i know its been talked about a lot before, but we gotta find a way to get this guy. A great post player that will help us win close games. I heard the warriors would offer the 6th for him, we gotta offer the 5th if we can get him. What do you guys think? then maybe slightly overpay for brandon haywood and you gotta team
We need Al Jefferson!
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Bricklayer
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People treated my first proposal there as off the wall, but its really not. Minny does not like the Jefferson/Love pairing, Al is the expensive one, and they have a draft pick coming up that should allow them to take a big center (Cousins) if they so choose. Its easy to see Jefferson on the move for the right package, and that package may well center around another lottery pick. Two Top 6 picks in back to back years should give you a nice platform to rebuild from, or would if Kahn wasn't doing the picking.
If you wanted to put a more realistic spin on things, make the trade for Big Al, and then go overspend on Rudy Gay -- your finances take a hit, and frankly losing/displacing so many of our fiery players to fit in two guys who do not always seem motivated would worry me, but on talent alone you could do some real damage with a young Reke/Jefferson/Gay trio going forward.
People treated my first proposal there as off the wall, but its really not. Minny does not like the Jefferson/Love pairing, Al is the expensive one, and they have a draft pick coming up that should allow them to take a big center (Cousins) if they so choose. Its easy to see Jefferson on the move for the right package, and that package may well center around another lottery pick. Two Top 6 picks in back to back years should give you a nice platform to rebuild from, or would if Kahn wasn't doing the picking.
If you wanted to put a more realistic spin on things, make the trade for Big Al, and then go overspend on Rudy Gay -- your finances take a hit, and frankly losing/displacing so many of our fiery players to fit in two guys who do not always seem motivated would worry me, but on talent alone you could do some real damage with a young Reke/Jefferson/Gay trio going forward.
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Peter_Gibbons
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http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37221
People treated my first proposal there as off the wall, but its really not. Minny does not like the Jefferson/Love pairing, Al is the expensive one, and they have a draft pick coming up that should allow them to take a big center (Cousins) if they so choose. Its easy to see Jefferson on the move for the right package, and that package may well center around another lottery pick. Two Top 6 picks in back to back years should give you a nice platform to rebuild from, or would if Kahn wasn't doing the picking.
If you wanted to put a more realistic spin on things, make the trade for Big Al, and then go overspend on Rudy Gay -- your finances take a hit, and frankly losing/displacing so many of our fiery players to fit in two guys who do not always seem motivated would worry me, but on talent alone you could do some real damage with a young Reke/Jefferson/Gay trio going forward.
AJ is a good player. My problem with this trade would be his big contract with 3 yrs left. Unless they are willing to take Nocioni and not require our #5 pick, I wouldn't do it. One bad contract for another not as bad contract. If he didn't work for the Wolves in terms of winning, I don't see how he can do it for us. But why would they take Noc for AJ haha..
D13
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IMO, way overpaying. How you gonna get the 6th pick to give them anyway?
Bricklayer
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Landry clearly moves abck to 6th man in that scenario. Al has been playing out of position at C for years -- he's a PF. Of course Al/Hawes or Al/Thompson aren't much better defensively, and Al/Landry/Hawes/JT = two many guys with not enough defens,e so if I were doing the doing I'd be looking to swing Jason or Hawes for a defensive stopper to round things out.
Kings Faithful
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Just because we are taking the Wolves best player, doesn't mean were turning into the Wolves. Yes, he may not be able to lead a team to victory, but that doesn't mean he can't help. Tyreke is our leader and right now we need a dominant force in the paint for him to lead. Thats where a player like Jefferson would come in. If we could get Jefferson and Gay this off-season I'd be ecstatic.
Peter_Gibbons
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Look, don't get me wrong. Like I've said AJ is a good player. But at avg of $14mil a yr for the next 3 seasons, I don't think its worth it. Not if we have to give up a #5 pick.
He can help, but I don't think he'll be enough in the frontline to turn us into a real contender. Maybe playoffs, but not championship contenders. It took us a long time to end up with a lot of flexibility like now to build a good good team. I don't want to rush things and get stuck with contracts that gets us into the 1st round playoffs and not much else.
upinsmoke
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Trading for a player is not the same as just signing a free agent in terms of how it would effects the salary. The players salaries being traded must match within a certain % depending on the circumstances.
Kings Faithful
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I believe the Kings could flat out absorb Jefferson's contract if we wanted to swap our 5th for him. What you said is true, but I don't think it applies in this case.
Big Cuz 15
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no thanks...... hes way overpaid. in 3 years we'll have to resign him to an even larger contract he's not worth. again, no thanks.....
Peter_Gibbons
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Yes, I know all about the salaries and trading. I'm saying that I don't think AJ is worth avg $14 locked up for the next 3 yrs. Thats almost half of our $33 million committed right now, not if we are giving up our #5 pick. The economy has changed a lot and guys that would've got max contracts before might no longer get them If AJ was a free agent now, I doubt he would get that much in the open market.
SacKings7
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That only applies to teams over the cap, or to trades where teams under the cap would effectively be over the cap after the trade. Since we're under teh cap, we could hypothetically acquire Jefferson for the #5 straight up. Or, since I said hypothetically, even our 2nd rounder
Bricklayer
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You just described Tim Duncan.
vikinginferno
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Tim Duncan isn't undersized?
I would do it and see if we could send them Nocioni and Hawes as well and go after their #12 pick. Then you have a number of possible defensive big men around you can draft.
While the frontcourt of AJ and JT might not scare anyone defensively, they sure as heck would have to defend them at the other end. And big Al is a freaking load to defend. Book 20+ PPG and 11 REBs every night in the paint from him.
While the frontcourt of AJ and JT might not scare anyone defensively, they sure as heck would have to defend them at the other end. And big Al is a freaking load to defend. Book 20+ PPG and 11 REBs every night in the paint from him.
Kingster
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Can Jefferson defend power forwards?
Bricklayer
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Carlos Boozer or Luis Scola? Sure.
Josh Smith or Jeff Greene? Not so much. But then again that is because they are both SFs. And the kicker is they can't defend him either.
Vlade4GM
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Not defensively, I didn't. Also, Duncan's offensive game extends farther out than Jefferson's. So no, I really didn't describe Duncan at all.
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ok ive been seeing a lot of rumors on twolves site about this trade and a couple things you need to know.
1.jefferson mayb the best low post scorer in the leauge. laugh if you want but he always gets to the hoop with a good shot.he is bad at passing once he gts the ball he doesnt pass.he is a powerforward or a center. and his defensive problems were more because of kevin love and him together in the front court.jefferson is still really young i think 23 or 24.
he will be gone this year we cant build our team around him as he doesnt fit in a triangle offense with k love.
so if your squad wants him you need to offer the number 5 somehow or golden state has him!
1.jefferson mayb the best low post scorer in the leauge. laugh if you want but he always gets to the hoop with a good shot.he is bad at passing once he gts the ball he doesnt pass.he is a powerforward or a center. and his defensive problems were more because of kevin love and him together in the front court.jefferson is still really young i think 23 or 24.
he will be gone this year we cant build our team around him as he doesnt fit in a triangle offense with k love.
so if your squad wants him you need to offer the number 5 somehow or golden state has him!
Idk about anybody else but I'd do this in a heart beat. Where we are gonna find a 20-10 type big man these days I'll never know but Al Jefferson is about as close to Reke's big sidekick as your gonna get. If his contract a problem well equate his contract to having to crazily over pay for criminally overrated Chris Bosh right now.
I also agree with the idea of signing Haywood as well, you add Haywood, Jefferson and a 2nd round draft pick 2 guard to Reke n Crew if they stay healthy that's a first round scare for a top seeded team out west.
I also agree with the idea of signing Haywood as well, you add Haywood, Jefferson and a 2nd round draft pick 2 guard to Reke n Crew if they stay healthy that's a first round scare for a top seeded team out west.
Kingster
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I thought you wanted more defense. That sounds like more offense at the cost of more defense. Also, I think guys like Odom and Gasol can guard and score on Jefferson, a double whammy.
upinsmoke
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I think Big Al would welcome a change of scenery from Minn. Aside from that im sure David Kahn would like another chance at that #5 pick.
Im fairly confident that the wolves are going to select Cousins so Jefferson is going to become an asset for them. Trading the pick for a Proven player COULD end up being the best move for the team.
.Im fairly confident that the wolves are going to select Cousins so Jefferson is going to become an asset for them. Trading the pick for a Proven player COULD end up being the best move for the team.
Bricklayer
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More defense is great, a second star, and a star in the frontcourt is paramount. Star backourt + star frontcourt player = the single greatest winning formula in NBA history. Put that together, then go get serious about adding multiple defenders around them. I actually worry more about Jefferson's lack of passing and ability to smoothly mesh than I do his defense. He's got the size at PF, is a great rebounder, and has been in a succession of profoundly depressing situtations since coming into his own. Good chance he does better given a situation with any hope.
And as an aside there really isn't anybody in the league who can guard Jefferson, as in shut him down. He's an elite offensive player. And he kills weak or smaller interior defenders.
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