[Trade] Warriors have obvious Jonathan Kuminga trade demand after latest Kings reports

[Jdbraver137]

The Warriors are waiting, trying to get someone to bite and give them a 1st rounder for a guy that they have fully evaluated for years and found not worth playing. Marvin Bagley is currently a better NBA player than Kuminga, but I know that is hard to acknowledge, because we already got to see Bagley in a Kings uniform.

Go place a bet that Kuminga is going to make an All-Star team, if you're in favor of this trade. It isn't happening

Woah hold your horses. Bagley? Bagley?

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Woah hold your horses. Bagley? Bagley?

That's right. Let that sink in. Marvin Bagley is currently a better NBA player than Kuminga. If he was on the Warriors roster, he'd likely be in their rotation.

 

[Padrino]

Right. All I'm saying is from a process perspective from the decision makers; if they actually believe Kuminga is an all-star talent, then you don't let a FRP get in the way of going and getting him.

That math has changed now, but I would have been fine with it in the summer just purely from that perspective of how highly our FO viewed him.

From a process perspective, I agree, as long as the front office in question has a strong enough track record to justify making such a risky bet. First round draft picks are absolutely the most important coin of the realm in a post-apron CBA. Smart teams simply will not trade them for less than a sure thing. So: 1) you had better be very convinced of Kuminga's All-Star talent if you're going to part with a first rounder to get him, and 2) I was not ready to put that much faith in this front office's evaluative skills over the summer, and I'm still not ready to extend them that level of trust. The Kings aren't climbing the mountain back to relevance without every first rounder they currently own, and they'll likely need to pilfer a few more along the way, as Perry did heading into this year's draft. It was probably his strongest move as GM thus far, from that same process perspective.

 

[SacTownKid]

I would buy low on Kuminga but worry that our stagnant low ball movement offence would bring out the worst in him.

And whatever long term contract he's going to have is still an impediment to building. If Kuminga is what he looks like, Perry's "patient build" is toast before it even got started. See you in 3 seasons with a new GM, new coach, and the merry go round starts again. The Kings are so bad right now there is only one option and that's to do this the common sense way. Rookie contracts are gold and a clearer cap is the way. Keeping Keegan is enough but they need to prep for the future. Kuminga on a rookie deal? Different than Kuminga on a short deal making 20 million plus a season.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

4th best player is still valuable as long as they aren't paid like a super star. Sometimes they are the glue you only notice when they are gone and everything turns to poop.

Barnes, Harrison.

As one of the more vocal Barnes defenders on this site, I exclude myself from the not noticing category

 

[SacTownKid]

Right. All I'm saying is from a process perspective from the decision makers; if they actually believe Kuminga is an all-star talent, then you don't let a FRP get in the way of going and getting him.

That math has changed now, but I would have been fine with it in the summer just purely from that perspective of how highly our FO viewed him.

Perry dodged one bullet (Kuminga) and got hit by another (Schroder) this summer. He's still walking, he better not look a gift horse in the mouth and derail his plan day 1. If Monk for Kuminga straight up got it done, great, it gets them out of the Monk contract at worst. The issue is if Kuminga gets highlighted, puts up numbers, the team still isn't a contender and they re-sign Kuminga to some majorly huge contract, it's going to be a lot tougher to get where they want. The Kings need to be looking at potential stars on cheap, easy to factor in contracts like ones they'd find through the draft or an SGA style swing. Rookie deals = time to assess and take measured swings. If they put Kuminga in the position they were supposedly going to and they still don't win then Perry is in a rough spot. He pretty much has to go out next summer and start thinking about building a winner then because after next season Kuminga is a FA yet again and Perry will have even less financial resources to work with.

 

[The_Jamal]

That's right. Let that sink in. Marvin Bagley is currently a better NBA player than Kuminga. If he was on the Warriors roster, he'd likely be in their rotation.

Woof

Based on what?

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I thought Christie was their development guy? Spending summers working with Sabonis and others

They gave guys their own personal coach. Perhaps Christie was Doug’s? But he was also give a shooting coach iirc. I forget which assistants were obviously paired with who during sparring shootarounds.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

They gave guys their own personal coach. Perhaps Christie was Doug’s? But he was also give a shooting coach iirc. I forget which assistants were obviously paired with who during sparring shootarounds.

I recall him being viewed as the highest level former player on the coaching staff, who had the tag of high iQ, defense and team first. The guy to go to for individual player advice

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Woof

Based on what?

Bagley's numbers this year are...umm...pretty darn good. While Kuminga has been jerked around and his advanced stats are in the toilet when he plays.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2006139151091929156

In which the Warriors trade three dudes they don’t really want and a protected pick for Keon, Claxton and Klay and our second round pick this year.

Kings would also end up with three starting point guards on the roster in this scenario and zinger’s corpse.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2006139151091929156

In which the Warriors trade three dudes they don’t really want and a protected pick for Keon, Claxton and Klay and our second round pick this year.

Kings would also end up with three starting point guards on the roster in this scenario and zinger’s corpse.

This belongs in the Dumb Trades Proposed By The Internet thread!

Since swapping Young and LaVine is basically a push in terms of contract, and fit on the team (27 years old or not, I'd call Young a win-now player, not a build-going-forward player), that means the trade breaks down to:

We give up Domas, Keon, and a good 2nd
We get Kuminga and Porzingis.

And since Porzingis is useless to us (again, win-now player), that means we give up Domas, Keon, and a good pick for Kuminga. That value is so desperately off that even ClutchPoints should be able to see it.

 

[Sluggah]

Kuminga gives me “younger Kyle Kuzma” vibes.

 

[SacTownKid]

Kuminga gives me “younger Kyle Kuzma” vibes.

In a way yeah, but if he had DeMars game offensively. Not nearly as good at it though.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I recall him being viewed as the highest level former player on the coaching staff, who had the tag of high iQ, defense and team first. The guy to go to for individual player advice

Being the best player doesn't make you the best teacher, just as being the best player didn't make MJ the best basketball executive or Bill Russell the best coach when he wasn't also his own star player.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Being the best player doesn't make you the best teacher, just as being the best player didn't make MJ the best basketball executive or Bill Russell the best coach when he wasn't also his own star player.

True, not the best in the league, but maybe the best choice that was available to Kings players. Sabonis thought so

 

[LoungeLizard]

Perry isn’t the only one. Pretty much everyone but Monte feels this way. Those guys are the hardest to find.

Hahaha…never change sactowndog. I hope 10 years from now I’m still reading posts from you taking digs at Monte.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Hahaha…never change sactowndog. I hope 10 years from now I’m still reading posts from you taking digs at Monte.

Pete D'Alessandro was let go over 10 years ago and he was still complaining about him NINE DAYS AGO (even if MizzouKing brought it up):

Pete was horrible but not a GM long enough to be the worst.

I think you can safely assume you'll watch many posters here relitigate the past until the heat death of the universe.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Pete D'Alessandro was let go over 10 years ago and he was still complaining about him NINE DAYS AGO (even if MizzouKing brought it up):



I think you can safely assume you'll watch many posters here relitigate the past until the heat death of the universe.

Seems like he was ... defending him almost? He was absolutely here long enough to be the worst. Let Reke and IT2 go for practically nothing and pushed out one of the top 3 coaches we had in the entire team tenure in Sacramento. There's a reason I refuse to say his name.

 

[sactowndog]

Pete D'Alessandro was let go over 10 years ago and he was still complaining about him NINE DAYS AGO (even if MizzouKing brought it up):



I think you can safely assume you'll watch many posters here relitigate the past until the heat death of the universe.

You are saying I was talking about Pete? I only said he was not here long enough to be the worst GM.

 

[sactowndog]

Seems like he was ... defending him almost? He was absolutely here long enough to be the worst. Let Reke and IT2 go for practically nothing and pushed out one of the top 3 coaches we had in the entire team tenure in Sacramento. There's a reason I refuse to say his name.

Not sure saying he wasn’t here long enough to rank is hardly defending him.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Not sure saying he wasn’t here long enough to rank is hardly defending him.

He absolutely was here long enough to rank though. He did more damage in two years without a single positive to show for it than anyone with a longer tenure can claim. Bill Russell is the only person close and he only had the job for one year and at the end of the day he was more in the disappointing category than he was an active saboteur on the franchise's best interest. I've even seen it implied elsewhere that the reason he let IT2 go to Phoenix was as part of his scheme to get rid of Malone.