Voisin: Try making sense out of this slight

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Ailene Voisin: Try making sense out of this slight



By Ailene Voisin -- Bee Columnist
Published 2:15 am PST Wednesday, February 9, 2005


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Well, at least no one will get injured (Brad Miller) or suspended (Chris Webber) or forced to subject his ailing body (Mike Bibby and Peja Stojakovic) to a two-hour flight to Denver for the weekend-long festivities.

But what a slam.

No Kings player on the NBA All-Star team? And then an ending like this?


Someone should demand a recount, or at the very least a re-enactment of that final possession.

"It's certainly disappointing that we didn't have at least one player on there," said Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie, noting the franchise will be without a representative on the Western Conference roster for the first time since 1992, "especially since we have the fifth-best record in the league."

No rewarding Webber for his three triple doubles and impressive return following major knee surgery. No appreciation of Miller's steady presence and recent statistical surge. No empathy for Peja, a three-time All-Star with decreased shot opportunities and a sore lower back. No props for Bibby, a star on the 2003 U.S. national team and one of the first selections for the 2004 Olympic team, denied yet again his first All-Star berth.

Though the quietest of Kings, Bibby should lodge the loudest complaint. This was his time, his turn. This was his prize for winning, winning often, winning when it matters most.

"Bad, this hurts bad," the seven-year veteran admitted quietly Tuesday night, frowning, his emotions still raw following his latest duel with Phoenix's Steve Nash. "I am very, very disappointed. I didn't really expect it to happen, but that doesn't make me feel any better. I better not say anything else because I just feel that bad."

So why the snub? Without an opportunity to scrutinize the voting mechanisms - in this instance, ballots cast by head coaches from each conference - one is left with the image of the full-body slam, a suggestion that the current Kings compete in a league of skeptics who (a) have become bored by their sustained regular-season success and assorted playoff disappointments, or (b) convinced they are neither as imposing nor as deserving as a year ago. And, in fact, a powerful argument can be made that these Kings, collectively and individually, are neither as formidable nor as entertaining as the bunch that stormed into the All-Star break a year ago.

Stojakovic, the league's second-leading scorer last season, is producing fewer points, fewer rebounds, fewer late-game moments. Miller, who severely sprained an ankle during last year's All-Star Game, has been at his most effective in the most recent games, Tuesday's goaltending/blocked-shot sequence notwithstanding. Webber, who was sidelined for 50 games last season because of surgery and then tagged with an eight-game league suspension for lying to a grand jury and violating the league's substance-abuse policy, remains a triple-double threat even on the nights his movements are labored. The coaches apparently are looking beyond the numbers and fixating on his occasional injury absences, or perhaps his controversial past.

But there is no excuse for excluding Bibby, unquestionably one of the game's elite point guards, whose value is measured in the sum of his seasons, not the sum total of points and assists.

"Mike drives us," Kings assistant Pete Carril said, "and since he's been here, we win. That's more important than anything else you can say. I'm sure he would like to play (in Denver), but what is he, 27? (He's 26.) He isn't dead yet."

No, but he felt like hell Tuesday night.

Before the Suns even arrived at Arco Arena for an evening of 1980s-style basketball, featuring everything from a blistering pace and a charged, emotional crowd to the multicolored headbands tossed into the stands, the Kings were bruised and bothered, and more than a little miffed. That the Suns monopolized the West's roster (Nash, Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion) was additionally bothersome. That they skipped out of the building with the slimmest of victories a few hours later? The ultimate indignity.
"People haven't said much about us this year," a subdued Kings co-owner Joe Maloof said, "and maybe that's a good thing. They're taking us for granted. That's different for us. So maybe that's what we need. Maybe we just need to get mad."

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Might make a pretty good ventriloquist with her ability to throw her voice around like that. :)

Or a pretty good lawyer with her ability to spin and twist and throw out sideways slaps at every opportunity. Actually come to think about it, she actually IS a lawyer. Or at least went through law school.
 
Though the quietest of Kings, Bibby should lodge the loudest complaint. This was his time, his turn. This was his prize for winning, winning often, winning when it matters most.

"Bad, this hurts bad," the seven-year veteran admitted quietly Tuesday night, frowning, his emotions still raw following his latest duel with Phoenix's Steve Nash. "I am very, very disappointed. I didn't really expect it to happen, but that doesn't make me feel any better. I better not say anything else because I just feel that bad."


that quote right there.. it makes me feel so frickin bad!:(
 
LMM said:
Though the quietest of Kings, Bibby should lodge the loudest complaint. This was his time, his turn. This was his prize for winning, winning often, winning when it matters most.

"Bad, this hurts bad," the seven-year veteran admitted quietly Tuesday night, frowning, his emotions still raw following his latest duel with Phoenix's Steve Nash. "I am very, very disappointed. I didn't really expect it to happen, but that doesn't make me feel any better. I better not say anything else because I just feel that bad."

that quote right there.. it makes me feel so frickin bad!:(

That just makes you feel bad for him.

Although Pete Carill does put it in somewhat of a proper perspective:
"Mike drives us," Kings assistant Pete Carril said, "and since he's been here, we win. That's more important than anything else you can say. I'm sure he would like to play (in Denver), but what is he, 27? (He's 26) He isn't dead yet."
 
i still think Kobe doesn't play Nash moves to the starting line and Mike becomes the backup PG

and if Kobe plays he's an idiot or if he doesn't and they move Steve to the starting lineup and they don't choose Mike....ooo boy...somebody better watch...
 
I said it before, if I were Mike and they invited me the second time around, I would respectfully decline. I don't want no bleeping consolation prize. I wouldn't want a "hey maybe you should have been on here too" vote.
 
i really don't think its the coaches fault that he's not on the roster...its the fans...for voting in the people they did for the starters
 
If I were Bibby, I would take the invite in a second. You never know what can happen and a chance to be in an All-Star game seems to be very important to him.

If I were Webber and they invited me, I would respectfully decline, and maybe give a hint-hint over to my boy Mike. Webber's been there before and needs his rest now, but for Bibby to make it, no matter how he does, would be a big honor.

I still consider Divac an All-Star even though he only made it due to injury.
 
See, I have too much pride--at times...ok a lot of time, to my disadvatage.

The Kings were shut out. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Nothing.

That is alreay saying a lot right there.
 
iheartBrad said:
i really don't think its the coaches fault that he's not on the roster...its the fans...for voting in the people they did for the starters

It's a little bit of both, I think.

The fans have always treated it as a "what name is really popular" type of contest. Why is bogus because there's really only 2 on each side who really belong there. It'd be nice if one day they actually picked by the position they play, not whether or not someone is listed as a guard, forward, or center. Someone like Grant Hill who is getting flak because he was voted in and not Steve Francis(for some strange reason some actually think that that was more important than no member of the Kings making the team)

As far as the coaches are concerned, they picked the players in the East correctly, even went as far as actually picking a center who *gasp* actually plays center!!!!. The West more or less rewarded the Top 3 teams, last year's MVP, a definite household name, and the best all around European player.
 
West was gonna be harder...its like that every year...but they did pick Ben Wallace in the East and put him on the roster as a Forward...even though he's on the ballot as a Center...and they TOTALLY omitted Stevie Francis...say what you want about Steve but he damn sure deserved to be on that team in the East...i was shocked when i saw he wasn't on the roster
 
Bricklayer said:
Might make a pretty good ventriloquist with her ability to throw her voice around like that. :)

Or a pretty good lawyer with her ability to spin and twist and throw out sideways slaps at every opportunity. Actually come to think about it, she actually IS a lawyer. Or at least went through law school.
I'm positive she'd be much better at either profession than her current one.
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ReinadelosReys said:
See, I have too much pride--at times...ok a lot of time, to my disadvatage.

The Kings were shut out. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Nothing.

That is alreay saying a lot right there.

For the most part I agree with you Reina, and if it were anyone else but Mike, they probably would. Just he's never been, and who knows if he'll ever go.
 
Iv'e already heard 3 guys on ESPN say it's an absolute joke that C-Webb isnt there and Rashard Lewis is.(Greg anthony, Tim Leagler, and some guy I didn't know). At least it's being pointed out we've been slighted. Mike has definately deserved it in the past which was one reason I thought he was a lock this year. I think Mike's the type of player that can use the snub to his advantage, I'm looking forward to Bibbys second half of the season.
 
iheartBrad said:
West was gonna be harder...its like that every year...but they did pick Ben Wallace in the East and put him on the roster as a Forward...even though he's on the ballot as a Center...and they TOTALLY omitted Stevie Francis...say what you want about Steve but he damn sure deserved to be on that team in the East...i was shocked when i saw he wasn't on the roster

Maybe ahead of Gilbert Arenas, but certainly not before Wade. Washington, is surprising a lot of people so they rewarded him for that.
 
well in essense...Steve's teammate Grant Hill took his spot...Arenas and Wade BOTH deserved to be there...and im glad they made it...i mean DWade was without a doubt gonna be there but im glad that the coaches didn't forget Arenas....and im happy that Jamison made it too
 
KP said:
Iv'e already heard 3 guys on ESPN say it's an absolute joke that C-Webb isnt there and Rashard Lewis is.(Greg anthony, Tim Leagler, and some guy I didn't know). At least it's being pointed out we've been slighted. Mike has definately deserved it in the past which was one reason I thought he was a lock this year. I think Mike's the type of player that can use the snub to his advantage, I'm looking forward to Bibbys second half of the season.

Last year it was Sam Cassell, this year it's Steve Nash. Does it get any worse that there is always one ahead?

Flash over substance in the case of the Rashard Lewis/Chris Webber argument. It really is a joke considering the stats between them. Chris overwhelming exceeded Lewis.
 
Elise10 said:
Last year it was Sam Cassell, this year it's Steve Nash. Does it get any worse that there is always one ahead?

Flash over substance in the case of the Rashard Lewis/Chris Webber argument. It really is a joke considering the stats between them. Chris overwhelming exceeded Lewis.
I know but they were saying not even just on #'s but also in Flash, Chris does have 3 triple doubles and more than a couple game winning shots. But hey life goes on I was just happy we got some Dap on ESPN.
 
its just interesting to think that you have the western conference...

#1 San Antonio = two allstars (Duncan/Ginobili)
#2 Phoenix Suns = three allstars (Nash/Marion/AS)
#3 Seattle Sonics = two allstars (Lewis/Allen)
#4 Sacramento Kings = zero allstars
#5 Dallas Mavs = one allstar (Dirk)

and then you got two from the Houston Rockets, one from Minnesota and one from the Lakers

that just doesn't make sense...BUT whats done is done...its just unbelievable that something like that can happen....though all the ones that coaches picked were definetly deserving but come on ya know?
 
iheartBrad said:
well in essense...Steve's teammate Grant Hill took his spot...Arenas and Wade BOTH deserved to be there...and im glad they made it...i mean DWade was without a doubt gonna be there but im glad that the coaches didn't forget Arenas....and im happy that Jamison made it too

I honestly believe that Grant Hill would have made it regardless of Francis being chosen. There is no way in the world that you cannot reward that man for being out for 4 years and coming back like he has. I'm happy the fans actually recognized that, for once ;)

Steve is Steve, he'll get his chance again, but Hill's more deserving right now.
 
i think the coaches would have picked him as an all star (Grant Hill) prolly over Ben Wallace as a Forward...TRUST ME nobody's got more love for Grant then i do..he's the happiest story in the NBA...and he's the reason i started watching bball..but i don't know if he's been deserving enough to be in the starting line up...i mean im definetly not splitting hairs over it...but Grants the reason that Steve's not there...but Steve's gonna have plenty of years to be an allstar...i he's already been an allstar once or twice i believe...so...
 
ReinadelosReys said:
See, I have too much pride--at times...ok a lot of time, to my disadvatage.

The Kings were shut out. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Nothing.

That is alreay saying a lot right there.
I agree with Reina that if Bibby is invited, I too hope he declines. I'm pretty positive that if Kobe don't go to the All Star due to injuries, David Stern will invite Bibby. He's going to have to cause no Kings made the list and Bibby's a guard. If Bibby do accept, I won't be upset cause I know he wants to go. But it's just sucks that no Kings made the list, and a All Star player is hurt (Kobe)...so you just pick the player next off the list who may be an All Star to fill in. Bibby shouldn't be the next player on the list...he should already BE in the list. At least, this is how I feel.
 
Elise10 said:
For the most part I agree with you Reina, and if it were anyone else but Mike, they probably would. Just he's never been, and who knows if he'll ever go.

^^ yeah.. 2 chances already.. last year he could've been.. and also this year..

the west guards are strong.. every year someone just has to have a "career year" and mike gets left off as the guy outside looking in.. and since i like mike, that sucks so bad..

i hope he gets in, someway somehow,sometime..

oh and the rashard vs webber? that should've been a no-brainer to the coaches.. especially if they look back on who they picked and see that no king was invited.. webb's stats are far better than rashard's..
 
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