Voisin: Palace's arena model looks fit for Kings

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Palace's arena model looks fit for the Kings

Ailene Voisin -- Bee Columnist
Published 2:15 am PDT Saturday, June 18, 2005

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. - Back in the mid-1980s, when arenas were built for less than $100 million, one of the good guys helped out the Bad Boys. Gregg Lukenbill incited the coup that produced the Palace. The Detroit Pistons might not even be here were it not for ... the Sacramento Kings.

True story.

Miracles can happen.

"We had started talking to Gregg," recalled Pistons president Tom Wilson, referring to the Kings' original Sacramento owner. "He actually made a presentation to the Board of Governors. 'Here's what I'm doing. We're still in the warehouse I built for $10 million, and this new one is going to be a newer version (which cost approximately $40 million).' And nobody was building any buildings at that time. But he said it could be serviceable for concerts, for other entertainment areas, and more than anything else, he would own the building. So (Pistons owner) Bill Davidson and I started talking."

That conversation concluded with the Pistons moving from the Pontiac Silverdome into their current home, a 22,076-seat arena that remains a physically stunning yet functional facility that was built for the ages. While virtually all of their contemporaries have become obsolete - those in Orlando, Milwaukee and Sacramento were completed within months of the Palace's final touches in 1988 - Davidson's privately financed project cost more ($90 million) but was worth the investment. An annual face-lift enables the place to retain its sheen. The interior is spacious without being a monstrosity. The concourses are inviting, the press accommodations exceptional, the parking abundant.

So, OK, the visitors locker room is cramped, and the location is shaky. Situated on 61.1 acres approximately 30 miles north of downtown, the only hint the Pistons actually represent Detroit is the interstate exit sign for 8-Mile Road. (Think Eminem). Nonetheless, the last of the NBA's suburban arenas works for the Pistons. They pack the place, they make money, they win titles.

So how about a belated thank-you card to the Kings? Given the inability of their ownership, the city and county, and every other source of public and private leadership, for that matter, to facilitate what obviously requires a creative, collaborative effort, it's time for the Pistons' brain trusts to return the favor. Offer suggestions. Lend an assist. Recommend a shrink if it would bring the parties together - and accelerate the process.

Motivate, encourage, enlighten us.

Build us an arena.

Wilson, who is responsible for arena-related issues and has been the 80-year-old Davidson's most significant management employee for decades, obliged Friday, offering his thoughts during an expansive late-afternoon chat:

* On the viability of private financing in an era when building costs generally range from $225 million to $400 million: "Mr. D is one of those people who says, 'I want to solve my own problems. I don't want to go through boards, through committees. I'll get my zoning permits, but I don't want to be beholden to anyone.' When you do a partnership, everything is a debate. But (today), it makes sense to have a public-private partnership. The city gets certain value from it, so they have to put some money up. And you have to expect ownership to put something in."

* On location: "When the roof caved in at the (north suburban) Silverdome, we had 12 games left, and people were saying, 'Come back downtown.' And we realized when we went down there (Joe Louis Arena), that's where basketball belonged. It was electric. Sometimes, even I look, and I wonder why we're here. But there were political problems. We couldn't get anything done. And it goes back to Davidson's core values. 'Leave me alone. I'll build something the fans will love, that everybody will be proud of, but leave me alone.' Most of our fans lived up here, too."

* On how to energize a stagnant post-Bad Boys fan base: "Even the years we had Grant Hill, we were losing in the first round. The city was totally apathetic. We had an awful lot of tickets left when the Hawks came in. It takes about three years when you've been real good to lose it all. People find other things to do. I used to look on Sacramento with such envy ... people going crazy every game. I thought, 'Boy, it's never going to happen here.' But four to five years ago, when we started our 'going to work' campaign, getting players here who exemplified what the city was about - hard work, overachieving people - it resonated with so many people."

* On the price of a facility: "By virtue of being the only game in town, a new arena in Sacramento doesn't have to be Staples Center. But you don't want a building that handicaps you. It's important to build something that the city, the fans, and the players are proud of. That all goes into players making decisions (to sign)."

* On his parting words about the Kings/Sacramento situation: "You can't let (the Kings) go. There isn't an easy solution, but sometimes a city just has to decide to do something. To a great degree, professional sports legitimizes a city. To Joe fan, Sacramento wasn't a city until the Kings moved there. If they lose them, to a large segment of the (national and international) population, Sacramento disappears off the map. If I'm looking in from a few thousand miles away, you would ask, 'How much can I get the owners to put in? How much can I get the city/county to put in?' and you find something that works."

Palace at a glance
  • Constructed for $90 million in 1988.
  • Home to the NBA's Pistons and the WNBA’s Shock.
  • Financed by Pistons/Shock/Tampa Bay Lightning owner William Davidson.
  • Capacity of 22,076 for basketball, 20,804 for hockey.
  • Hosts 200 events annually.
  • Includes 180 club suites.
About the writer: Reach Ailene Voisin at (916) 321-1208 or avoisin@sacbee.com.
 
VF21 said:
* On his parting words about the Kings/Sacramento situation: "You can't let (the Kings) go. There isn't an easy solution, but sometimes a city just has to decide to do something. To a great degree, professional sports legitimizes a city. To Joe fan, Sacramento wasn't a city until the Kings moved there. If they lose them, to a large segment of the (national and international) population, Sacramento disappears off the map. If I'm looking in from a few thousand miles away, you would ask, 'How much can I get the owners to put in? How much can I get the city/county to put in?' and you find something that works."

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She actually printed something meaningful. Too bad it wasn't from her mouth.
 
Ailene Voisin is completely competent and capable of writing good articles. Her problem is she cannot avoid taking potshots at either Rick Adelman or Chris Webber. She has consistently supported the idea of the new arena and actually written a number of very good articles about it.

That's what is so frustrating. She can be an excellent source of information for those of us interested in these kinds of things. It's just when her blinding hatred of Webber and Adelman distorts her judgment that her bias becomes unacceptable. I am truly surprised her editor hasn't told her to at least rein it in as far as Webber is concerned.

She got some interesting comments from Davidson and she reported them factually, without hidden agenda, etc. I just wish she could do that all the time.
 
Like most women, Aielen seems to lean towards the emotional with respect to her passionate comments about Web and Adelman, wouldn't you say? Only, how different is that than all the passion displayed here FOR Web and Adelman? ;)

Just a different take. I like her. And her stuff is mostly solid when it doesn't involve emotional opinions about Kings, but it is her right to say what she wants. AND she gets paid for it, damn her!

:)
 
albeitrue said:
Like most women, Aielen seems to lean towards the emotional with respect to her passionate comments about Web and Adelman, wouldn't you say? Only, how different is that than all the passion displayed here FOR Web and Adelman? ;)

Just a different take. I like her. And her stuff is mostly solid when it doesn't involve emotional opinions about Kings, but it is her right to say what she wants. AND she gets paid for it, damn her!

:)

Oh, you didn't just say that...

Ailene Voisin is a professional journalist. Her gender should not enter into anything she writes as a sports writer unless she's writing from a specific point of view. She's also short, but that shouldn't enter into her writing either.
 
VF21 said:
She's also short, but that shouldn't enter into her writing either.
LOL, I should think there is a vast difference between being short and being a woman...My point WAS I welcome her takes, even if they are said out of spite or emotion, it's still her right to say them. In my book her sheer womanness means I accept what she says as from emotion at times, rather than pure logic. Not that I want to have a discussion about emotion vs. logic, oh no no no...but, VIVA LA DIFFERANCE, baby!
 
Back to the topic at hand:

Pistons president Tom Wilson (not Davison, as I misstated earlier), quoted by Voisin, made a couple of good points I'm really hoping someone out there will latch onto. Besides the one already quoted, I think this one is worth thinking about:

"By virtue of being the only game in town, a new arena in Sacramento doesn't have to be Staples Center. But you don't want a building that handicaps you. It's important to build something that the city, the fans, and the players are proud of. That all goes into players making decisions (to sign)."

The upgrades made to the Palace aren't feasible for Arco, from what I understand, so we're looking at a new arena. I would hope the designers are already considering alternatives. And I hope they talk the time to talk to people who have "been there and done that."
 
I will say, however, that the Palace is a NICE arena. Been there many times...twice for Kings games, er, Pistons games? ;) ...It's a nice place. Sacramento would benefit GREATLY if we could get an arena like that. (I live in the Auburn Hills area now, but I'm still a Sacramentan...)
 
albeitrue said:
In my book her sheer womanness means I accept what she says as from emotion at times, rather than pure logic.

One should not confuse "womanness" and bitchiness. One is only an attractive or acceptable trait if you have four legs and fur. Conflating the two is jsut an excuse for pathetic behavior no matter your genitalia.
 
VF21 said:
Ailene Voisin is completely competent and capable of writing good articles. Her problem is she cannot avoid taking potshots at either Rick Adelman or Chris Webber. ... It's just when her blinding hatred of Webber and Adelman distorts her judgment that her bias becomes unacceptable.

I very much dislike Aileen, and I think your post here is contradictory VF.

The inability to overcome bias is a fatal flaw for a would-be journalist. It's like saying a guy is a great jumper except he can't jump very high. "Completely competent with personal biases she can't or won't overcome" is an oxymoron imho.

Anyway - it is moot to me because I can't stand her style anyway. I think she's a dreadful writer, tedious to read.
 
albeitrue said:
Like most women, Aielen seems to lean towards the emotional with respect to her passionate comments about Web and Adelman, wouldn't you say? Only, how different is that than all the passion displayed here FOR Web and Adelman? ;)

albeitrue said:
My point WAS I welcome her takes, even if they are said out of spite or emotion, it's still her right to say them. In my book her sheer womanness means I accept what she says as from emotion at times, rather than pure logic. Not that I want to have a discussion about emotion vs. logic, oh no no no...but, VIVA LA DIFFERANCE, baby!

Um.....what?!

You accept the things she says out of "spite or emotion" because she's a woman and incapable of being logical and unbiased -- am I reading this right?

Wow. I mean, wow!

Your ability to tolerate silly, emotional women is quite heart warming and something that should be commended.

Really.

I'm almost jealous. I'm afraid that my insistance on journalistic integrity, regardless of gender, might be hindering my ability to enjoy the fervor with which Ms. Voison emotionally and spitefully goes after her prey. I'll try, in the future, to just sit back and observe the female species in all its catty glory.

To think, I've been missing the big picture for so long. Its quite sad.
 
Good Article. Hope someone important is reading it.


OK, I'll bite.


For what it is worth, pure and alleged emotions aside, I think women tend to be more pragmatic than men. It's called the instinct for survival.
 
Francisco d'Anconia said:
I very much dislike Aileen, and I think your post here is contradictory VF.

The inability to overcome bias is a fatal flaw for a would-be journalist. It's like saying a guy is a great jumper except he can't jump very high. "Completely competent with personal biases she can't or won't overcome" is an oxymoron imho.

Anyway - it is moot to me because I can't stand her style anyway. I think she's a dreadful writer, tedious to read.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. If you're going to quote me, however, I would greatly appreciate it if you took my comments accurately and in context.

I said:

Ailene Voisin is completely competent and capable of writing good articles. Her problem is she cannot avoid taking potshots at either Rick Adelman or Chris Webber...

That's what is so frustrating... It's just when her blinding hatred of Webber and Adelman distorts her judgment that her bias becomes unacceptable. I am truly surprised her editor hasn't told her to at least rein it in as far as Webber is concerned.

I did NOT say "Completely competent with personal biases she can't or won't overcome."

Ailene Voisin is completely competent - meaning she has sufficient abilities to do her job. Unfortunately, she also has an overwhelming compulsion towards taking potshots at Rick Adelman and Chris Webber. Someone who isn't aware of that bias can be taken in - the first 5 or 10 times. It is now getting to the point where her non-Kings articles are being polluted by her compulsion.

You are the one who used the "can't or won't overcome" phrase, not I. I was referring to her inclusion of a jab at Adelman and Webber EVEN IN ARTICLES not related to the Kings. That's when her personal bias becomes so glaring it is no longer even justifiable.
 
With all due respect - you're splitting hairs.

"can't or won't overcome" versus her refusal thusfar to eliminate this bias from her writing.... what is the REAL difference? My use of quotes was not meant to imply I was quoting you - it was just a universal quote I was using to cluster words together - to point out the contradiction within that thought.

No matter - I dislike her writing anyway and don't consider her "completely competent" any more than your average 8th grader is "completely competent" - and that is just a matter of different tastes.

Sorry - once again I have tried to outreach my own grammatical training and failed... undermining my own point. :-)
 
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