Voisin: Webber didn't want to adjust

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http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/basketball/kings/story/14035201p-14867148c.html
Ailene Voisin: Kings had evolved without Webber, and he didn't want to adjust
By Ailene Voisin -- Bee Sports Columnist
Published 2:15 am PST Tuesday, January 3, 2006


Chris Webber won't limp into Arco Arena tonight, won't be seen clutching a swollen left knee and wincing in pain. Those days appear to be over. He is sleeker and healthier, and, on the court, a more effective and complementary scorer than when he was traded to the Philadelphia 76ers for Corliss Williamson, Kenny Thomas and Brian Skinner.

But no second thoughts.

The boss stuck with the coach, in essence, dictating that the best player had to go. The swap that polarized the city was the inevitable conclusion of a championship run that stalled against Los Angeles in 2002, remained stuck in neutral in 2002-03, and then kick-started impressively in 2003-04, only to be halted later that season by circumstance (Webber's rushed return from major knee surgery) and timid coaching and organizational demeanors (disrupting the rhythm of a surprisingly cohesive, dangerous unit).

The Webber reprise and Kings rebirth never would have happened, mainly, because Webber never would have been forced to change. The power forward who emerged this season as a willing passer and accommodating teammate, whose offensive gifts mitigate the defensive limitations caused by decreased mobility and lateral movement, would have clung to the past without regard for the team's future.

Kings officials urged him to shed weight to relieve pressure on his surgically repaired knee. They asked him to move the ball. They encouraged him to be a selfless leader, to collaborate with the coaches and uncover ways to better utilize Mike Bibby's talents, to instill confidence in a fragile Peja Stojakovic, to play off Brad Miller's passing fancies, to discover the means to dominate despite a decrease of explosive athleticism.

They demanded too little.

They enabled. They retarded his progress.

Though visibly hobbled, Webber wanted the same role, the same routine, wanted everything to remain the same. But it was too late for that, for a full recovery, and as it turns out, a serious shot at redemption. The Kings had moved on, had moved ahead, and with Miller having eased into the starting lineup, had snatched the league's best record and produced one breathtaking sequence after another. Or as one highly regarded Western Conference coach noted in February 2004, the Kings unit his staff hoped to avoid in the playoffs was the one that featured Webber ... in street clothes.

Turns out, that was never a problem. Was never a problem except for the Kings. Thrusting a laboring Webber back into the starting lineup during the closing weeks - under the pretext of getting him ready for the postseason - merely lit the fuse for the ensuing implosion.

The Kings were never the same, were never as good. Major change thus became inevitable. With the coaching staff intact, a demoralized Vlade Divac signed with the Lakers. Doug Christie was traded. Webber was dispatched to the 76ers for three veterans who were healthier, and, according to the spin out of the Kings' front office, afforded salary cap flexibility and signaled the club's transition toward a more defense-oriented approach.

Initially for the Kings, the swap looked as good as it sounded. The newcomers blocked shots, stole passes, established a physical presence. They also came cheaper and offered individual selling points. And then they stopped playing, falling victim to the all-too-familiar Kings theme: Defense wins, but around here, offense rules.

"You can't argue that coming into the season, on top of adding Bonzi (Wells) and Shareef (Abdur-Rahim) that we thought we would have increased depth and flexibility," acknowledged Kings president Geoff Petrie. "To this point, the product hasn't been what we expected. But I think both of these teams think they're better than their records."

This is why Petrie - whose moves usually score points for the Kings - is suddenly subject to questioning, why coach Rick Adelman's job security is shaky, why the Kings don't loom as major players in the postseason chase. Heck, why they probably won't make the playoffs.

Can't blame any of this on Webber. Can't keep the same coach and the same system without obtaining the same type of parts. Round pegs still don't fit into square holes.

While it would have been interesting to watch Webber with a more forceful coach, someone who required the former All-Star to improve his conditioning before reclaiming his starting job, who persuaded him to shed the 10-15 pounds of upper body bulk he carried despite admonishments from Petrie and pleas from the trainers, that was never the issue.

Adelman stayed, Webber had to go.

So, no, no second thoughts.

Time moves on. The scrutiny these days is directed elsewhere.

About the writer:
Reach Ailene Voisin at (916) 321-1208 or
avoisin@sacbee.com.
 

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The boss stuck with the coach, in essence, dictating that the best player had to go. The swap that polarized the city was the inevitable conclusion of a championship run that stalled against Los Angeles in 2002, remained stuck in neutral in 2002-03, and then kick-started impressively in 2003-04, only to be halted later that season by circumstance (Webber's rushed return from major knee surgery) and timid coaching and organizational demeanors (disrupting the rhythm of a surprisingly cohesive, dangerous unit).
Good to see the old Voisin back at peak form. She manages to rewrite history, making the whole thing about Webber vs. Adelman - AND finds ways to bash both of them.

If I actually cared, I could go back to some of her old articles and point to the comments about it being Webber v. Vlade or Webber v. Peja, but at this point, it's pretty clear...It's always going to be against Webber. When she can also make it sound like Adelman was to blame, she's in seventh heaven.
 

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Webber was dispatched to the 76ers for three veterans who were healthier, and, according to the spin out of the Kings' front office, afforded salary cap flexibility and signaled the club's transition toward a more defense-oriented approach.
Read that paragraph very carefully. And then...read it again. We may never know ALL the real reasons behind the Webber trade, but I think that little comment pretty much reinforces what a lot of us believed all along. The "flexibility" rationale was smoke and mirrors, and the defense-oriented approach was just blowing smoke up our collective skirts.
 

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Can we ship her to Philly so she can continue to cover her favorite "victim" for the local paper there? Please?
 
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Voisin is unquestionably the most biased sports writer I have ever heard of.......some of this stuff is pure garbage - the rest is beyond defintion.
 
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if only adelman was tougher and webber wasn't so selfish then we could probably have 3 titles by now. i can't believe how those two guys ruined everything.:rolleyes:

ailene poison is back!!
 
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VF21 said:
Good to see the old Voisin back at peak form. She manages to rewrite history, making the whole thing about Webber vs. Adelman - AND finds ways to bash both of them.

If I actually cared, I could go back to some of her old articles and point to the comments about it being Webber v. Vlade or Webber v. Peja, but at this point, it's pretty clear...It's always going to be against Webber. When she can also make it sound like Adelman was to blame, she's in seventh heaven.
I really don't want to start into a pissing match about this but she is completely correct about the whole Adelman/Webber thing. Part of the reason that Chris is gone is that he had too much control over the team and took away some of Adelman's power. Believe me if you want but I know this to be fact.
 
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Even though we don't get the Sacramento Bee save for over the web, and even though the only articles I would read are posted on here anyway, I have to admit that it seems like Ailene can't let the whole Webber thing go.
 
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what part of the article didnt you agree with? she was right, adelman made alot of mistakes when webber came back from the injury. there is no way in the world he should have been starting. i dont understand how tim duncan who is one of the best players in the leage if not the best would come off the bench for the spurs when he had an injury but webber who isnt even close to what duncan is would start as soon as he comes back. if webber would of come off the bench and played 15 to 20 minutes instead of playing what he was playing this team could have a ring by now. but thats all in the past and no matter how much we talk about it we cant change the past. the webber trade was something that had to be done not because of that crap that petrie said about flexibility but because it was time to move on and webber is only a shade of what he used to be. im gonna watch the game and even though C-WEBB isnt on the team anymore im gonna cheer for him. just not when he plays the kings. GO KINGS!
 
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Warhawk said:
Can we ship her to Philly so she can continue to cover her favorite "victim" for the local paper there? Please?
I wouldn't wish her on my worst enemy and I happen to like Chris Webber very much :)

Now, on the article itself, the square peg round holes thing? Been saying that for months. Everything else? I read her articles (part of that self-inflicted pain thing I got going on) and I can't help but picture that teacher in the Peanuts/Charlie Brown cartoons. Wuamp Wuamp Wuamp...:rolleyes:
 
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Part of me now realizes that it may have been a better idea to go into the 03-04 season knowing that Webb would be out all year and letting him take his time (if nothing else tank the year and go for Dwight Howard).

Saying we would have won it all that year if Webb hadn't come back, or played a more limited role, is foolish though, IMO, as Webb wasn't the only reason the team faltered. Bobby was hurt, the schedule got harder, and while the offense was pretty and Peja put up big numbers, we never played defense and would have likely lost in the playoffs anyway.

But that's all what ifs. Taking these what ifs and putting them into a column that seemingly sets all of the blame at Webber and Adelman (her two favorie whipping boys of all time) is beyond me.
 

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Part of me now realizes that it may have been a better idea to go into the 03-04 season knowing that Webb would be out all year and letting him take his time (if nothing else tank the year and go for Dwight Howard).

Saying we would have won it all that year if Webb hadn't come back, or played a more limited role, is foolish though, IMO, as Webb wasn't the only reason the team faltered. Bobby was hurt, the schedule got harder, and while the offense was pretty and Peja put up big numbers, we never played defense and would have likely lost in the playoffs anyway.

But that's all what ifs. Taking these what ifs and putting them into a column that seemingly sets all of the blame at Webber and Adelman (her two favorie whipping boys of all time) is beyond me.
And that, in retrospect, might have made all the difference. The team that had worked so hard during his absence would have, for better or worse, been the team that went to the playoffs. Succeed or fail, it would have been on their shoulders.

If I could turn back time...
 
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This is why Petrie - whose moves usually score points for the Kings - is suddenly subject to questioning, why coach Rick Adelman's job security is shaky, why the Kings don't loom as major players in the postseason chase. Heck, why they probably won't make the playoffs.

Can't blame any of this on Webber. Can't keep the same coach and the same system without obtaining the same type of parts. Round pegs still don't fit into square holes.



About the writer:
Reach Ailene Voisin at (916) 321-1208 or avoisin@sacbee.com.
Well, 90% of it is the same old AV garbage. What did Webb do anyway, run over her dog?

I was however, a little surprised to see that she admitted that we can't blame this year's problems on Webb -- I thought sure she'd find a way that this is his fault.
 
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Ryle said:
I really don't want to start into a pissing match about this but she is completely correct about the whole Adelman/Webber thing. Part of the reason that Chris is gone is that he had too much control over the team and took away some of Adelman's power. Believe me if you want but I know this to be fact.
if that's the case, then RA has what he wanted. But, it seems to me that that if that's really true the team did better under his control than Adelman's.
 

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love_them_kings said:
Well, 90% of it is the same old AV garbage. What did Webb do anyway, run over her dog?

I was however, a little surprised to see that she admitted that we can't blame this year's problems on Webb -- I thought sure she'd find a way that this is his fault.
When has she ever really blamed Webber for anything? It's always RA's fault, or GP's, or someone else's. I am surprised she actually mentioned Webber at all in regards to being potentially responsible....
 

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No, no, no...you missed the point. It IS Webber's fault because if the Kings hadn't chosen to trade him over firing Adelman, then we'd have a new coach and NONE of our current problems would be happening.

BTW?

Did you catch the part about it being Webber's responsibility to "instill confidence in a fragile Peja Stojakovic"??????

If I was Peja, I certainly wouldn't want to be called "fragile" in a sports column.
 
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VF21 said:
No, no, no...you missed the point. It IS Webber's fault because if the Kings hadn't chosen to trade him over firing Adelman, then we'd have a new coach and NONE of our current problems would be happening.

BTW?

Did you catch the part about it being Webber's responsibility to "instill confidence in a fragile Peja Stojakovic"??????

If I was Peja, I certainly wouldn't want to be called "fragile" in a sports column.
Okay, now I've got it, I was confused there for a minute! ;)

Wow, I didn't catch that on the first read, but, yeah, that is weird. I sure wouldn't want to be called fragile either, but, you know, if the shoe fits...
 
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Initially for the Kings, the swap looked as good as it sounded.
Of course. I remember distinctly how thrilled we all were at the time.

The newcomers blocked shots, stole passes, established a physical presence. They also came cheaper and offered individual selling points. And then they stopped playing, falling victim to the all-too-familiar Kings theme: Defense wins, but around here, offense rules.
Ah yes, the fearsome 4/5 defensive duo that is Thomas/Williamson. If only Adelman had been willing to play them (they averaged a mere 51.3 combined minutes per game with us last year) they could've achieved Duncan/Robinson greatness.

How does she have a job as a journalist? I mean, without writing for The Onion?
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Alacron - I like how she conveniently left out the part about them (at least Brian Skinner) stopping playing because he had TWO JAMMED THUMBS!

I thought she was gonna go there, with the "And then they stopped playing, falling victim to the all-too-familiar Kings theme:..." comment but she sure fooled me.

;)
 
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Warhawk said:
Can we ship her to Philly so she can continue to cover her favorite "victim" for the local paper there? Please?

What did philly ever do to you?;) Siberia would be a better choice. She'd still find a way to knock Chris and RA.
 
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loopymitch said:

What did philly ever do to you?;) Siberia would be a better choice. She'd still find a way to knock Chris and RA.
Yeah, plus we already have enough haters in our media here in Philly. Cough,Stephen A. Smith,Cough.

P.S.- Now I see why you guys wanted to trade Miller for Dalembert in the question I posed in the trade thread his defense is awful. Letting Webber get that offensive rebound off the missed free throw was pathetic. He did shoot the lights out though.
 
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