[Trade] Warriors have obvious Jonathan Kuminga trade demand after latest Kings reports

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sactowndog said:
Zach is not even on the roster for 29 other teams at that price.
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He's overpaid, we get it. Literally nobody here is arguing against that.

His money will be off the books by the time we need it to stay under the apron. We're 50 million+ over the cap. The difference between him and Fox and a bunch of dead weight eating up 35 million is that he is playing and shooting 3s at a high level. If he's healthy, and we put the right players around him, all of that is fine. We'd have to delete 70+ million to even make an offer above the MLE.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
My point is that you don't ask a dog to carry your packs across the desert and you don't ask a camel to hunt. Vivek is what he is - call him the camel - but you insist on trying to frame every single thing this franchise does as if he were the dog. He's not the dog. If you keep trying to analyze his moves as if he's the dog, you're not going to get anywhere. You have to put yourself in the shoes of the camel.
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You may want to trademark that last sentence “You have to put yourself in the shoes of the camel.”
 
Blue Man Hoop said:


As the Golden State Warriors have tried to find a resolution to their Jonathan Kuminga conundrum this offseason, a serious suitor has emerged who could relieve the team of their worries. Although a deal getting done sooner rather than later would likely be in Golden State's best interest, they can afford to wait given their considerable leverage in this situation.

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LOL they have zero leverage, actually, and they're about to screw themselves in this process. Kuminga isn't a dream of mine, so I'll be happy either way and I have a feeling the Kings share a similar sentiment. If we can get him for something reasonable, I'll certainly celebrate that but if the Warriors think everyone needs to bend the knee just because they won a few championships in the last 10 years, they're in for a rude awakening.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
He's overpaid, we get it. Literally nobody here is arguing against that.

His money will be off the books by the time we need it to stay under the apron. We're 50 million+ over the cap. The difference between him and Fox and a bunch of dead weight eating up 35 million is that he is playing and shooting 3s at a high level. If he's healthy, and we put the right players around him, all of that is fine. We'd have to delete 70+ million to even make an offer above the MLE.
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Jesus. There's no way the thread continues the argument after this post right here, right? This should end it.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
He's overpaid, we get it. Literally nobody here is arguing against that.

His money will be off the books by the time we need it to stay under the apron. We're 50 million+ over the cap. The difference between him and Fox and a bunch of dead weight eating up 35 million is that he is playing and shooting 3s at a high level. If he's healthy, and we put the right players around him, all of that is fine. We'd have to delete 70+ million to even make an offer above the MLE.
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So who you trading: Zach or Sabonis? You make the same argument against both of them and neither are the player the other one needs.
 
sactowndog said:
So who you trading: Zach or Sabonis? You make the same argument against both of them and neither are the player the other one needs.
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This may be 100 percent correct, but my thing is we really don’t have much of a sample size of them together. We as fans underrate how hard it is to implement a piece like LaVine mid season. New schemes, new teammates, just up and move your family at the drop of a dime and expect to perform at a high level. LaVine at times looked lost on how to play off Domas. On top of that Domas missed a big chunk of the 2nd half of the year, then the 1 game play in happened and left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth. I think theres potentially another level LaVine and Sabonis can get to with a year of continuity and a training camp together.
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
Carter was an older rookie in the lottery now going into his second season zero reason for him not to be getting major minuets catering to this gap year bull crap
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I agree with the idea and that's Kangz for you, now it's about limiting damage, lol. He's not old or anything. He's even younger than Clifford. If the Kings turn this into a full on 2 year waste of time then that's on them for sure. It'll take all the older rookies and probably Keon/Keegan with them. Players like Carter and Clifford are already pretty well developed now it's a question of where they settle. For those actually paying attention in summer league we saw with Carter what older players tend to do, when they are asked to work on something, his was PG skills, the curve is a lot steeper if they do improve. Over his last two games he averaged nearly 7 assists and ended up leading the team on average in assists. If the opportunity comes Carter will be pretty easy to discern with a nice run of games with consistent minutes and role. Just like with Keon who didn't even get running until he was 24-25 really. Look at Jones as well who is going to be what 26? Steeper curve. The only real bad part is the Kings have to put trade value to the side, but they clearly already have with their recent moves.
 
TheMobb said:
This may be 100 percent correct, but my thing is we really don’t have much of a sample size of them together. We as fans underrate how hard it is to implement a piece like LaVine mid season. New schemes, new teammates, just up and move your family at the drop of a dime and expect to perform at a high level. LaVine at times looked lost on how to play off Domas. On top of that Domas missed a big chunk of the 2nd half of the year, then the 1 game play in happened and left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth. I think theres potentially another level LaVine and Sabonis can get to with a year of continuity and a training camp together.
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I agree. If they think Schroder is the key to making that work? Eh, I don't see it but maybe. This sure feels like an overcorrection to a star complaint that you didn't follow through with. Fox wanted wings and was more than willing for Monte to sacrifice the future to do so, Domas wanted a PG. Careful what you wish for big man and Kings. If Domas is asked to be a pick and roll finisher over playmaker that's not going to help his value. Schroder at his best has always essentially kind of played like Monk anyway. More slashing probably because he's got a much better frame to do so but still. Earlier in his careed he played D, not in awhile though. LaVine and Domas in a two man game is the best chance this team has if they actually want to build something now.
 
Padrino said:
Eh, a distraction from what? The Kings were 25-24 at the time De'Aaron Fox was traded. This is the Western Conference. The 8th seed finished 14 games over .500 last season. The 6th seed finished 16 games over .500. The Kings were not making up that kind of ground after a major mid-season trade. It almost never happens in the NBA. Roster shifts like that at the deadline are disruptive more often than not. The season was essentially lost the minute De'Aaron Fox demanded a trade. The Kings were consigned to the 9th or 10th seed, at best, whether or not they moved Fox.

We already knew he wanted a max extension and we already knew he was likely going to need surgery on his finger. Likewise, the Spurs already knew he wanted a max extension and already knew he was likely going to need surgery on his finger. And Chicago wasn't going to have any other suitors for Zach LaVine. Whatever "mystery injury" Fox may have suffered this off-season, it didn't stop San Antonio from inking him to that max extension, so they seem unconcerned by it. There was simply no downside to waiting to see how the array of possible outcomes developed in the off-season, after the draft reshaped the NBA landscape. It's harder for franchises under duress to maneuver at the trade deadline. You give away your leverage when you let the pressure of that deadline force your hand. That's exactly what Rich Paul wanted, and a franchise with greater conviction wouldn't have blinked. I stand by it.
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Oh, I get all that.

I wasn't talking about his finger. His current mystery injury (Achilles, hamstring, ???) is what I was referring to. Maybe SA doesn't care about it, but every other team even considering trading for him certainly would be concerned about both, and lowball offers would get even lower. And with his stated "SA or bust" for re-signing that wasn't going to improve anyone else's offer in the offseason to begin with.

We'll just agree to disagree on this issue. Holding on to a malcontent rarely works to the team's benefit.
 
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