We have/had interest in Wilcox maybe?
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you're not going to get that from Wilcox, or any other PF available...what you will get is tougher with the addition of Wilcox. No offense to SAR, but Wilcox is younger, maturing fast(regardless of if he was in a contract year), and is becoming more hungry to win, which he isnt going to get in Seattle. If Wilcox comes to the Kings, I'll be giddy as hell. As far as shot blocking, you're really going to have to look high and low to find someone these days, because there are really only a few of these types of players in the league at the moment. Wilcox would be a HUGE upgrade for the present and future.
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With Wilcox your pretty much going to get a decent post defender with no shot blocking. IMO that isn't much of an upgrade over what we have right now. Both KT and Reef are good post defenders. I would only get Wilcox if the money is right. If we sign and trade for a big contract of his then I would rather look for someone else.
I don't think you can say something definite on Wilcox yet. The guy has been stuck behind Elton Brand his whole career until last season, where he had a nice three month stretch. But still wasn't getting that focus or quite the time he needs to show what he can do, because of the young bigs Seattle has. Along with that not being a full season. He has a career minutes average of 18.
He's already shown he's a good athlete, and can rebound well. Along with having length. He's not a bad free-throw shooter also, averaging 78 and 73 percent the last two seasons. I think he still can develop into some kind of an interior presence, guys like Muss and Artest would help in energizing him, as well with the Arco crowd.
Similar to Nene's situation, only Wilcox hasn't shown quite as much as Nene has so far.
He's already shown he's a good athlete, and can rebound well. Along with having length. He's not a bad free-throw shooter also, averaging 78 and 73 percent the last two seasons. I think he still can develop into some kind of an interior presence, guys like Muss and Artest would help in energizing him, as well with the Arco crowd.
Similar to Nene's situation, only Wilcox hasn't shown quite as much as Nene has so far.
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Nene played a total of 3 minutes last year before tearing his ACL and he is not yet back to full stength and this may hinder his abilities in the future. Never been all that impressed with Nene and he played alot more than Wilcox did when he was healthy so I don't think you can say he hasn't shown as much.
Interesting. Let's expand the deal and do a Bibby/Martin/Corliss/Pot for Ray Allen/Earl Watson/Wilcox trade. Wilcox is going to be BYC after he signs his deal, so it's either going to have to be a bigger deal or another team will have to be involved.
Kings outgoing:
Bibby - $12.5 M
Martin - $1.0 M
Corliss - $6.5 M
Pot - $3.7 M
Total: $23.7 M
Kings incoming:
Wilcox - $7.25 M
Allen - $14.6 M
Watson - $5.4 M
Total: $27.25
Seattle incoming:
Bibby - $12.5 M
Martin - $1.0 M
Corliss - $6.5 M
Pot - $3.7 M
Total: $23.7 M
Seattle outgoing:
Wilcox - $3.6 M (BYC)
Allen - $14.6 M
Watson - $5.4 M
Total - $23.6 M
This works!
Kings outgoing:
Bibby - $12.5 M
Martin - $1.0 M
Corliss - $6.5 M
Pot - $3.7 M
Total: $23.7 M
Kings incoming:
Wilcox - $7.25 M
Allen - $14.6 M
Watson - $5.4 M
Total: $27.25
Seattle incoming:
Bibby - $12.5 M
Martin - $1.0 M
Corliss - $6.5 M
Pot - $3.7 M
Total: $23.7 M
Seattle outgoing:
Wilcox - $3.6 M (BYC)
Allen - $14.6 M
Watson - $5.4 M
Total - $23.6 M
This works!
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Seattle wants an "all-start caliber" forward in return and the teams in speculation are PHX, GS, and SAC. Now looking at the fowards those 3 teams have to off. PHX has Marion but, his contract is 15 mil this year which would be twice as much as Wilcox so another player with 7 to 8 mil dollar contract would have to be sent with Wilcox. GS pretty much just has Troy Murphy the contracts would be about the same but, Murphy is not quite the style the Sonics seem to need with Lewis and Allen being perimeter players. Now to us with Bonzi it gives them a post game with Lewis and Allen on the perimeter or Reef + some filler from us maybe Hart or Potapenko. KT would be a head up trade for Wilcox as they would be the same for this season. Just have to wait and see.
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Originally Posted by DoDiGaG0
id rather have Reggie Evans
NO NO NO Troy NO NO NO DoDiGaG0 what don't you guys get? Did you guys watch the playoffs Reggie Evans grabbed Chris Kaman's crotch and pulled it as hard as he could. There is NO excuse to do that EVER! I would kill Petrie if he even thought about Reggie Evans. To me Reggie was a good scrappy Malik Rose (type of) player, but after what he did I NEVER want to see him in purple, and I will be glad when he signs with Denver for the MLE they deserve him and he deserves them.
Originally Posted by DoDiGaG0
id rather have Reggie Evans
NO NO NO Troy NO NO NO DoDiGaG0 what don't you guys get? Did you guys watch the playoffs Reggie Evans grabbed Chris Kaman's crotch and pulled it as hard as he could. There is NO excuse to do that EVER! I would kill Petrie if he even thought about Reggie Evans. To me Reggie was a good scrappy Malik Rose (type of) player, but after what he did I NEVER want to see him in purple, and I will be glad when he signs with Denver for the MLE they deserve him and he deserves them.
Wilcox doesn't provide the shot-blocking we need, but he could still be a nice upgrade. He's super-athletic for his size. That stretch with Seattle looks a lot like a contract run, but I think he just plays a lot better as a starter. I know he had some good stretches with LA when he got consistent PT.
i'd be okay with the kings getting wilcox, but all we're really talkin' about here is table scraps. the free agent pool is empty, for the most part. you're not gonna get what you need through free agency at this stage in the game. grabbing wilcox in a sign and trade would probably be beneficial, and it'd be nice to offload a bad contract if possible, but he's not the answer to the kings prayers. a real high profile trade needs to go down for the kings to improve up front, and we've exhausted pretty much every conceivable scenario here at kingsfans.com......and we've pretty much got nothin'. of course, they don't pay us to think about this kinda stuff, they pay geoff petrie for that. hopefully he's in a swindling mood this season, cuz if something doesn't happen this summer, he's gonna be on the coals to get something done by mid-season.
Every time i think about it, it makes the most sense that he would most likely get traded to the kings. I really don't think that the suns will trade Diaw, Marion or Amare and i really don't see why the Seattle would want Kurt thomas at his age.
With GS, i really don't think seatle wants Murphy or Dunleavy because, like Entity said, they already have Allen and Lewis at the perimeter. And i doubt that they give up on a young player such as Diogu so early either.
And with us I really don't see Bonzi wanting to go to Sea to be a bench player behind Lewis and Allen, i think he would much rather go to Denver or Houston where he could start. I really don't see why they want Thomas and his huge contract which doesn't even add up on the court. In may opinion if a trade does go down it would have to be sar and exp contract. Sar is a former All-Star, still in his prime at 29, it would make it easier to resign lewis with sar contract and he won't get in the way of Lewis and Allen out in the perimeter. And what I have been hearing from seattle forums is that their Mangement has been after Sar before and if Wilcox wants out this might be seattle's time to get him.
With GS, i really don't think seatle wants Murphy or Dunleavy because, like Entity said, they already have Allen and Lewis at the perimeter. And i doubt that they give up on a young player such as Diogu so early either.
And with us I really don't see Bonzi wanting to go to Sea to be a bench player behind Lewis and Allen, i think he would much rather go to Denver or Houston where he could start. I really don't see why they want Thomas and his huge contract which doesn't even add up on the court. In may opinion if a trade does go down it would have to be sar and exp contract. Sar is a former All-Star, still in his prime at 29, it would make it easier to resign lewis with sar contract and he won't get in the way of Lewis and Allen out in the perimeter. And what I have been hearing from seattle forums is that their Mangement has been after Sar before and if Wilcox wants out this might be seattle's time to get him.
Why does it have to be Ronnie Price. Why not move Jason Hart.
Also wilcox is listed as a Center. If we give up our starting PF would Wilcox go to PF?? I don't know much about this guy. Please fill us in. I mean if he's going to be the starting PF he wouldn't really be able to be the backup Center.
I sure don't want Kenny being our starting PF all year.
Also wilcox is listed as a Center. If we give up our starting PF would Wilcox go to PF?? I don't know much about this guy. Please fill us in. I mean if he's going to be the starting PF he wouldn't really be able to be the backup Center.
I sure don't want Kenny being our starting PF all year.
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Nene's shown more than Wilcox. But it's similar because Wilcox is a guy that's been limited because of a big man in front of him that also needs minutes. And then, Wilcox showed what he could be and more, with the Sonics this past season, as Nene did in 03-04 and 04-05. Hence why Nene's shown more, but in 04-05, Kenyon Martin and 1 or 2 injuries has limited Nene - up to this season. Where Wilcox, where-ever he is, will get his best oppurtunity as well.
if for some reason we get wilcox for Reef and blah blah. Is it possible that Kenny would still start at the PF position and Wilcox be used as the 4/5 guy coming in for both Miller and Thomas getting more minutes the more effective he is averaging about 33 min or so?
Or will he definatley start and move to Center for KT to come in and bring miller back?
Or will he definatley start and move to Center for KT to come in and bring miller back?