[Trade] Warriors have obvious Jonathan Kuminga trade demand after latest Kings reports

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If they don’t want monk then take Derozan this isn’t complicated. I really hope that we’re not incompetent enough to give up an unprotected pick for an unproven guy who’s about to walk from them
Here's the thing though. If our FO believes he's an all star and cornerstone player, (which, I'm dubious of), then you have to go get him. You can't let a guy you think had that sort of upside walk away.

I don't have that valuation on him, but he does have a rare upside that Sacramento rarely gets access too. They'd have to be right of course, but if you're going to swing, swing on a upside play like Kuminga
 
Here's the thing though. If our FO believes he's an all star and cornerstone player, (which, I'm dubious of), then you have to go get him. You can't let a guy you think had that sort of upside walk away.

I don't have that valuation on him, but he does have a rare upside that Sacramento rarely gets access too. They'd have to be right of course, but if you're going to swing, swing on a upside play like Kuminga.
No way to hit a home run unless you swing hard. A lot can happen between now and 2030. A competent front office might even pick up a first-round draft pick.
 
From a selfish perspective, I want a Kuminga deal just so I have something mildly interesting to root for this year. My excitement for this current squad is at a low I haven't had in several years. For every player I'm somewhat interested in watching (Clifford), my interest is dashed with cold water (a glut of guards/no playing time). I can't imagine a scenario where they acquire Kuminga and then don't play him big minutes, so always fun to have the hope of a young player that might actually hit big (regardless of the percent chance of that happening). I don't believe we should go totally unprotected on a first, but I'm fine with something like top 5 protected. Kuminga's upside is still good enough he probably is the equivalent to a decent lottery pick in the future.
 
And if we aren't going to rebuild *newsflash, we arent* then frp should also become ammo to trade.

Just have to embrace that reality of this ownership group. There's going to be no reset, ever

LaVine has a player option for next season. DeRozan's contract is only guaranteed for $10 million next season if we waive him. And Sabonis may only be months away from asking for a trade. I think the reset is happening whether ownership wants it or not.
 
LaVine has a player option for next season. DeRozan's contract is only guaranteed for $10 million next season if we waive him. And Sabonis may only be months away from asking for a trade. I think the reset is happening whether ownership wants it or not.

They'll find a way. Instead of fully investing in Keon and Carter to see if either can lock down a full time lead guard spot for the future, they got a vet to block them
 
Here's the thing though. If our FO believes he's an all star and cornerstone player, (which, I'm dubious of), then you have to go get him. You can't let a guy you think had that sort of upside walk away.

I don't have that valuation on him, but he does have a rare upside that Sacramento rarely gets access too. They'd have to be right of course, but if you're going to swing, swing on a upside play like Kuminga

The Kings still need to view he or any other target as an asset as well though. From the looks of it the Warriors haven't had their door beaten down with sign and trade offers and that's with a player very openly dangling. The smart play is to proceed with caution simply because of that fact. This is the same story of possibly overvaluing players only to find a completely invisible market trade wise at some point just like they found with Lyles and other players on the cap sheet now and in the past.
 
LaVine has a player option for next season. DeRozan's contract is only guaranteed for $10 million next season if we waive him. And Sabonis may only be months away from asking for a trade. I think the reset is happening whether ownership wants it or not.

The Kings haven't fully reset but when they dealt Cuz they did partially go rebuild. The issue there was they immediately again tried to skip the line thinking George Hill and Zbo were going to lead the team to wins at the same time. Players like Hill, Zbo, VC, Koufos, and Temple gobbled up minutes that should have been prioritized to develop young guys like Papa G, Skal, and Justin Jackson.
 
The Kings haven't fully reset but when they dealt Cuz they did partially go rebuild. The issue there was they immediately again tried to skip the line thinking George Hill and Zbo were going to lead the team to wins at the same time. Players like Hill, Zbo, VC, Koufos, and Temple gobbled up minutes that should have been prioritized to develop young guys like Papa G, Skal, and Justin Jackson.

The ZBo, George Hill, and Vince Carter signings all happened during Scott Perry's previous stint in the Kings front office too, though he wasn't the head guy in charge at that point and may have already been checked out since the Knicks made him their GM 4 days later.
 

Do we really want Kuminga? I’m not saying this tells the whole story, but his lack of understanding and IQ seem like a big concern and why Kerr refuses to play him.

Yeah there's warts. But if there weren't, he wouldn't be on his way out of GS and this never would be an option.

The Kuminga gamble to me remains the best possible bet the Kings can make. Go get the guy before the potential breakout. It's a gamble and it's certainly high variance, but it's what a team that's stuck as the 17th best team in basketball should be looking to do. Either reset and gut the team or go look for guys that can take you from 17th to 8th
 
I think a move for Kuminga is worth it, but I have to state the obvious: Are the Kings really the team to develop a young player?
I'd be happy if the Kings can secure him, but I'm not going to be super unhappy if they don't get him either.
 
I think a move for Kuminga is worth it, but I have to state the obvious: Are the Kings really the team to develop a young player?
I'd be happy if the Kings can secure him, but I'm not going to be super unhappy if they don't get him either.
They've done well with UDFA pickups, less great with 2nd round picks. I think the real question is where Kuminga's head is at, not so much an IQ question but was he refusing to do what he was asked with GSW or was he really being slighted. It could even be both, but how will he respond in a new environment especially once the honeymoon period ends.

It's definitely a huge gamble but if it's a top 5 protected pick at stake and clears up the logjam of guards it is more of a gamble we can't afford not to make if it's there.
 
I wouldn’t mind Kuminga but not at the expense of a player like Monk or DDR AND a lightly protected first.
Doesn’t really knock down the 3, not known for defense…..feels like a tweener whose game probably has to resemble a DDR. DDR though got to the foul line quite a bit and I’m not sure that’s Kuminga’s game.

Just feels like a risk although it balances the roster a bit. Has to be other guys we take a risk on or who can be productive, balance the roster AND clear the way for Nique and other younger guys currently on roster
 

Do we really want Kuminga? I’m not saying this tells the whole story, but his lack of understanding and IQ seem like a big concern and why Kerr refuses to play him.

Admittedly I'm always thinking about the defense first, and what I see on this current Kings squad is a coach who built his reputation as a player on the strength of his individual defense but a group of players who lack the physical attributes to adequately defend the three point line from sideline to sideline. We've got a number of solid defensive guards, one solid defensive forward in Keegan, an elite rebounder in Sabonis and a utility big in Isaac Jones. Getting Kuminga would allow Doug to move Keegan back to SF where he's better suited, using his length and quickness to contain smaller ballhandlers. I wouldn't say that Kuminga is an elite defender or even a good one right now, but he does have a rare mix of speed, strength, and leaping ability which would allow him to guard all of the stronger combo forwards who have eaten us for dinner the past few years. And with an expanded role (he was never going to be able to displace the cult of personality that is Draymond Green on the Warriors) and defensive-focused coaching I could see him ultimately becoming an above-average two-way player.

We're going to have a bit of a rough year regardless with a squad awkwardly pitched between young guys who are ready for bigger roles (Keegan, Ellis, Jones, Carter, and even Clifford who is an older rookie) and vets who will want to get their stats for contract negotiation or legacy reasons (LaVine, DeRozan, Monk, Schröder, Sabonis). But if you look a year down the road we could maybe start a lineup of Keon Ellis (as a 3 and D off-ball PG), Nique Clifford (as the primary pick and roll ball handler), Keegan Murray (continuing to be a floor spacer and occasional driving threat), and Kuminga (as the lob threat and secondary creator). The C spot may be Sabonis or someone else but with those 4 as the defensive core we could actually have a squad a year from now that matches Doug's personality as a player. And that gives us a shot at having a team identity and a foundation for future success. A lot of work needs to happen between now and then but that is a group I wouldn't mind betting on for their defensive potential.
 
No way to hit a home run unless you swing hard. A lot can happen between now and 2030. A competent front office might even pick up a first-round draft pick.

We don’t have anything close to a competent front office so that’s a mute point y’all are willing to give up an unprotected pick for him but not seconds for Zion crazy


Do we really want Kuminga? I’m not saying this tells the whole story, but his lack of understanding and IQ seem like a big concern and why Kerr refuses to play him.

Dudes waving off Steph to shoot contested mid range shots that he’s not even good at this is madness. GSW being significantly worse with him sharing the court with Steph/Butler has to be a major red flag
 

Warriors eager to see these through to the bitter end lol
Honest to god if he is worth say 25m a year, most people say ok team option at a premium or player option at a discount. Dubs are like "You'll take team option at a discount and like it and also if we can't trade you we're definitely not picking up your option unless we strike out in free agency" so yeah.

My question is why would free agents be so eager to sign with the team doing this 2 years from now?
 
I wouldn’t mind Kuminga but not at the expense of a player like Monk or DDR AND a lightly protected first.
Doesn’t really knock down the 3, not known for defense…..feels like a tweener whose game probably has to resemble a DDR. DDR though got to the foul line quite a bit and I’m not sure that’s Kuminga’s game.

Just feels like a risk although it balances the roster a bit. Has to be other guys we take a risk on or who can be productive, balance the roster AND clear the way for Nique and other younger guys currently on roster
I agree with every word of this post. Also - If we could disguise DDR and hide him in another jersey, I’d love to have him back in some capacity (preferably off the bench) but the reality is that he barely got anywhere near the same type of foul calls when he arrived in Sac. Smh.
 

Do we really want Kuminga? I’m not saying this tells the whole story, but his lack of understanding and IQ seem like a big concern and why Kerr refuses to play him.
I have so many questions..
If he's that bad, why are they afraid of him flourishing in the Kings' uniform? There's something about him we still don't know yet?
Why are they holding on to him so dearly when training camp is underway, risking losing him for nothing with only 9 players on their roster?
Anyone could make clips of boneheaded plays of Curry in the finals to make him a villain.

At the end, I want a wing that could put Keegan in his natural position. It's all about making this team more balanced, not his individual glory.
All I want from him is solid wing defense, which we lacked for centuries and decent scoring for the price we're asking.
 
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