Was GP wrong drafting Douby over Marcus Williams?

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back on draft day marcus williams slipped in our hand but we passed up on him for quincy douby. i remembered most of us here went crazy when GP drafted douby over williams.

now comparing the preseason stats between the two players.

Marcus Williams in 6 games average:
Min: 28
Pts: 16
Ast: 7
Rbs: 2.6
FG: 32/73 43%

Quincy Douby in 7 games average:
Min: 8.5
Pts: 2.5
Ast: .85
Rbs: .5
FG: 5/24 20%

Even though its kinda early to judge but Williams look like he can take the backup PG role. Hes more ready than Douby and is the perfect backup PG for us.
 
Wasn't there some questions about Williams' character?! :confused:

I am pretty sure there was an apparent reason why many teams overlooked him.

Williams is doing much better than Douby at this stage but lets waits for a couple of seasons before we make that call.

Kevin Martin looked like this appologetic kid in his first season that looked like he wasn't sure he belonged. In his 3rd season he is a starter and set for a big season.

These things are best judged a few years down the track.
 
He had a run in with stealing computers, and some weight gain. However, he was touted as the only true point guard in the draft. Supposed to go in the top 10 before the incident, which cost him more than he would have gotten with computers im sure.

However, when he slipped down to us, I was sure that GP would pull the trigger on a risk, seeing what was left. In addition, true point guards are rare, and we were in a dire need for a point, not a combo.

But yeah, wait and see. supposedly when douby had a workout for GP, he didn't miss a single shot, and you know how Geoff loves shooters. Right now, i think that the consensus is that Douby isn't NBA ready.
 
That's kindof an unfair question because a lot more goes into making a draft pick than just estimating who will turn out to be the best NBA player. Sure everyone wants to draft top players, but there's also an issue of play philosophy and position need. Marcus Williams is a gifted Point Guard, no doubt about it. And it's showing at the NBA level already. Obviously it'll take more than a few preseason games to get a good reading on any player, but so far it looks good for Williams. And if you thought backup point guard was an immediate need for the Kings, I can see why you would have wanted Petrie to draft Williams. I tend towards that opinion myself. For better or worse Petrie has tended to value shooting as one of the most (if not the most) important attributes in a player, and has tended to make personel choices accordingly. And if your MO is looking for shooters, and a shooter as talented as Douby falls into your lap, I can't blame you for pulling the trigger. The better question is whether the Kings would do well to consider a different philosophy such as (1) A pass first point guard (ie Marcus Williams) can be a valuable asset or (2) Defensive skills, the ability to keep points off the board for your opponent, might be just as important as racking up points on your side (remember he passed on Rajon Rondo too who is also looking like a quality point guard so far -- and a future steals leader -- that's who I wanted us to draft). And that's a speculative question with no definitive answer.

No one doubts that Doubt can shoot. He's trying to learn how to play point guard as well right now, and that's going to take time. That's why drafting a scoring guard and trying to convert them to a point guard is always a bigger risk than taking a player with proven skills and having them play the position they're used to. The Kings have had some success with that in the past with the scoring guard (BJax) and so that seems to be their preferred way to fill the backup PG role right now.

(Incidentally I think the same issue is at the root of most of the animosity directed towards Petrie for his personel decisions. He has his philosophy and he sticks to it. It's possible another philosophy would work better, but we'll never know for sure until something major changes. Maybe Eric Musselman will have an impact? Show Petrie the value of a defensive role player? Too early to tell.)
 
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Yea I think it was his mistake for not drafting williams, but douby could also become a good player
 
Obviously I'm biased, but the Kings were looking for another shooter, and douby lit up in the summer workouts, so they drafted him. Williams was definitely more ready for the nba, and douby will take time, but he is still learning to play the point. Hopefully the kings wont give up on him too early, because he still has a lot to prove and it will all come with time.
 
ImAKing said:
back on draft day marcus williams slipped in our hand but we passed up on him for quincy douby. i remembered most of us here went crazy when GP drafted douby over williams.

now comparing the preseason stats between the two players.

Marcus Williams in 6 games average:
Min: 28
Pts: 16
Ast: 7
Rbs: 2.6
FG: 32/73 43%

Quincy Douby in 7 games average:
Min: 8.5
Pts: 2.5
Ast: .85
Rbs: .5
FG: 5/24 20%

Even though its kinda early to judge but Williams look like he can take the backup PG role. Hes more ready than Douby and is the perfect backup PG for us.
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Of course Marcus is more ready. He comes from a major, he actually was a leader there and he is excellent at distributing tha ball which is pretty similar to role their starting PG has so they can just plug him in and...oh, it's working.
Quincy is absolutely different: he is like Kevin Martin coming out of college (scorer and...pretty much nothing else) but from a major Conference. Unlike Kevin Quincy is not exactly a prototypical player for his position. So don't expect solid production from him this season and hope he develops as quickly as Kevin.
There's one thing though where Quincy is already much better than Marcus, usually it's called defense.
 
ABSOLUTLEY, we didnt need a combo guard with little to no pg skills, but at the same time rondo or macrus would not get nealry as many minutes with us as they would with boston and nj, kidd will proabbly rest much more this year than bibby, maybe will would have got some minutes in the beginning with bibb injured, but i think bibb will end up playing more mpg than kidd will
 
was petrie wrong for not drafting williams? i thought so, and still think so. time will tell for sure, but its clear that marcus williams will have an immediate impact coming off the bench in new jersey, while douby is a ways away from consistent rotation minutes in sacramento, where the kings are desperate for proper backup PG skills. immediacy is the key word here. it may not matter in a couple of years, but, as of right now, it would have been more pertinent and much wiser decision to draft williams, imo.
 
Lol.

These kinds of threads always crack me up. If you go back in the archives, you'll see a whole bunch of people ready to tar and feather Petrie for drafting Kevin Martin when __________ was still available.

I really think we should wait until - oh, I don't know - we've actually played some real games.

Quincy8Douby said:
Obviously I'm biased, but the Kings were looking for another shooter, and douby lit up in the summer workouts, so they drafted him. Williams was definitely more ready for the nba, and douby will take time, but he is still learning to play the point. Hopefully the kings wont give up on him too early, because he still has a lot to prove and it will all come with time.
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As far as the Kings giving up too early on Douby, I think you're doing the Kings coaching staff a big disservice by even mentioning it at this point in thime.
 
i know its early for this conversation. but anyone can see that we need a player like williams more than douby. coming to the offseason our main goal is to get a backup PG and a backup C or shotblocking big.

i think if we were to drafted williams, our offseason would turn out better. we get a legitimate backup PG. use portion of the money left by bonzi to get a shotblocking C and a sg/sf. that would balance out our team alot more.

but all in all, i dont blame him GP. like someone said, williams didnt want to work out with us so cant blame GP for not drafting him. im not complaining or hating on douby, just think that we would be better off with williams. BUT only time will tell.
 
VF21 said:
Lol.

These kinds of threads always crack me up. If you go back in the archives, you'll see a whole bunch of people ready to tar and feather Petrie for drafting Kevin Martin when __________ was still available.

I really think we should wait until - oh, I don't know - we've actually played some real games.
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I don't really remember that happening for the Martin pick. At the time we were still in our hunt for a championship. It also was a weak draft as far as name recognition. People didn’t doubt the Martin pick so much as they just didn't know who he was.

Francisco Garcia on the other hand, there were some of us who were vocal about not liking that pick. It wasn't due to a lack of talent, as it was a lack of addressing team needs. Even though at the time I recognized there weren't many decent big man prospects left, but the Garcia pick was so predictable, it left me under whelmed.

For this years pick, with Martin bringing offense at the two (starter wise or behind Bonzi) you don't really need another shooter/scorer behind Bibby or Martin. Garcia was also known as a shooter. Rondo or Williams would've brought something else and helped balance the team.

If Williams ever got his game together, he'd be extremely valuable piece in a trade package. Unfortunately he didn't want to work out with us, probably because he didn't think he would drop that low, which meant Petrie wasn't going to touch him.
 
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Packt said:
I don't really remember that happening for the Martin pick. At the time we were still in our hunt for a championship. It also was a weak draft as far as name recognition. People didn’t doubt the Martin pick so much as they just didn't know who he was.

Francisco Garcia on the other hand, there were some of us who were vocal about not liking that pick. It wasn't due to a lack of talent, as it was a lack of addressing team needs. Even though at the time I recognized there weren't many decent big man prospects left, but the Garcia pick was so predictable, it left me under whelmed.

For this years pick, with Martin bringing offense at the two (starter wise or behind Bonzi) you don't really need another shooter/scorer behind Bibby or Martin. Garcia was also known as a shooter. Rondo or Williams would've brought something else and helped balance the team.

If Williams ever got his game together, he'd be extremely valuable piece in a trade package. Unfortunately he didn't want to work out with us, probably because he didn't think he would drop that low, which meant Petrie wasn't going to touch him.
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I do remember, as it was Kingsgurl who first brought Kevin to our attention when she drafted him in a mock draft a couple of weeks before the regular draft. (I think the thread where she did it is still available over at bleachermob.com) When he was actually drafted by the Kings, there was a lot of dismay because there were some bigs left that a lot of people felt very strongly we should have selected INSTEAD of the scrawny kid.

The next year, on the other hand, Garcia was immediately touted as the future shooting guard. It was said by more than a few that he would soon replace Martin, etc.

Those of us who really thought Kevin was something special right from the beginning have had an uphill fight with a lot of people.
 
Packt said:
I don't really remember that happening for the Martin pick. At the time we were still in our hunt for a championship. It also was a weak draft as far as name recognition. People didn’t doubt the Martin pick so much as they just didn't know who he was.

Francisco Garcia on the other hand, there were some of us who were vocal about not liking that pick. It wasn't due to a lack of talent, as it was a lack of addressing team needs. Even though at the time I recognized there weren't many decent big man prospects left, but the Garcia pick was so predictable, it left me under whelmed.

For this years pick, with Martin bringing offense at the two (starter wise or behind Bonzi) you don't really need another shooter/scorer behind Bibby or Martin. Garcia was also known as a shooter. Rondo or Williams would've brought something else and helped balance the team.

If Williams ever got his game together, he'd be extremely valuable piece in a trade package. Unfortunately he didn't want to work out with us, probably because he didn't think he would drop that low, which meant Petrie wasn't going to touch him.
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Mate it happens every year with every one of our picks.

My personal favourite was the dummy spit some did when Petrie picked Pedja instead of John Wallace :D
 
I was one of the few long-time Kings Fans that didn't trip out over drafting Stojakovic, but that wasn't due to me being pro-Stojakovic (since I never was, and still am not), so much as:

1 - I didn't find out about the draft until almost two months later, since I was underway at the time.

2 - Between my military training and acclimating to my first command, I hadn't watched college basketball in almost two years, and didn't know who John Wallace was, anyway. Or anybody else in that draft, really.
 
The only issue I had with the Peja draft was drafting someone with an overseas contract in no hurry to get to the NBA. We were coming off a promising season and could have used an impact player.

Of the remaining players in that draft the two most successful took several seasons to develop (Steve Nash and Jermaine O'Neal).
 
pdxKingsFan said:
The only issue I had with the Peja draft was drafting someone with an overseas contract in no hurry to get to the NBA. We were coming off a promising season and could have used an impact player.

Of the remaining players in that draft the two most successful took several seasons to develop (Steve Nash and Jermaine O'Neal).
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ZI wouldn't have been a terrible choice, either, and he did 14 points and 9 boards a game as a rookie. But, as we have all learned since, Petrie picks shooters.
 
I remember reading/listening about this during/after the draft day. What the radio guys said was that his agent (marcus williams') denied him a tryout w/ the kings. His agent ranked him very high and thought that the kings had 0 chance of drafting him. GP never got to see him workout and he will only draft players that he have seen play himself at the workouts. Something along that lines, that's why GP passed on him and picked up douby who attended one/few of the workouts for the kings.
 
why are you complaining about williams and not rondo? rondo was the best pure pg in the draft imo and i think he's going to be an all-star eventually.
 
Hmmm... let me think about this one...

The same GM who drafted in past years:
  • Peja Stojakovic
  • Jason Williams
  • Hedo Turkoglu
  • Gerald Wallace
  • Kevin Martin
I think I will put a little more faith in GP after some of the great pick ups hes managed to pull off.
 
Merdiesel said:
Hmmm... let me think about this one...

The same GM who drafted in past years:
  • Peja Stojakovic
  • Jason Williams
  • Hedo Turkoglu
  • Gerald Wallace
  • Kevin Martin
I think I will put a little more faith in GP after some of the great pick ups hes managed to pull off.
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Yeah, he picked Peja over Nash, Ilgauskas and Jermaine O'Neal. The next year he picked Tariq Abdil-Wahad over Brevin Knight and Bobby Jackson. Next year it was Jason Williams over Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, Larry Hughes, and Ricky Davis, among others. In round 2 he picked Jerome James over Cuttino Mobley and Rafer Alston. In '99 he had traded away our first round pick, but in the second round it was Ryan Robertson over Ginobili. In '00 it was Hedo over Michael Redd. In '01 it was Gerald Wallace over Gilbert Arenas, Tony Parker, Mehmet Okur, Bobby Simmons and Sam Dalembert. In '02 he passed on Carlos Boozer in order to pick Dan Dickau and trade him to Atlanta for a future 1st round pick. In '03 we got no picks at all, because he'd traded both of them away already.

Don't get me wrong, I think that Petrie has done some things awfully right over the last decade or so. But we shouldn't tell ourselves that he's infallible, because nobody is, and he's no exception.
 
fnordius said:
Yeah, he picked Peja over Nash, Ilgauskas and Jermaine O'Neal. The next year he picked Tariq Abdil-Wahad over Brevin Knight and Bobby Jackson. Next year it was Jason Williams over Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, Larry Hughes, and Ricky Davis, among others. In round 2 he picked Jerome James over Cuttino Mobley and Rafer Alston. In '99 he had traded away our first round pick, but in the second round it was Ryan Robertson over Ginobili. In '00 it was Hedo over Michael Redd. In '01 it was Gerald Wallace over Gilbert Arenas, Tony Parker, Mehmet Okur, Bobby Simmons and Sam Dalembert. In '02 he passed on Carlos Boozer in order to pick Dan Dickau and trade him to Atlanta for a future 1st round pick. In '03 we got no picks at all, because he'd traded both of them away already.

Don't get me wrong, I think that Petrie has done some things awfully right over the last decade or so. But we shouldn't tell ourselves that he's infallible, because nobody is, and he's no exception.
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I don't think the point is that Petrie is a perfect drafter -- no one is, and you could play the "should have drafted X" game with any GM. But his track record is good enough to take a wait-and-see approach and not leap to any conclusions about Douby.
 
You really cannot judge rookies until you at least see them play in a few games and you really need to wait a few years to see what the player can actually do. You never know... someone who was expected to be a horrible player, might turn out to be really good (Dorell Wright). Or a really good player might turn out to be much worse than expected (Stromile Swift).
 
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