + a promise to name the Maloofs next child Kevin McHale Maloof, then it should be done. But it would have to cost that much at least.

The problem is, if we do trade Bibby, Artest, or Brad, we won't have the talent to complement KG, and KG has shown time and time again that he can't do it alone. Maybe I would be willing to part with Brad, but in my mind, if we were to land KG, having Bibby and Artest in a Kings uniform is vital.

You can say we have no players outside of that trio near the talent level of KG, but we don't have scrubs either. Shareef is an excellent PF with a very cheap contract, Bonzi is a terrific player, K-Mart, Garcia, Kenny Thomas are all talented young studs, and of course, former Sixth Man of the Year in Corliss Williamson.

T'Wolves meet reality. You're going nowhere. Let The Man go already.
 
SKFFL said:
I wouldn't desire to trade Bibby, but if it means Garnett then so be it. The only untradeable (right now) I'd say is Artest.

I would do everything possible to keep Bibby. Chances are we would have to sign him as an FA because Minny wouldn't trade him to the west. Any chance (if ever there was one:() of Big Ben coming here was ruined because of Artest. They can't stand each other on the court, and who knows what would happen off.
 
The only way, I see this trade happening and still benefit the Kings is trading Brad + SAR + Bonzi (minny will not accept other scrubs for their franchise player) for KG. That will leave Bibby, artest, and KG as our new nucleus. Is that enough to be a championship contender? The answer is yes if those three remain healthy. However, KG is 30. So, we are looking at a few years of elite status before going south again.

Anyway, Minnesota trading for Ricky Davis is a sign that they are desparate. They know the downhill clock is ticking for KG. However, I don't think they can compete at the elite level even with Ricky Davis. The Joe Smith fiasco really doomed T-Wolves.
 
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yanon said:
The only way, I see this trade happening and still benefit the Kings is trading Brad + SAR + Bonzi (minny will not accept other scrubs for their franchise player) for KG. That will leave Bibby, artest, and KG as our new nucleus. Is that enough to be a championship contender? The answer is yes if those three remain healthy. However, KG is 30. So, we are looking at a few years of elite status before going south again.

Anyway, Minnesota trading for Ricky Davis is a sign that they are desparate. They know the downhill clock is ticking for KG. However, I don't think they can compete at the elite level even with Ricky Davis. The Joe Smith fiasco really doomed T-Wolves.

If the Wolves are going to trade Garnett, they're going to blow it up and go young. Except for Artest, I really don't think the Kings have anything the Wolves would want in a Garnett trade.
 
We really do have to be careful who we would have give up to get KG. Now, I would LOVE to have him on our team. I do not think that there is any player that I would say we should not trade to get him. It's the combination of players that we would have to give up to get him that worries me. If he could get the job done alone, he would have a ring already. Since he does not, having strong players around him (all super heroes need a sidekick) is vital. I do think that Minny needs to trade him. He has given them his all- let him go. I just do not think we have a realistic chance to EVER get him. If we did, would we have to give up too much?
 
I have a very active imagination as well. But lets get real. The thing about championship teams is they always seem to have at least one player step up bigtime. Someone who isn't expected to do well just steps it up. That usually happens with a younger player. We have a bunch of mid-career guys who are being given that opportunity and aren't doing anything with it. This is reality. If we are very lucky we can make one more trade that will benefit our team, but it most definitely will not be for a superstar. I hate to shoot you down with negativity, but come back from la la land. We are pretty much stuck with what we got so we need our players to up their own stock.
 
I'm not opposed to unloading Brad Miller at some point down the road, and if we could get KG that would be very attractive, but I'd really like to see how he plays with Artest again. In fact I'd like to see Artest get back into game shape and have Bonzi and Reef at 100% before making any further moves at this point.
 
bcfy said:
Garnett isn't going anywhere coz he has a Ricky Davis to work with now

I'll assume you forgot the sarcasm emoticon...Garnett has had much better players to work with than Ricky Davis: Marbury, Sprewell, Cassell, etc. Ricky Davis alone is NOT going to keep Garnett in Minny.
 
What Sac should do is sign #13 again for a year or two... Christy comming off the bench with that D. Bringing that energy back.


Kings have a team full of talent but they dont have the fire they once had. They dont NEED another superstar. Dont get me wrong i wouldn't mind seeing KG on the kings. They just need to start playing ball.
 
Merdiesel said:
What Sac should do is sign #13 again for a year or two... Christy comming off the bench with that D. Bringing that energy back.


Kings have a team full of talent but they dont have the fire they once had. They dont NEED another superstar. Dont get me wrong i wouldn't mind seeing KG on the kings. They just need to start playing ball.
The only thing the should sign Doug to do is to SIT on the bench, with a tie on and coach defense... as a player he had fork in in his butt all last season, turn em over.


As for KG dream on. Minny may well trade him but that trade will HAVE to include a name like Leborn, Kobe, T-Mac or Wade... they MIGHT take some serious young tallent for him if he demands the trade, but I am fairly sure that McHale looking at the Kings roster would NOT find the pieces he liked UNLESS it was some kind of Bibby, MIller or Artest package... I just don't see it happening.:cool:
 
A trade that works and seems almost realistic is:



SAC Outgoing, MIN Incoming:

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Corliss Williamson
Jason Hart
Bonzi Wells
Kenny Thomas

SAC Incoming, MIN Outgoing:

Kevin Garnett
Eddie Griffin
Richie Frahm

Line-ups afterwards

SAC:

C-Brad Miller/Skinner
PF-KG/Griffin
SF-Artest/Garcia
SG-Kevin Martin/Frahm
PG-Bibby/Ronnie Price

That's a championship team right there. We get our superstar, we have 3 players that know eachother and play well together (Brad, Bibby, Artest) plus KG has the talent he needs around him, and the young guys (Kevin, Garcia, Frahm) all get their chance to shine with the opening int he SG position, where K.Mart has already shone he can play well in.

MIN:

C-Blount/Madsen
PF-SAR/KT
SF-Ricky Davis/Corliss
SG-Bonzi Wells/McCants
PG-Jaric/Hudson/Hart

MIN unloads KG and gets SAR with a great and moveable contract, Bonzi Wells who is having a carreer year with an expiring contract, and Corliss and KT would probably get more minutes and productivity with this coach and team.

Yes, the money matches up too, and this is never going to happen....but, man it would be awesome...
 
Merdiesel said:
What Sac should do is sign #13 again for a year or two... Christy comming off the bench with that D. Bringing that energy back.


Kings have a team full of talent but they dont have the fire they once had. They dont NEED another superstar. Dont get me wrong i wouldn't mind seeing KG on the kings. They just need to start playing ball.

Defense-wise, Artest (defensive player of the year) is better than Chrisitie ever was. Plus, the Kings need help in the front court not the back court. Thus, I don't see how Chrisitie can solve the Kings problem by defending against 6'11" 250lbs powerfowards.
 
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^This trade would be realistic if KG blew out his knee and had microfracture surgery. Otherwise, Minnesota would laugh.
 
I LOVED DOUG AS A KING, but his time is over. Now, I would not mind one little bit if he was on the bench as a coach. I think that he could help Garcia and Martin A LOT.

As for KG- we only get him in Dream Land.
 
tradepeja's proposed trade is ridiculous. Minny will laugh at the Kings' trade proposal if they don't see at least one of the Kings' big three on that list.

I just read the last line of your post. haha
 
hey, the thread starter said he wanted a trade where the big three aren't moved, i found one...whether it will happen or not doesn't really matter. We all can dream.
 
I don't realistically think that we have a shot of landing KG, if only because Minnesota will not trade him away regardless of circumstance. The point(s) of my original post were this:

1) We will be a very good (but not championship) team with Ron Artest
2) We WOULD be a championship-contending team with Kevin Garnett (something that I would say wasn't true pre-Ron Artest)
3) Minnesota SHOULD trade away Kevin Garnett if their best interest is in his best interests, but it's not.
4) Minnesota SHOULD trade away Kevin Garnett if their best interests were in winning basketball games (to get them out of purgatory and give them a new start), but I would say that in Minneapolis, Garnett transcends basketball and has become a beloved icon of the city.
5) Therefore, if there were ever a time in which a KG trade were to be pursued, it should be done within the next couple of years, even if it means sacrificing future draft picks and players.
 
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Garnett is getting to old. He's like 30 and his prime is nearly over. If it was 2 or 3 years ago I wouldn't mind having him. In my opinion I would rather have a Dwight Howard over KG.
 
Burrito06 said:
Garnett is getting to old. He's like 30 and his prime is nearly over. If it was 2 or 3 years ago I wouldn't mind having him. In my opinion I would rather have a Dwight Howard over KG.

I believe KGs still got enough in his tank to go through another 5 years. But man you never know whats gonna happen. WOW cant believe KG is actually turning 30. It was a long time ago when Tha Kid first entered the league!!
 
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