[Trade] Warriors have obvious Jonathan Kuminga trade demand after latest Kings reports
They don’t want to answer the obvious questions and or they don’t want to tip their hand.
Padrino
All-Star
BillyStrings
G-League
Say what?!? They are avoiding the media on Media Day? Talk about a way to make the news in all the wrong ways.
Doesn't sound like a guy willing to cave on the contract offer. Good!
I don't see why he should take the QO when he can ride his 23 million cap hold until opening day.
The 1+1 player option sounds like where this will break if he plays absolute hardball. Would at least give him a path towards early-Bird if he likes the team he is dealt to or he opts out and tests FA. Should be able to at minimum get MLE money on that.
The 1+1 player option sounds like where this will break if he plays absolute hardball. Would at least give him a path towards early-Bird if he likes the team he is dealt to or he opts out and tests FA. Should be able to at minimum get MLE money on that.
Section 101
All-Star
Warriors won't do a player option. They will only do team option or none.
They're playing a game of chicken. JK said "give me a PO." GSW said "No." JK said "I'll take the QO." GSW said "Sure, you do that."
Now Kuminga has to decide whether to blink or not. Tomorrow's the deadline. The Warriors don't have a "blink" deadline.
So he basically has to flip them off and take the QO, or he loses. Gonna be a fun season in the Bay Area!
If he doesn't take the QO he still eats 23 million of cap unless they renounce him.
So if he declines the QO, then he basically has to accept whatever the Warriors throw at him right? Unless they just renounce him, which they obviously wont
Yeah. I think they could technically pull their current offer and throw out a ridiculously bad contract instead. Not much he can do except find somebody that still has some MLE to make an offer and force them to match if they do that. I guess he could go full-spite and just let them stew in his cap hold.
But really, I gotta figure it resolves today, one way or the other, and the way that makes the most sense to me right now is he takes the QO to get the no-trade clause, then tries to force his way to somewhere he wants to be. That's not great news for us, because even though we could easily be on the receiving end this year (as he seems to be very interested to come here) we'd have a tough time giving him more than the MLE next year, so getting outbid in free agency is a real danger. Ideal for us would be the Warriors caving in to 2 years guaranteed then swinging a deal for somebody like DDR at the deadline, giving us a chance to get him under Early Bird down the road. I doubt that though.
Yeah we wouldnt take him on the QO. It'd be for the proposed s&t
The base year compensation rules go into effect if they sign him to a contract that use his Bird rules. If he signed the QO the only restrictions are they have to wait to trade him. BUT he also has a no-trade clause and he would likely make them go through this next year to get the sign and trade deal he wants, but as an unrestricted.
If he declines the QO, and the Warriors move on and get hard capped for any reason, they lose the ability to match him possibly. @kingsboi brings up what seems like a previously undiscussed option. I think the notion that Kuminga loses all leverage if the QO expires is slightly misguided because we've never seen this before - not only with restricted free agents, but with a team with multiple players ready to sign that it can't move forward with.
The problem with this scenario is that Golden State's RFA rights only go away once he signs the QO, or another contract with GSW, or somebody's offer sheet. If he goes off to Europe, they just submit another QO next offseason and he's still an RFA.
They carry his cap hold until they renounce though.
It's kind of fun watching them squirm
What I don't get is if they want to trade him anyway why not either give him the PO or guarantee the 3rd year. He'll be on another team in 6 months to a year anyways.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Right it’s not like he’d have a no trade clause
Meanwhile half of the other deals GSW are proposing create them by screwing him out of any Bird potential. I think just pulling the option off either side makes it the most tradeable contract. Receiving team knows they have 3 years at a price and he won't opt out after the 2nd year and demand a king's ransom. If a team is hesitant about trading for him on a 3 year deal maybe they shouldn't trade for him.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
I never understood that either. They should have a good sense of what other teams are willing to pay Kuminga, contract wise, at this point. If anything, it gets easier to move him later once the BYC issue goes away, and you can match salaries without also having to jettison Heild or Moody.
I suppose its possible they actually have a deal worked out with some random team? Although they've even offered him a 2 year 1+1 that was a team option. Like wtf. They sure aren't taking the high road even if they think Kuminga is acting in bad faith.
I wonder if this winds up killing RFA in the next CBA. Which would be great, bully spoiled team winds up killing one of the few decent small market protections that work.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Desperation. The smell is strong with this one.
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